New 2021 Morgan and Peace Dollar and 2021 American Eagle Release Information

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2021 Morgan Silver Dollar - Obverse
2021 Morgan Silver Dollar – Obverse

The United States Mint announced new pre-order dates and lower household limits for the four remaining 2021 silver dollars which celebrate the 100th anniversary of the production transition from Morgan dollars to Peace dollars.

Their original pre-order windows in June were postponed as a result of ordering issues that happened when the first two dollars sold out on May 24. The U.S. Mint will now begin taking orders for the four remaining silver dollars on Aug. 3 and Aug. 10.

In addition, household limits for each dollar product have been reduced to three from ten.

The Mint also announced new release dates and limits for the newly redesigned 2021 Proof American Gold Eagles and 2021 Proof American Silver Eagles.

The U.S. Mint’s entire statement follows:

Mint Announces New Morgan & Peace Pre-Order Dates to Address BOT Traffic
New Eagle Silver & Gold Launch First; Household Order Limits Revised

During the initial pre-order window for the Morgan & Peace Dollars, the Mint experienced an extraordinarily high volume of BOT traffic. These BOTs were programmed to conduct technology-driven transactions which caused significant interference with many transactions by Mint customers.

To address the issue, the Mint paused the pre-order windows for the remaining Morgan and Peace products until the BOT issues could be resolved. The Mint has now identified a solution that we expect will mitigate most of the issues caused by BOT traffic. Although we are working diligently to put that solution in place, the launch dates for American Eagle Silver and Gold Coins will also be affected. To further increase the opportunity to purchase these high demand products, the Mint will also adjust the household order limits for the new American Eagle Silver and Gold Coins and the remaining Morgan and Peace silver dollars. While these steps will mitigate the impact of BOT traffic and improve overall access to these very popular products, the supply of silver still limits the U.S. Mint’s ability to completely satisfy demand. As a result, not everyone will be able to purchase the coins of their choice.

The revised launch schedules are presented below. Please note the decision to move the American Eagle Silver and Gold product launches ahead of the remaining Morgan and Peace pre-order windows. This decision was based on the Morgan and Peace products’ unavailability to ship until October. Moving up the American Eagle products creates the least disruption for our customers. Our intent is to greatly improve on our ability to deliver the utmost positive U.S. Mint experience that our customers deserve.

The launch dates for the newly-redesigned American Eagle Silver and Gold Coins are as follows:

  • American Eagle SILVER PROOF COIN – W (21EAN), originally scheduled to go on sale 7/1, will now go on sale 7/20
  • American Eagle GOLD PROOF 1 OZ (21EBN), GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ (21ECN), GOLD PROOF 1/4 OZ. (21EDN), GOLD PROOF 1/10 OZ. (21EEN), and GOLD PROOF 4-COIN SET (21EFN), originally scheduled to go on sale 7/8, will now go on sale 7/29
  • American Eagle GOLD PROOF 1/10 OZ 2-COIN SET (NUMBERED COA) (21XK), originally scheduled to go on sale 7/29 will now go on sale 8/5
  • American Eagle SILVER PROOF COIN – S (21EMN), on sale date was moved up from 8/16 to 8/12

The pre-order windows for the remaining Morgan and Peace silver dollars are as follows:

  • Morgan Dollars – SF and D (21XF, 21XG) order window is now 8/3 – 8/17
  • Morgan Dollar Philly and Peace Dollar (21XE, 21XH) order window is now 8/10 – 8/24

The updated HHOL are as follows:

  • American Eagle SILVER PROOF COIN (W) – New Design – 21EAN, HHOL = 3
  • American Eagle GOLD PROOF 1/10 OZ 2-COIN SET (NUMBERED COA) – 21XK, HHOL = 1
  • American Eagle SILVER PROOF COIN (S) – 21EMN, HHOL= 3
  • American Eagle SILVER UNCIRCULATED (W) – 21EGN- HHOL = 3
  • Morgan Dollar (SF) – 21XF, HHOL = 3
  • Morgan Dollar (D) – 21XG, HHOL = 3
  • Morgan Dollar Philly – 21XE, HHOL = 3
  • Peace Dollar – 21XH, HHOL = 3

 

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Tim

Give them a little credit, the US Mint is trying to be more fair about distribution of these popular coins. But they fail to mention any new limitations or restrictions of the bulk purchase program set aside for dealers.

