A magnificent example of the rarer B-1 variety of a 1796 quarter will be among the top attractions at Heritage’s April 3-6 US Coins Signature® Auction.
The offered 1796 Quarter Dollar, MS61 PCGS comes from the Frost Collection and is among the rarest of its kind.
"The B-1 is the rarer variety, especially for those examples graded in Mint State, with about one-third as many examples as there are of the B-2," says Todd Imhof, Executive Vice President at Heritage Auctions. "This example is extraordinary, tied at the low end of the Rea-Polizio-Moulton Census, behind only four MS63 examples and one MS66 coin."
From a low original mintage, perhaps as many as 100 Mint State 1796 quarters remain in existence, but considering the many factors that make this issue eminently collectible, there are not nearly enough Uncirculated examples to satisfy demand, making examples like the one offered in this auction exceedingly appealing to serious collectors.
The Frost Collection is an elite assemblage of high-grade early silver and copper type coins, with numerous offerings that are aggressively sought by collectors. Of the 64 lots from the collection in the auction, 23 appear in Thursday’s Premier Session. Other highlights from the collection include, but are not limited to Proof Indian Cents — one PR66 PCGS from 1862 and a PR68 PCGS Red and Brown from 1885 – as well as nearly a dozen Standing Liberty Quarters, including a beautiful 1916 Standing Liberty Quarter, MS66 PCGS and a 1919 Quarter, MS67 Full Head PCGS.
An 18th-century rarity, a coin that can act like an irresistible magnet to the most serious of early dollar specialists and advance type collectors, is available in the form of a 1795 Flowing Hair, Three Leaves, B-5, BB-27 Dollar, AU58 PCGS. CAC that is a borderline Mint State coin. Any Flowing Hair dollar that even approaches Uncirculated condition is going to generate considerable demand, making this example an absolute must-have for any serious early dollar specialist’s collection.
An 1895 Morgan Dollar, PR64 PCGS is a coveted prize that is known today only in proof format. Mint documents reflect the coinage in June 1895 of 12,000 standard silver dollars, but no such circulation strikes are known today. If circulation strikes were produced, the most likely answer is that they were melted in the silver dollar destruction brought about by the Pittman Act of 1918, leaving only a limited number of proof coins known today.
Despite a hefty mintage of more than 1.7 million coins, the 1929 double eagle is the first of several scarce issues that marked the end of the Saint-Gaudens series that began in 1907 and concluded in 1933. PCGS CoinFacts estimates that nearly 1,000 of the 1929 double eagles remain, but Heritage experts believe even that estimate is generous, and that the actual survival rate is somewhere between just 350 and 400 – including an MS65 PCGS example that is featured in this auction.
Also in play is the only example PCGS has seen of the ultra-rare LM-3 variety of a 1795 Half Dime, MS63 PCGS. CAC. Traditionally, the Eliasberg LM-3 example, described as MS63 in 1996, was long thought to be the finest for the variety, yet that coin is weakly struck at the lower-left stars and hair strands. This CAC-endorsed example is far sharper in those areas and is notably well-struck on the eagle’s head, neck, breast and legs.
A 1915 Indian Eagle, PR66 NGC is one of just 75 proof examples struck in 1915 by the Philadelphia Mint after commercial proof offerings for gold and silver coins were discontinued after 1915 (and stopped entirely after 1916).
David Akers has suggested that some coins might have gone unsold and were subsequently melted, making the 1915 proof Indian eagle even more elusive than its minuscule production might suggest. John Dannreuther estimated a surviving population of just 40-45, while NGC and PCGS have combined to certify just 38, including an unknown number of resubmissions and crossovers. The remaining population that is available to the collecting community is even smaller than the estimated numbers, because two of the coins are included in the National Numismatic Collection at the Smithsonian Institution.
Another important eagle in the auction is a 1912 Indian Eagle PR66 NGC. Mint records indicate the Philadelphia Mint struck 144 proof Indian eagles that year, but the artistic sandblast finish used on proof coins at the time was not appreciated by collectors, precipitating a sharp decline in orders for proof sets. Just 83 proof Indian eagles were sold in 1912, with the remainder melted for recoinage. The offered example is one of what Dannreuther estimated to be just 60-70 remaining examples, one of just nine carrying a grade of 66 (with only five graded higher).
Instructions from treasury officials to the Philadelphia Mint to concentrate on production of half eagles and eagles during the 1880s led to low production totals, including 2,199 circulation strike double eagles in 1881. PCGS Coinfacts estimates 67 survivors, while the estimate recorded on its population report is 40-60 — one of which, a beautiful 1881 Double Eagle, AU53 PCGS, is among the attractions in this auction.
Other top lots in the auction include, but are not limited to:
- An 1851 Humbert Reeded Edge Fifty Dollar, XF40 PCGS
1851 Humbert Fifty Dollar, XF40 PCGS - A 1916-D Mercury Dime MS64 Full Bands PCGS
1916-D Mercury Dime, MS64 Full Bands PCGS - An 1881-S Silver Dollar, MS69 NGC
1881-S Silver Dollar, MS69
Images and information about all lots in the auction can be found at HA.com/1382.
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It appears a bit of a precious metals price correction is taking place. One can only hope this has to do with the opposite happening for the stock market and the dollar.