The supply of silver still limits the U.S. Mint’s ability to completely satisfy demand. As a result, not everyone will be able to purchase the coins of their choice.
Good luck getting these for your collections.

Seth Riesling

Tim –

I agree with you. This seems about as fair as the Mint is going to get – (but a 1-coin household limit on first day of issue would be better). Hope for the best luck!

NumisdudeTX

Kaiser Wilhelm

The one coin limit should be in place for every highly desirable Mint product.

Mike Hunt

Kaiser — I’m with you on the “one coin limit” thing and was disappointed as to why they only backed it off to 3. But thinking back on it, when my only 2 children (now in their mid-40s) were essentially babies, I used to order 3 of everything in the HOPE that they would want to enjoy coin collecting like me. But it became very apparent when they entered their teens, and especially now, that they could care less. So I dropped all of my orders down to 1. That said, my hope for this 3 limit is that some… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Mike, I understand the wish to pass something that is of meaning and value to you on to your children as I have three (all in their mid-forties) myself. That being said, and while I am most certainly a life-long optimist also, from observations of the phenomenon of family inheritance in its many variations I think that although it is quite simple to gift your offspring with collectable (and possibly valuable) items, exactly what they will desire, if anything, to do with them is an entirely different story. I’m content to enjoy my collection as long as I’m alive and… Read more »

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Daniel

That’s funny. I’m in my mid-forties doing the same for my two children. My son might find a passion, but my daughter certainly won’t. But … things need to be equal.

That said, when I told my toolmaker father that I was going to buy a lathe as I now have an interest in turning metal, he chastised me:
”Don’t do that! You will have mine when I die”.
Yeah … well, I don’t really want to be in limbo waiting for someone to die to see whether I have a passion for it.

Kaiser Wilhelm

My three kids are roughly your age, Daniel, and since they haven’t indicated the slightest interest in collecting anything to this day I’m not about to start holding my breath now. My five grandchildren (ages seven to fourteen) haven’t shown any inclination in that direction either, so it appears my collection will remain mine until it’s not. End of story.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Alternatively, I could arrange for a major auction house to publish notice of the once in a lifetime opportunity to acquire the singular numismatic masterpieces comprising the “Kaiser Wilhelm Collection”. The provenance alone would be more than sufficient to guarantee the sale of this majestic assemblage to be a record-setting event.

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c_q

why can’t they just make coins for me if I send them a lump of silver to make it from? it really can’t be the inability to find silver that is a constraint. they aren’t going to ship til october, so there’s time to melt my silver down.

and yes 3 is better than 10 which was better than 25, but 1 would have been better, at least for the first 24 hours.

Kaiser Wilhelm

And then, c_q, there are those very early coins that didn’t make it all that far beyond being more than their original lump of silver.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

The Bulk Purchase Program seems set in stone; I doubt there’s hope of relief there.

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John Wigginton

I think the pre sales orders should be for loyal US Mint customers that have had a mint account with a purchase history for some time to be eligible to make orders prior to release to the general public and the bulk purchaser’s. I have been buying many coins from the mint for years and I want the chance of buying at least one each of the new Morgans and the peace dollars. I like the limit of ten per household though I am only trying to buy three of each one. With the sale out of the first Morgans… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

The unfortunate reality of the situation, John, is that the Mint doesn’t make any distinction between long time or first time buyers, nor does it differentiate between individual collectors and huge coin resellers. It’s all a matter of first come, first serve, and that means whoever has the most bots, paid buyers, and/or buying clubs working for them will inevitably scoop up the most coins, and the higher the Household Order Limit the faster and hence the more efficiently these surrogate purchasing entities – and the multitudes of dedicated independent flippers who are also always involved in this process –… Read more »

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Roger

Mint still fearful of alienating the dealers by lowering the household limit to one coin. One would think that the 10% bulk purchase for dealers would suffice.

Seth Riesling

Roger –

You are right in suggesting basically that the bulk program for such limited edition coins should be discontinued. It is patently unfair!
Good Luck to you on first day of issue!

NumisdudeTX

Kaiser Wilhelm

Seth, what with all the existential and otherwise fear and loathing that many of us have been conditioned to experience when dealing with the men behind the curtain at the Mint, perhaps it’s time for an old favorite to lift our spirits at least a little bit.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

The dealers never have enough to their liking; that’s why they let the BOTS run amok.

Chris

I’m not sure there telling the whole story. I can buy plenty of silver from the British Royal mint website silver bullion with no issue. What’s the problem with the us mint?

domenic

“What’s the problem with the us mint?”…surely a loaded question! At least they lowered the house hold limits….now we shall see on ordering day!

Seth Riesling

Chris –

No other Mint in the world has this problem with silver! Only the U.S. Mint seems to have problems getting silver blank planchets. The head of the bullion division at Perth Mint Australia said recently that there is no silver shortage for them & they produce coins & ingots in silver. The U.S. Mint is very mismanaged & blames supply chains for its problems in bad management by U.S. Mint Director David J. Ryder!

NumisdudeTX

Kaiser Wilhelm

Ever since that Director came on board the Mint has gone downhill; ’nuff said.

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Rich

Exactly Sir Wilhelm. The Director of the United States Mint is a presidential appointment that requires a Senate confirmation. David J. Ryder became director in April 2018 and commencing in 2019, all the unwarranted, inexcusable problems encountered over the past 3 years began.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Not to beat a tired old drum even further to death, Rich, but we all know who appointed him to his position at the Mint and the all-around nightmare that individual landed us in and has left us to deal with. Ryder is a rather unfortunate legacy and just one of many examples of lasting collateral damage courtesy of a calamitous national stewardship, and we will all be paying the price for this catastrophe a long time.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

I’ve read that bullion sales trump collector coins; that accounts for the silver shortage.

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domenic

Did anyone else catch this.on the Morgans….
Mintage Limit: –
Product Limit: 175,000
Household Order Limit: 3

So mintage limit is now open???

Seth Riesling

domenic –

That has been listed that way on the Mintage Limit as a dash (-) on the Mint’s website since they first listed these silver dollars. I think they were planning on issuing a set of 6 coins (1 of each), but who knows what they are up to the way they operate in total disarray!

NumisdudeTX

Kaiser Wilhelm

Seth, wouldn’t it be great if the Mint closed out the year with an authentic holiday bang by issuing a complete 288 Coin Extra Super Quadruple Deluxe Set of the 5 Morgans and 1 Peace Dollar from each of the four Mint Branches in the Uncirculated, Enhanced Uncirculated, Proof, Reverse Proof, Enhanced Reverse Proof, Ultra High Relief, Convex, Piedfort, Satin Finish, Colorized, Night Glow and Santa’s Sled Privy Mark versions. What a fabulous numismatic coup that would be, and so very reasonably priced at a paltry $25,000 each (faux leather footlocker included), and all of that with an unusually generous… Read more »

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Only Product Limit matters for any single item. Mintage Limit includes ancillary products.

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Carl Warren

While I won’t be trying to get any of the Morgan’s, I will try and get the Peace dollar. May be an exercise in futility though given the Mint’s track record.

I am concerned that they lowered the household limit on the ASE’s. I’ve been enrolled for 6 each of the West Point and San Fran proofs the past few years. 1 for me and 1 for each of my grandkids. Maybe the limit doesn’t apply to the enrollments (I can only hope, right?). 

jwp

I have active enrollment for all 3 ASE issues, But when I called the Mint this morning they said that no enrollments will be honored on the these coins (w-proof/S-proof/W-unc). Hope they are wrong. I will only know the day before or the morning of the oder date. If i get a confirmation email prior to 12 noon – i guess customer service was wrong on the enrollment cancellations.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Unless the Mint changed its plan, they meant no new Enrollments will be honored.