That’s the way I look at it. Just wait it out. Prices will raise again. Remember, buy low, sell high. We’ll see what Friday and Monday bring us.
Antonio,
That’s the formula to work with. From my experience over the decades of investing in the stock market I have never been served badly by sticking to my guns.
Perhaps it’s not necessarily counter-intuitive, Antonio, but it does seem a bit unusual to witness this negative trifecta of a plunging stock market, weakening dollar value and slumping precious metal prices simultaneously. I certainly hope this is not the new reality.
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VFW sent another donation envelope and it has 4 nickels so, of course, I opened it
4 uncirculated 2025 D – 2 are absolutely flawless under a scope. At least they can get new coins! Wish they were 2024!!!!
I’ll send in my donation…..
Any relation to “Robert Frost.”
“Nature’s first green is gold.”
Nice 1916-D Mercury Dime. Next to impossible in gem.
Cheers
Those two Indian Eagles look mighty pretty, too.
REB, Yes, oh so rare in matte proof too.
Also, Rick, an 1881-S Morgan in a “9.”
I think Mr. Frost had great taste in numismatics.
Stunning.
Some fancy coins right there guys.
Rick, JMHO, but this is Stunning! My favorite bird in Red, White, and Blue!
You might like this one better. Priceless.
Rick,
Sheryl Crow JSA Certified in the Freekin Box Braahh!
“If It Makes You Happy, It Can’t Be That Bad!”
Cheers
✓ !
Very good, both performances. I’m leaning towards Sheryl with the Stones. She looks to be in her Prime too. I was just a kid, but me and a couple of friends went to every Stadium concert named “Sunday Number 1”, “Number 2” and so on in the Denver/Boulder area 1978-80. The Stones headlined one of them, great times!
Rick,
You got my vote. There’s nothing wrong with Kris Kristofferson, but hey, the Stones, after all, are the one and only Stones.
Those coins are definitely all very cool and would be awesome to have in any numis’ collection, accumulation, or hoard IMO. Although, quite rough, I really like that 1851 Humbert $50. Something about the $50 Octagonal coins try e US Mint issued. I’ve always been quite fond of the 1915 Pan Pacific $50 as well.
Yes, I remember first seeing that 1915 Octagonal at The Granite Lady under glass. Alluring and mind-blowing. Stack’s Bowers had two on sale Tuesday. An MS-64 went for $90,000 and MS-62 went for $72,000.
Decent prices, wish I sold stock and bought one, losing mega moola there last 2 days. Silver crushed gold weeping….
Agree, the mid 1800’s brought in a bunch of interesting Territorial/Pioneer Gold. The Gold Rush era out west was really something.
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I suppose it’s (even if only remotely) possible “our” Nakatomi Tower Hans Gruber was related to Pikes Peak Clark Gruber. Gold all around!
CaliSkier,
For my money the $50 Octagonal San Francisco Pan-Pacific Gold are among the most striking coins ever minted.
Today’s exceptionally well-illustrated article presents and describes another one of those especially awesome auctions about which most of us can only dream and drool. Quite honestly, though, at my age that’s now pretty much standard behavior for just about anything I’d like to apply my interests, energies and above all resources to.
VinnieC said: “I’m confused by all the label and holder variation….black label, black core, first 50k….is the first 50k the first 50k coins or just the first 50k the NGC slabs.” “In collaboration with the United States Mint, the coins available to EIGHTH ERA players will be among the first 50,000 released.” VinnyC I can completely understand the confusion, when trying to assess, exactly what is it we’re looking at. Based on how the previous Coin News article reads these 50,000 coins are “among” the 1st 50,000 released. With that being said the 8th ERA 1 of the First 50,000… Read more »
There was discussion of buying and flipping of the 2024 star privy slabs on CN last yare and I was confused by that too. Certain labels seem to move better.
In the “old days”, VinnieC, it was some coins that moved better than others.
Damn! Pinehurst has a presale on those 2025 (P) ASE Eagle Privy 8 ERA MS70, 1 for First 50,000 NGC coins for $435/$449 vs last nights $299 from Bullion Shark: Who’s the Shark? LOL Not much, if any meat left on the bones at that price?
CaliSkier,
We are still talking about silver bullion at under $35 per ounce here, aren’t we? Hmmm.
No thanks bye bye. They must’ve caught on to what happened with the star privy last year when that iron got hot? I’d be more inclined to pick up a 1/10th PF AGE from the Mint at that price than one of those. Better yet, go to a LCS for a ‘used’ one for a fair price. Gee, now I sound like one of the reasonable, smart buyers around here!
Rick,
Excellent choice, my friend, as the certain value of the Gold Coin has the “doubly manufactured” value of the Privy concoctions beat by a golden mile.
Gold:Silver ratio currently 99:1
Gold:Silver ratio currently 100:1
How strong is gold? Gold : Silver over 100 yet silver is not yet oversold!!!
And gold is not overbought.
Everything is correcting here – opportunity or falling knife?
Methinks patience is prudent.
It’s going to be a long time before I can convert my silver stash to gold. But I’m patient.
Wanting $40 or $50 silver is a pipe dream these daze. No Chinese buyers, do they tariff our bullion? India? Our biggest export nowadays are illegal aliens, or legal depends who u ask and once gone they’re gone, not missed yet….
John Q. Coinage,
While Gold is many times more valuable than silver and as such more costly to acquire, there is no question that both the shipping and storage of physical Gold as opposed to that of Silver is a far more practical matter.
Why? I thought you converted a long time ago?
I don’t know how old you are, MarkInFlorida, but I’m certainly not counting on being around long enough to see that day. 😉
In my best, MONSTER Truck/Moto Cross/Wrestling advertisement, radio “Voice”!!! “Hello and Welcome SPORTS FAaNZs, to today’s PMC SMACK DOWN! AANNNDDd NOWw! LET’s Get RReady to RRRrrUUuhMmBBUULLL…, Do you think you can “BEAR” it? A folding chair has been thrown into the ring and is now being used as a device of Destruction! There is “Reddd” everywhere…Nothing is being spared… KEEP in mind, for those having an exclusive ticket to this MAIN EEvent, that you were “sold the Whole seat, but you’ll only need the EEDDDdddgge!!! As voice trails off to Vrrooming motors or celebratory fans roaring…or Boos/Booze..hiss“ You might want… Read more »
To funny with your ready to rumble comparison. Also, Thank you for the link. Being the optimist, everything is on sale. My money now goes further. Good thing I held off buying some bullion. Might need to back up the truck and load up on a few items. Maybe I can find someone selling rhodium at a decent price as something interesting to add to my collection. And, by the way, I am entertained!
Rhodium is cheap, color some gold! Jewelers are ok w lo price. Pt will be a buy @$800, Monday!!!!
East Coast Guru,
When you say “My money now goes further” you clearly mean at the likes of your LCD and not at the supermarket where sticker shock is now a regular feature.
Cute Rick, but My drink is Royal a crown, good thing I stocked up. Japanese and German beers, Bud yuck.l.lCoors ok, time to rebrew the Olympia beer.
what lose like $10k apple alone, still way above acquisition price but :>{
Stick with the Crown JQ, and Bud? they’re on the straight & narrow now. Modelo is good.
Apple has commited 1B in jobs & factories on American soil, and when the DOW is over 50k within a year from now, you’ll be a Happy Camper once again.
Rick,
Borrowing from an old truism, your glorious sense of optimism “is a thing of beauty and a joy forever.” I’ll continue to sponsor the more pessimistic side of things here to assist with keeping the natural balance, so to speak.
Gold:Silver ratio 102:1
Bada bing, bada boom!
A Black Friday for the World Markets Today.
Wall Street is Painted in Red Again.
Waiting for the Bottom. (4/14/2024)
I’ve nibbled at a few stock on sale today. The problem ‘waiting’ for the bottom is when you assume it’s been reached the market has added 5-10% gains in a heartbeat….just like it does when it reaches a top, only in reverse! Personally, I’ve always done well when I buy with my stomach all in knots. Lol Cheers
The DOW is down 5.5% today (38,314 at the close). Down 14.99% from its all-time high (45,073). We are now deep into a textbook market correction. Investors around the world are dashing to cash (i.e. money markets and short-term treasuries) and investors in Gold are taking profits. Monday’s open on 4/7/2025 will tell all. The US economy produced 220K new jobs in March, a 52% surprise from initial estimates.
E 1, Silver and Gold had a wild, tariffing ride today. The Live 24 Hour Gold Price experienced a $121 drop from the day’s high of $3,136.61 to the day’s low of $3,015.56, ending at $3,038, and the 24 Hour Silver Price fell $2.79 from the day’s high of $31.97 to the day’s low of $29.18, ending at $29.53. The corresponding 24 Hour Gold to Silver Ratio moved up from a low of 97.31 to a high of 103.51, ending at 102.89.
Monday will be a pivotal day for the markets. I’m hoping one (or a few) of the countries imposing prohibitive tariffs on us come to a favourable resolution over the weekend to calm the frenzy occurring in the markets. I was looking for a pullback to buy some positions I’m interested in, but man, I wasn’t expecting what transpired this week. As they say ‘Never a dull moment’. Cheers
Craig,
Since our jobs went overseas thanks to no other reason than our very own American companies sending them over there, the ball for lowering tariffs is not in the foreign countries’ courts but in ours. Somebody forgot the old wisdom about never starting a fight you weren’t sure you could win, and as such we are now reaping the whirlwind.
E 1,
I saw that favorable jobs report. We need more upside news like that, now more than ever! By the way, check out the name of the Motel advertising “Help Wanted”!
Is Uncle Joe now a business owner?
And apparently a fairly successful one at that, seeing as how he’s already looking for more employees at his newly chosen enterprise. Fate is funny that way; if he had won the election he would have missed out entirely on this hospitality career in retirement. Not to mention that as a bonus he is guaranteed to always have lodgers in a certain number of his rooms; after all, his Secret Service Detail has to stay somewhere.
I’m sorry Kaiser, I can’t make the connection. ???
Crowds, stadiums, and rallies came up with the chant “F**K Joe Biden” a couple of years ago. The chant was conveniently spun into the “Let’s go Brandon” chant at a certain NASCAR Race, and the rest is history…
Thanks, Rick, for helping both E 1 and by extension me out with your explanation. It appears that sometimes a joke that requires “inside knowledge” risks not being understood at all.