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jwp

Why don’t you just call and see what they tell you. They told me they were cancelled. If I don’t get an email confirmation prior to 12 noon that day, I’ll have no choice but to scramble to try and get the coin. I hope you are right and customer service is wrong.

Kaiser Wilhelm

From experience the Mint’s Customer Service is that whatever they tell you is like asking an astrologer about astronomy, an exercise in futility.

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Rich

… or like asking a cosmetologist about climatology. I have verified product enrollments for all three 2021 Type 2 American Silver Eagles (W-proof, S-proof and W-uncirculated). I have since spoken with two Mint customer service representatives: one said the Mint will not be fulfilling the upcoming 2021 American Eagle Silver Coin enrollments based on a recent decision by mint officials (because of limited product availability/mintage); the other representative said that the enrollments will be honored and fulfilled as advertised. I have now asked to speak with a higher ranking customer service supervisor about this matter. I am waiting for them… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

My personal experience with regard to promised call-backs, Rich, is that there is a much greater likelihood of hades freezing over long before anyone at the Mint ever deigns to call back in response to anything.

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jwp

HELL Michigan freezes over multiple times each year. Maybe you need to check it out.

Kaiser Wilhelm

I was a MSU-Justin Morrill College Class of 1969 Spartan (the Bubba Smith era), jwp, so you could say I’m acquainted with cold weather Michigan. FYI, Justin Morrill College existed from 1965 to 1979 and the 400 of us there the first year lived in Snyder-Philipps, the oldest dorm at Michigan State. The photo below is from 1971, six years later.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Rich, I guess they can only tell you what they’ve been told, unless each rep is equipped with the very latest device to help answer questions.

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Richard Margolis

I called the mint yesterday and they said that the current enrollments are valid

domenic

This is the response i got from mint on june 16th…….. We show you have three active enrollments order for the following: Silver Proof Set, American Eagle Silver Once Ounce Proof coin (S) and the American Innovation coins. The American Eagle Silver Once Ounce Proof coin (S) coins are due to be released August 16, 2021 at 12pm (EST) once this enrollment order is processed you will received a email notification regarding the shipping details and tracking information.   The enrollment order for the 2021 American Eagle Silver Once Ounce Proof coin (W) and uncirculated coins are currently unavailable. Demand… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

I find myself rather perplexed, domenic, by all that apparently contrary “information” the Mint’s customer service department provided you with. According to the Mint’s own website as of today, June 27, the Release Dates for the three 2021-Type 2 American Silver Eagle varieties are as follows: West Point Proof ASE – July 20; San Francisco Proof ASE – August 12; West Point Uncirculated ASE – September 9. As to the Enrollment situation, those Enrollments for each of the three ASEs that were in place prior to the announced capping of same remain valid up to a maximum number of 3… Read more »

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Kaiser Wilhelm

The HHOL does apply to Enrollments, and for these it is 3. If your Enrollment Total per each ASE is below 3, you can’t add to it. Also, no new Enrollments are being accepted.

Kaiser Wilhelm

The Household Order Limit does apply to the Enrollments also, Carl. Whatever number of coins are over the 3 coin limit on the Enrollments will be vacated by the Mint.

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Howard Falchick

The scalpers are selling the first 2 Morgans for like $900 each. Why don’t you mint more of them and allow each order to be just 1 each house hold. This will make up for the May 24th fiasco. I was one of the people who had my order in, but then you killed it.

Robert

Since there was such an issue with ordering will the first two Morgan’s 2021 be able to be order for us who didn’t get in?

Will Watt

I would like to have one of each dollar.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Howard, Robert & Will: Those first two Morgan Dollars are gone for good. Hopefully all of you will have much better luck with the next three of those and with the Peace Dollar!