Sorry about that, E 1. Unfortunately, if I had given any more hints it would likely have vacated the humor from the scenario.
Luckily our mutual friend Rick was kind enough to provide a rather clear and comprehensive explanation in his reply comment to you.
Just to improve our overall scope of the market, maybe Cag would like to share his observations on today’s market activity too?
April 2, 2025, before the tariff announcement, Gold:Silver was 92:1 and two trading days later Gold:Silver was 103:1.
There have only been 51 days in history where Gold:Silver has traded above 100:1 and 50 of those days were during COVID.
10 year Treasury went from high of 4.22% on Wednesday to low of 3.89% today.
Yesterday EURUSD traded in one day, the second worst decline in the past 10 years.
Just shows how much a recession is being factored into the equation.
Cag,
Now the big question is, will there be a near term Rate Cut by the FED? Recent falling commodity prices equates to dis-inflation. Petroleum is also down 7% today. OPEC announced it is increasing production in May with a $50/barrel price target. Cheap gas equates to low inflation. The “Tariff Hit List” will most likely be adjusted downward in the coming weeks as deals are made. China will remain at the top of the hit list though. Between now and then, the FED may need to CUT to contain the stock market. Any thoughts?
Let’s Ask Copilot…
Q: Will the federal reserve need to cut interest rates to contain the stock market after the big April 4th drop?
A: “The Federal Reserve’s decision to cut interest rates will depend on several factors, including the broader economic outlook, inflation trends, and the severity of the stock market drop. Following the April 4th plunge, traders are betting on multiple rate cuts this year, with some expecting up to four reductions. However, the Fed may wait until June to begin easing rates, as recent job growth has been stronger than anticipated.”
Sources: nbcwashington.com, U.S. News Money,
Let’s Ask Copilot more… Q: How would a low interest rate environment benefit the US government? A: A low interest rate environment can be advantageous for the U.S. government in several ways: 1.Reduced Borrowing Costs: The government can issue bonds at lower interest rates, which decreases the cost of servicing its debt. This is particularly beneficial given the size of the federal debt. 2.Stimulated Economic Growth: Lower interest rates encourage borrowing and investment by businesses and consumers, which can lead to higher economic activity and increased tax revenues. 3.Flexibility in Fiscal Policy: With reduced debt servicing costs, the government has… Read more »
Let’s Ask Copilot More…. Q: How do low interest rates stimulate economic growth? A: Low interest rates stimulate economic growth by making borrowing cheaper and saving less attractive, which encourages spending and investment. Here’s how it works: 1.Increased Consumer Spending: With lower interest rates on loans, consumers find it more affordable to borrow money for big-ticket purchases like houses, cars, or education. This boosts demand across various industries. 2.Higher Business Investments: Businesses can access cheaper credit to expand operations, invest in new projects, or upgrade technology. This can lead to increased productivity and job creation. 3.Improved Housing Market: Lower mortgage… Read more »
Last One for Copilot… Q: What sectors benefit most from low interest rates? A: Low interest rates can have a particularly positive impact on certain sectors, as they make borrowing cheaper and encourage spending and investment. Here are some sectors that typically benefit the most: 1.Real Estate and Construction: Lower mortgage rates make homebuying more affordable, which boosts demand for housing. This, in turn, drives construction and other related industries like home improvement and materials. 2.Automotive Industry: Reduced interest rates on auto loans make purchasing vehicles more appealing, increasing sales and stimulating the sector. 3.Financial Services: While banks may see… Read more »
E 1,
Unfortunately, all of the factors in the above bullet points are currently being torpedoed and just as likely sunk by the new prohibitively high tariffs, those which Senator Rand Paul has clearly explained are in fact taxes on the American consumer.
“Now the big question is, will there be a near term Rate Cut by the FED?” The question hinges on the word “near”. Currently the betting market is saying a 70% chance of a Fed cut in June. I don’t think the Fed will bail out the stock market unless you see continue 5% declines on Monday and Tuesday. When Powell started his Q&A yesterday the Dow was down 1400 to 1500 and the 10 year Treasury was 3.90ish. The Dow closed down 2231.07 and the 10 year Treasury closed @ 4.019%. The backup in yields across the board (2… Read more »
cagcrisp,
The Fed has now been put between a rock and a hard place. If the Fed lowers its Rate then the already increasing inflationary pressures resulting from the new Tariffs will be exacerbated. If the Fed raises its Rate then the Tariff-enhanced consumer prices will be pushed even higher. This has become a lose-lose situation.
Kaiser,
OPEC and Russia flooding the market with cheap oil is an inflation buster in itself.
E 1,
I definitely see your point, but most unfortunately this fact will only have an effect in that specific area of commerce. In the meantime, all the other sectors of the U.S. economy which rely (and some rather heavily so) on imports will end up having to pass the new duties they have to pay along to the American consumers of their products and that could be a heavy price to pay.