Mike Petraitis

The people at the US mint do not know what kind of answers to give you . I had my enrollment for the silver proof coin for over a month now I called the US mint to make sure everything is fine with it and they told me they will not honor the enrollment plan. A few hours later a friend called them asked the same question and told her yes the enrollment plan is still good but only limited to three to a customer. So tell me this they had two different answers and they say they got the… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Much as I hate to say it, I think your prediction of Mint chaos is right on the money.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

This photo of the Mint order preparation room shows the high level of organization.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Oh boy, seems I should be working there too as I forgot to attach it above!

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Ray Tope

When will the coins become available?

Tom

Scheduled dates are Aug3 (D and S) and Aug 10 (‘P’ and Peace)

Seth Riesling

The Mint has always said, even before the first day of issue of these coins, that these silver dollars will not ship till sometime in October, unless they have a production schedule change.

NumisdudeTX

Steve

I see all the pre-sales on ebay for the morgan dollars. If these aren’t shipping until October how do they get around the 30 day policy set by ebay. I always thought that the item had to be delivered within 30 days. Has that policy changed, just curious.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Pre-sales are like saying “the check’s in the mail”; don’t believe it until you get it.

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Te Wa

Good question.

Can we cancel the sale if we don’t receive a coin in that time period?

Kaiser Wilhelm

I just have to ask. Are you really willing to buy one of these coins at a 1,000% markup?

Kaiser Wilhelm

Just in case anyone missed the Mint’s newsletter today, here are the ASE obverse redesigns. Pictured on the left is the original Type 1, on the right is the new Type 2.

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Daniel

I’ve played this game before

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Pam, while very personable and quite attractive, has definitely been working at Dunder Mifflin too long. She might also be overdue for her annual eye exam.

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Jake

BOT traffic is total fake news! The mint can’t mask up, wash their hands, and pass the blame fast enough. They don’t get credit they get another E for effort. The silver shortage is so overplayed. Next thing you know there will be a Coin Virus that affects the Mints clearly outdated servers. Hey Mr. Ryder maybe spend a little money on some “infrastructure” and get some new battery powered modems in that dump.

Steve

When the next 2 Morgan’s become available why do they both have to come out on the same day, it’s hard enough getting one. Can’t they space them out so it’s one at a time. Everything has to be so difficult for the average collector unlike the chosen few that have zero problems getting them. If the program has to continue why not cut their limit to 3% of the total minted. 10% is absolutely outrageous!

Jake

I try not to let the Wizards bother me, they are pure genius. Let’s be honest it all comes down to the roll of the die. I’m still on track for the best 2021 collection I have ever owned and its NFS

Jake

I definitely recommend the enrollment options. I’ve got the AE, all set at the max 3 limit. If that program starts to fail, there is a real problem

Kaiser Wilhelm

That’s how I’ve got myself set up. Of course, if the Mint pulls the not impossible or unthinkable stunt of voiding all enrollments at the last minute, we’ll be thrown into the fray with everyone else. You and I know what in all likelihood our chance of success becomes then.

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Carl Warren

if the unthinkable happens we’ll have 2 chances – Zero and None

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Carl Warren

Especially with the product limits set at 300K for the W-mint proof, 200K for the S-mint proof, and 175K for W-mint unc

Kaiser Wilhelm

I can already hear the berserkly buying buzz saws of Mezack, Coin Vault, Apmex and dozens of similar assorted flippers, shysters and snake oil salesmen roaring through every one of those 675K coins like they were made of hot butter. Nothing more to see here; move along.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Don’t forget Far Below Zero and Less Than None. Ayup.

Kaiser Wilhelm

I think you’re right, Jake, that a lot if not all of the Mint’s alleged BOT fixation is just typical smoke and mirrors. Let’s face it, even if they succeeded in making the Mint’s website completely BOT-proof, the usual suspects, i.e. the legions of compensated surrogate buyers and assorted organized flippers of all stripes and colors would still be able to pounce and grab just about everything in sight (or on the site) before the individual collector could even hit “buy”. And so it goes.