I’m certainly not seeing it at the pump. Gasoline is up over 30 cents in the last two weeks. But, in mitigation, it ALWAYS goes up in the weeks leading up to Memorial Day. It usually levels off from Memorial Day to July 4. Then, it drops into the Fall unless a hurricane hits the gulf. Oh, and it goes up when stations change over to a winter-grade fuel. This is all to say that the price of gas isn’t necessarily a measure of much of anything other than fairly predictable cycles. That’s why it’s kind of funny when people… Read more »
REB,
Aside from all of your truly excellent points, we must also realize by now that the price of gas is most definitely not going to be one of our primary problems in this increasingly out of control economic climate. There will be lots of bigger fish to fry!
Entirely agree.
REB, This isn’t going to be a fun ride. Whatever motivated anyone to put these in motion in the first place, there are forces now at play that may well, and most unfortunately so for all concerned (which is to say everyone in our country) bring about a period of much rougher and tougher living for quite some time to come. The genie has fled the bottle and Pandora has escaped her box and there is no way they are going to be put back where they belong before who knows how much serious if not irreversible damage has been… Read more »
Agreed. It will take decades to fix what has been broken just in the last two months.
That is, REB, if all that is now broken can even or ever be fixed at all; it may in fact already be beyond repair. So many of our very long term and consistently loyal allies have been so thoroughly alienated and grievously insulted by this exceedingly unfortunate and completely uncalled for turn of events they may never trust us enough again to take us back into the fold. If this all goes south and stays there, MAGA will end up having stood for nothing more nor less than Make America Go Away. God almighty, for the sake of our… Read more »
I think I’m just gonna ride it out on the cheap dividends and the interest. I have no vision for GLD at the moment.
E 1,
The substantial “pressure relief” provided by your music videos is most welcome indeed, so please keep those hits coming.
Thank you Kaiser. To me, the music is mentally stimulating and improves our comradery. Best of all, it is cherry picked and commercial free. Also, I am always willing to take a special request.
Peace
You’re indeed very welcome, E 1. I tend to think that music somehow allows us to recall some of our most positive memories in a way akin to how the sense of smell has that very effect regarding the more pleasant visions of our past.
E 1,
I think it’s long past time for me to give back since you have provided us with so many of these great musical diversions.
Good attitude E1, the best one in this entire thread by a mile.
Thanks Rick and likewise as well my good buddy. Man, I think we’ve been posting together for almost three years now. Time flies when you’re having fun.
Cheers
E 1 and Rick, Not to get too serious or God forbid even maudlin, but that is just the kind of thing you want to hold onto as long as you can since clearly life can be shorter than we might imagine. I will, for example, never forget my dear friend Rick from grades 8-10 at Heidelberg American High School in Germany. After the Army rotated his father back to California in 1963, Rick and I were still able to maintain a connection via our frequent letters until his untimely passing in 2013 at the age of 66 due to… Read more »
This rings true, that’s all I’ll say.
A once in a lifetime friend, gone but never to be forgotten.
I know it’s been a few years Kaiser, however condolences for his families, as well as your loss… Not to make light in any way, this assuredly good man’s headstone, although I know only what you’ve shared with us here, IMO, in Richard/Rick’s eyes, the marker should have read: Beloved Son, Brother, Father & Friend! The Buddha and Epitaph are “spot on”, no doubt! God rest his soul and know his spirit lives on! I thought a picture from where I once lived(93’) and mountain biked (shhh…) would be appropriate. Land of the Medicine Buddha, in Soquel CA. You’d mentioned… Read more »
I cannot possibly thank you enough, CaliSkier, for your exceptionally kind, marvelously thoughtful and wonderfully soulful words regarding my old friend Rick himself, my decades long friendship with him, and my memories of all that which I will no doubt hold onto until I myself leave this plane of existence. Over the years he taught me so much about being able to have a more spiritual view of life by spending more of my time and effort directing my attention inward. While I admittedly find myself straying from this wisdom all too often, I nevertheless am grateful to have been… Read more »
You’re quite welcome Sir Kaiser!
Entirely my pleasure, CaliSkier!
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Nice!
E 1,
Thank you. This is the precisely the sort of bucolic ambience that never fails to infuse me with a sense of peace, joy and wonder.
Winners today! Milk .18%, Methanol 2.07%, Titanium 1.04%, Rice .27%, Tea 1.27, Rapeseed .11%, Corn .65%, Polyvinyl .44%, Polypropylene .60%, Manganese 3.31%, Beef .93%, Eggs .11%, SSE Consume Commodity Index .28%, in the green! 13 up and 62 other commodities/items in the RED from the “Trading Economics” website link I provided in the “radio spot” post above. That equates to roughly 86% of listings on the page, that were even(13) or in the red.
I was shopping at the local Asian grocery store Monday after work picking up a couple things. I had planned to pay with the card, but noticed the person in front of me got some shiny cents and quarters in change so I paid with cash. I struck out on the quarters, but did get 2 brand new 2025 Philly cents. I’m not sure which bank they use. Two weeks ago I was at my bank and asked the cashier if he had any Halves or two dollar bills. I love spending those. He didn’t have any Halves, but I… Read more »
Great about your half dollars. I was wondering where they went to. Congratulations on your finds!
The expectation that markets only go up and recessions should never happen are ridiculously naïve. The markets have not seen a significant correction (bear market) since Covid. If you look at the S&P 500, the 3 year uptrend line has not even been broken. It’s time to catch your breath and remember the old ditty Spinning Wheel.
DaveSWFL,
There is, however, a categorical difference between a natural correction in Stock Market prices and the one in effect now since this one was brought about intentionally.
Truth. An own goal at its worst.
REB,
What a fantastic way to describe what is happening, and I applaud you especially for coming up with that perfect analogy. I am, after all, a major fussball fan myself but to apply that term here didn’t even occur to me.
Incidentally, if you click on the image you’ll see the own goal scored.
DaveSWFL, How about we just play it for you.
David Clayton Thomas? Now that guy can sing.
REB,
That video was produced in 1969, fifty-Six years ago. Thomas is now 83 years old. He was born in 1941. He is older than most of my coins.
Wow! I had no idea that he was still alive. There were so many good voices in that era. Gary Puckett of the Union Gap anyone? B.J. Thomas? Tom Jones? Any of the Temptations? And don’t get me started with the songcraft of popular songs at the time ….
REB and E 1,
Roll call of the octogenarian still performing singers + one RIP.
Gary Puckett – 82
Bob Dylan – 83
Tom Jones – 84
B.J. Thomas – Died 2021 at 78
The Man from Wales…..Tom Jones!
E 1,
While there are those who consider him to be far too “mainstream” or even claim he’s a little on the tacky side, he has nevertheless always sounded great to me and I can feel nothing but positive vibes regarding this grand old entertainer.
Everyone of my clients get the same message from me when they start:
“If you lose $20,000 on Monday, you lose $20,000 on Tuesday, you lose $20,000 on Wednesday, what do you do on Thursday?”
I had one client call me yesterday and quoted back my line except they said “What do I do on Monday?”
Virtually all my clients lost over $20k on Thursday and $20k on Friday. The only ones that didn’t were clients that have the majority of their retirement in Treasuries.
cagcrisp,
Next time they call, why not give them the number for the White House so their justifiable complaints can be made at the source. They didn’t do anything to deserve this nor did you do anything to cause it; let them instead talk to the actual source of their problem(s).
One thing about Thursday and Friday…
…I didn’t have time to do much more than answer phone calls or messages…
cagrisp,
Good point, and all the more reason to direct attention to the relevant party.
cagcrisp,
I realize of course that’s not feasible in your line of work, but one can always dream.
VinnieC and others, Rick said in the previous thread: “BTW, the Bullion Exchange “coming soon” certified Eagle Privy ASEs are listed as PCGS graded instead of NGC holdered from Bullion Shark, for those who prefer PCGS.” Rick, the 1 of First 50,000 labels or slabs we’d been talking about, as best I could tell are indeed the NGC ones? Here is a whole page of them with the “pic coming soon” images, now populated and with the coins pictured. There are 2025 PCGS Eagle Privy slabs, however not with the overinflated/“high priced”, much sought after on the secondary market, 8(8th),… Read more »
CaliSkier,
The Authorized Purchasers have a nice business going with the Third Party Graders!
Thanks for the “Public Service Announcement”, and the deep dive above & below. I am now 110% Disinterested in these coins at this time, just me. Nothing personal to you Cali, it’s a joke of a marketing ploy(imo) for all that are involved with this release.
Imitator version for any curious. Real coin, real slab, just not the highly sought after NGC 8 ERA 1 of First 50,000 label that started this American Silver Eagle privy craze last year. So you will see this label on both last years “Star Privy” coins and this years “Eagle Privy” coins. The market could flip, however last years NGC 8 ERA 1 of First 50,000 are the ones that were and still are fetching $350-$500 on the secondary market, versus any of the other 20 plus labels. BTW, the presale on last years “2024 (P) Silver Eagle NGC MS70… Read more »
CaliSkier,
Since Bullion coins aren’t sold to the public directly, is this yet another way for the Mint’s chosen middleman(men) to make the big bucks at the expense of the retail consumer?
It truly is indeed Sir Kaiser! The amount of label combinations is dizzying to say the least, check out my next post, if so inclined and are enjoying the education. LOL
CaliSkier,
Perhaps counterintuitively, I do often ask these rather pointed questions in the hopeful spirit of “Say it isn’t so”, but sadly and all too typically, it is so.
That’s akin to what has happened to cellphones. Originally we were only able to use them to make calls while now they have apps beyond belief.
There’s an app coming for that. LOL!
Antonio,
I would expect no less. 🙂
The purposeful creation and subsequent existence of these modern instant scarcities seems to be clouding the issue of what a scarce or rare coin ought to be, something that has survived decades to become one of the few survivors of its original release.
AND… This is the one(pic below) that is still garnering attention on the secondary market, in case you’re following along. Again, it’s the 8 ERA label(Blue) and the Nice Gang game itself, is called the “Eighth(8th) ERA”. Again Be VERY, Very, careful and know what it is you are buying. A prime example is that some sellers on the secondary market advertise their coin like this: “2024 W NGC MS 70 SILVER EAGLE EARLY RELEASES FIRST STAR PRIVY”. In this instance the only thing that has an actual “Star” is the label and not the coin. This is one of… Read more »
No need to pity me for not knowing a f-ing thing about labels. I’m not gonna play that game. No extra money from me for a fancy piece of paper in a plastic holder! Can’t believe they’ve turned the hobby into such a circus 🙁
Agree.