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Jake

Yeah, I just dont buy the BOT traffic excuse, it’s too easy of an escape for them to just get off and move on to the next great release. We shouldn’t believe an entity of the treasury would be that inept in providing fair and equal access to the collectors over flippers, in today’s age, that may be racist. If the servers are that bad, then put off every future sale until it’s fixed. Allow enrollments for every release, if it’s a limited release, than it should be prepay for registered customers and first come first serve. We know that… Read more »

Lonnie

May I ask what do all of you complainers want? I think you want it your way and if you do go to Burger King cause if you do that is the only place your going to get it.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Lonnie, why even bother asking what all we complainers want if you already know the answer? Besides, saying “you want it your way” basically defines the human condition; do you really believe that anybody on earth doesn’t want it their way? As to Burger King, once they get into the business of selling numismatic coinage we’ll all be more than willing to line up at the take-out window. Happy collecting!

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Jake, I knew I wasn’t the only one to want enrollments applied to every Mint coin release. I’m so glad you brought that idea into the open; it’s about time somebody put forth the single best way to solve our coin purchase problems.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Just out of plain old curiosity, what makes it so unbelievably difficult to purchase a coin when on the other hand it is relatively so much easier to buy something, for example, like a gun? Go figure.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

To be perfectly clear and to avoid having anyone jump to a mistaken conclusion, the preceding example was purely for comparative purposes. I could just as well have used cars, diamond rings or golf clubs as the contrasting purchase, it’s all the same to me.

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Daniel

Well the mint is following the DeBeers diamond model of controlling the supply, to artificially inflate the value of an item.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Damn good point, Daniel. However, I do feel it’s imperative to point out that the Mint only began using this shrewd marketing technique relatively recently and is doing so with what are in fact authentically precious commodities. On the other hand the men behind the curtain at DeBeers started their own much more farcical version of that routine a very long time ago when they figured out exactly how to drum up a huge amount of artificial demand for an exceedingly plentiful and as such intrinsically worthless product.

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Jake

Lonnie would say but I havent been to McDonald’s, so what’s your point. =)

Kaiser Wilhelm

I would point out to Lonnie, who of course has as much right to having it his way as anyone else does, that McDonald’s would not want to be left in the dust by rival chain Burger Coin. Consequently, the former would rename themselves McCollector’s and offer the Double Morgan with Peace Dollar topping in a transparent gluten-free holder, graded 69 minimum or your money back. How can he not be happy with that, Jake!

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Jake

Yup lol and if he isnt happy I’d ask why are you complaining so much Lonnie?

Kaiser Wilhelm

Jake, have you noticed something funny/peculiar about these (clearly very unhappy with us here) characters who pop their heads in to criticize, castigate and/or otherwise lambaste our comments and even us personally? These expressions of rancor are literally the only occasion on which they ever appear on the site; they otherwise never leave any sort of substantive much less positive contributions to a thread in progress. I have to assume they are simply perpetual malcontents who quite likely engage in this sort of hit-and-run theater at many different online locations, leaving their sour taste behind everywhere they go. Sheesh.

Jake

Very true, I was going to say it must be Mike “joker of coins”, the go getter from the HSN, with a Lonnie mask on 🙂

Kaiser Wilhelm

A Lonnie mask; brilliant,,,I love that! It’s definitely a possibility, Jake, that our “secret intruder” might possibly be good old Mike “Buy These Coins From Me That I Stole Right Out From Under You At The Mint But Now For Quadruple Or More Of Their Original Price” Mezack. He could in fact even be enhancing his already notoriously substantial ill-gotten gains by moonlighting for the folks at Burger King as their celebrity endorsement “Monarch”. After all, he did try to steer us their way.

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Coinman

Kaiser, Please refer to Mike’s proper name as: Mike “Not Enough Coins” Mezack. It’s much more apt and realistic. Must be all the grandpas and grandmas watching his same old stik on the weekends that keep him in business. What a bag of hot air he is.