DaveSWFL,
As if the coins themselves didn’t already demand a big enough outlay of cash, now there is such a multitude of holder choices to allow one to spend one’s hard-earned money in an entirely new direction.
CaliSkier,
The number of coin holder choices available makes me wonder if we should forgo the term numismatics and go with the name of our hobby as numislabics instead.
Don’t forget the CAC label as well. It’ll die down and return to what it really is about, numismatics.
lol.
REB and Antonio,
On some of those days when a lot of the buzz around here just happens to be about the endless number of exotic label types and the plethora of instantly created Mint rarities and errors I begin to imagine it must have been coin collecting itself that once existed a very long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.
Sharks2th, thanks for sharing your coin finds at the Asian grocery store above! Congratulations on your 2 brand new 2025 Philly cents! Also pretty cool the cashier at the bank offered to hook you up with a couple boxes of Kennedy halves! A couple questions and some thoughts. Was there something specific you were picking up at the Asian grocery store? I love Asian food, cooking Asian food and know sometimes certain items can only be sourced there? Also, do you have a business account with that bank? I wondered, since if any normal(non business acct) bank customers ask about… Read more »
CaliSkier,
I’m not sure how much sense this business makes, what with the 2025 P Lincoln Cents being sold for such extraordinarily high prices. A sucker born every minute, perhaps?
Kaiser,
It may be better to wait for the 2025 US Uncirculated Mint Set when buying those UNC 2025 P&D pennies. I did however manage to pick up a couple of 2025-S Proof Lincoln Cents this week. Now that is a shiny penny. This may be the last year for the Proof Shield Cent and prices are high for these as well ($30 each in the mint blister). I was trying to start this year off in the cheap seats. Maybe not.
E 1, Thanks for the very helpful heads up/advisory; much appreciated. I usually pick up a couple of the Uncirculated Mint Sets annually since for me they are the closest representation of what ends up among the public to serve as circulating currency, or (in likely all too many cases) at the very least as occupants of their jars, cans, boxes and drawers. I can see you are already ahead of the game with your shiny 2025-S Cents, and I must say your pro-active stance in this regard is definitely inspirational. In fact, for me to be able to view… Read more »
Kaiser,
Some old guys paint or take pictures. Other old guys garden and grow vegies. This old guy builds coin albums on the side as a creative outlet. It is not to terrible expensive when spread out over the years and it helps to keep things organized. But I still collect the classics in slabs too.
Beautiful Display of Gem Unc Half Dollars Old Guy.
Love it, E1.
Kaiser,
How did you obtain such stunning Franklins? That’s a valuable collection there!
Dave and REB,
Thanks, I started hobbling that set carefully together back in the early 90’s. Mostly from rolls and mint sets. I recently finished it last year with Rick’s motivation. A couple of the most difficult coins were crack out MS-65FBLs. The 53-S is not an FBL but may grade MS-66. The set is complete, the album is fresh, and it is a work of art. The proof cameo set is nearing completion and that will be slabbed in the end.
Cheers
E 1,
I would be lying if I didn’t admit this collection took my breath away!
Thanks Kaiser. Also, if you need a rescue inhaler, I have an extra. A left over from the Cal Fire Days here in the valley.
You’re quite welcome, E 1. By the way, those must have been some very frightening times there amidst those raging, racing fires. In any case I’d feel better if you retained that inhaler for yourself if another such fiery occasion ever presents itself! 😉
How about 2024 Nickels? Especially from the Denver Mint.
Antonio,
Well, yes, there most certainly are those also. I must say it’s both exciting and a little bit nerve wracking trying to keep tabs on all that is or in many cases might be happening with the Cent and the Nickel down the road. The way I feel about it is that these days I would wear myself out if I tried to cover all the bases like I did in years gone by; I realize it’s because more than a little of what was my typical get up and go has since gotten up and gone.
The 2025 1C coins are certainly at a lower mintage when you compare them with the other 1C production numbers in recent years. But are they done with the 2025’s yet?
The 2024 1C might also be something to keep an eye on in the coming months? It could end up being at a lower number than the 2025 1C? Stay tuned.
No, nothing is scarce or rare in the chart below, just taking a look at things…
Rick,
Interesting information there and always appreciated. It’s also nice to see you made a clear distinction between scarce and rare since all too often those two categories are lumped together to no one’s advantage. Not that I possess a single coin that would be at home in either one of those two elite categories; I remain satisfied with my collection adhering to the catchall grouping of “very nice to have”.
Cali – I like to pick up veggies and the different sauces at the Asian grocery. We have a few here in the DMV area – Lotte, HMart and some smaller ones. I got a great viewt nam spice I use in stir fry veggies with noodles. The veggies tend to be a better price a lot of the time compared to the American chain grocery stores. Only Aldi and Lidl tend to be competitive with the Asian markets on veggie prices. I may post my half dollar box results above and below since there were other comments on those.… Read more »
That vietnamese powder I add to stir fry is actually made in USA.
I only add 1/2 to 1 tsp. It is a pretty strong flavor but does not taste like Indian curry. It more like Thai spices.