Matt

Hey finally a story about the for lack of better words.. the major traffic jams at the mint when launching a highly desirable coin…it’s the BOT’s.. so someone who is a computer type expert can probably set up numerous programs to put in order for the coins.. and there is not a human doing the transaction.. 65 years old.. out of my pay range..

Kaiser Wilhelm

And along that line, Matt, it’s clear that no human can keep up with the likes of a computer-generated program. The Mint has to keep its word to completely banish the BOTS, especially since there won’t ever the possibility of any of us individual collectors “outrunning” the electronic purchasing robots clogging up and churning through the Mint’s website on Coin Release Days.

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Daniel

I looked into it Matt, and crunched the numbers for the Morgan re-release. I came to the conclusion that if you are only buying for yourself, and not looking to flip coins for profit, then paying for the licensing of a bot, servers, VPN servers, the fact that there needs to be a level of testing involved (there are no off-the-shelf bots for usmint.gov), and the fact a you might not be successful … or busted … it really doesn’t add up. unfortunately if you aren’t successful, my advice if you just want a coin for yourself (as much as… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Daniel, I understand the basic point in your advice to Matt regarding the acquisition of the Morgan (and Peace, I assume) Dollars, since if you really want that coin or coins this may be the only way to acquire it/them. Granted, if someone can bring themselves to do that, then more power to them. My own resistance to that solution is more a matter of principle than strictly one of finances, although I admit the latter component would carry some weight in my decision-making also.

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Rooster

Looking forward to receiving the new type 2 silver proof eagles. Undecided on the gold coins for now.

Kaiser Wilhelm

As am I, Rooster, and very much so. If the Mint keeps its promise, three of those beauties will be on their way to me on Release Day thanks to the Enrollment Program.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

I’m in the exact same frame of mind regarding the gold coins. I have to decide between now and when they go on sale precisely how much they’re worth to me.

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Rooster

Don’t like these new prices but damn I sure like this design.

Kaiser Wilhelm

That’s a great new image on the reverse of the 2021-Type 2 ASE One Ounce Silver Coin, Rooster. I also like the rather subtle but still noticeable changes the Mint made to restore the obverse.
As for the higher prices, that’s something we just have to get used to.

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Rooster

I don’t like the missing reed or notch in rim. Like a gear with a broken cog.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Can’t say I picked up on that, Rooster. What I do like especially though is the year in bolder numbers and the original sculptor’s initial mark.

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Rooster

It would be nice to get one or more without the “notch”. That would make for an interesting error coin.

Rooster

Awesome! Just in in a holding pattern and hopeful they come through. 35 years of a run of the most popular coin coming to an end. Birth of a new one.

Kaiser Wilhelm

I have found that change is both difficult and necessary, and while it’s important to accept the former it’s imperative to fully embrace the latter.

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Kyle

Ebay just ended the listing for the CC coin I had listed because of concerns from the “brand owners”. Said concerns of conterfit or unauthenticated items.

Rooster

If they mean the us mint as “brand owners” then who could you trust?

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rooster, it seems what Kyle is telling us here is that the U.S. Mint has voiced its concern to ebay that there is the distinct possibility that a lot of the coins people are selling on that site are in fact nothing but counterfeit items meant to look like authentic Mint coins. Therefore, it isn’t the Mint’s integrity that is being questioned here, it’s the reliability and honesty of some of the less reputable of the merchants on ebay. The point is that in many cases these crooks may well be selling what are in fact counterfeit coins while claiming… Read more »

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Rooster

Gotcha! Thanks.

Kyle

Nah, it was more so the fact that enough cry babies complained and the mint had to change the way it is releasing the coins. The complaint to Ebay is probably an attempt to save face since they should not have sold them with so much time between the delivery date (so I do agree with you a bit there). I have always done a pre-sale on coins from the mint, so a bit extreme to remove an item I am selling when it was documented and listed correctly. If some one is ignorant enough to buy fake coins from… Read more »

Rooster

Next up is the W proof ASE. Limited to 3 but going to give it a shot.