Thanks for the response and my mouth is now watering, thinking about the taste of a stirfy noodle dish using this spice with some hoi sin! Yum! Chicken, baby bok choy, mushroom, broccoli, onion, celery, carrots, water chestnuts, red bell pepper, some fresh ground black pepper, ginger and garlic, soy sauce, chicken broth, and voila, super yum!
Hey Cali, Like Homer Simpson drooling – haha. Those are the same ingredients I use most of the time. It varies occasionally based on what I have on hand. I like to use the glassy rice noodles that you put in boiling water for a minute and they are done. I also use Oyster sauce and fish sauce for stir fry seasoning, not usually at the same time though. The fish sauce goes well with that Vietnamese powder. Shrimp, chicken strips or chunks or pork strips are good additions, as well as occasionally pineapple. I also get the Chinese black… Read more »
Stir fry…
You’re definitely on it, with the ingredients! I don’t cook enough stir fry to splurge on the oyster and fish sauce, however my Dads stir fry’s back in the day had those ingredients! He’d make stir fry at least once a week! Being in the Navy, he spent a fair amount of time over seas and picked up his affinity for Asian cuisine as a result. Too funny, as that shot of Homer is pretty much how I’m feeling! My Mom made a really good hot and sour soup as well, however just using white vinegar. Thanks again for the… Read more »
Looks Yummie!
E 1,
Sure does, and Shark2th and CaliSkier are drawing me in with all that talk of Chinese, Thai and Vietnamese food; three of my favorites!
sharks2th,
Extra spicy Hot and Sour Soup; now you’re talking my language!
Cali – Back when the presidential dollars and state quarters were out I would get an entire box most times. I think the bank was required to have those on hand. That stopped around the 2011 Hayes dollars. Those were the last ones where I got the entire box.
Sharks2th, you got me thinking and I had to look back to see when the US Mint was mandated discontinue minting 10’s of millions of those Presidential dollars, due to lack of circulation, need and having a back-stock/hoard of 20+ years. 2012 is when the finally stopped producing MASS quantities and then they were only made for collectors. Anyhow for any wanting a refresher or in depth article by noted MNB/Cweek, other numismatic publications assuredly, by none other than our noted Louis Golino, do a search for “ Coin Analyst Special Report: Circulation-Strike Presidential Dollar Program Halted by Obama Administration”… Read more »
The last one I was able to get were the 2013 Hayes. I checked my inventory list and I did not get any bulk dollars after that one. I have a lot of unsearched dollar rolls that may have some missing edge lettering, but who knows. Maybe I’ll have time to check them when I retire – haha.
Don’t count on that unless you make an extra special effort to put that sort of time aside, sharks2th; I have never been busier with “projects” than in my retirement!
Your right about that. I have too many projects on my list and I haven’t retired yet.
sharks2th,
I share Antonio and Cali’s sentiments, nice work with the Half Dollar rolls. The old & new mixture of coins is where it’s at. I too, have been shutout in the Silver dept in the CRH hobby, but that was 10+ yrs ago. So you finding Silver now is good to hear!. I’ll predict that you’ll find more Silver within the 87 rolls left. Keep us posted!
Did 2 boxes (sealed) last year and NADA 🙁
I suppose that could be a good sign, DaveSWFL, in that it might indicate there are still enough of us collectors around that somebody else was interested, ambitious and likely above all industrious enough to have gotten there first. Just echoing Monty Python, as in their “Always look on the bright side of life!”
Shark, since you brought up the 40% 1968-D Half, you piqued my interest a bit, as I’ve been on the lookout for all 8 of the Silver coins from 1964-70 in the crusty/crackled toned varieties(5 so far). The ’68-D is one of the higher minted coins, but it doesn’t have a P-minted sibling, same thing with the ’69-D, and ’70-D coins. My ’68-D toner below, is the mildest toned coin of the the group. A couple of questions for anyone: 1) What causes this mild/medium type of toning? It has not been circulated. 2) “GTG”(Guess The Grade), I’ll reveal the… Read more »
PS: The scratch above the Eagles left wing is on the plastic holder.
The coin was graded and holdered 10 years ago, according to the PCGS Museum of coin holders.
Rick here is a very informative piece over on Coin Talk website, titled:”What You Need to Know About: The Science of Toning”. Generated by member, “physics-fan3.14”.(December 22, 2009). There are also 5 pages of comments and pictures to read/go through! BTW Louie Lot, another member, a few comments down(CT) also mentions link to another good link/post on: “Rainbow Toning’s effect on price” He wrote: Combine this with this thread, (by Lehigh96, left out so I wouldn’t trigger Awaiting Approval) and you have a lot of good info on toned coins. Thanks for the awesome thread!” PS I would love to… Read more »
Results of 2 boxes of half dollars: The “bad” news first – The second box was all new 2024P Kennedys The first box had the following: 1970s 14 rolls 1974D 5 coins, no DDO 1776-1976 4 rolls 1980s 5.5 rolls (1 1983 No FG) 1990s 5.5 rolls, a few BU coins in those 2000s 1 roll 2015 & 2018 1 coin each 2020P&D mixed 1 roll 2021P&D mixed 1 roll 2022 3 P coins 2023 4 P rolls, 11.5 D rolls (No DDO Ps) 2024 1 P roll The good stuff 1965 – 1 BU coin 1967 – 2 BU… Read more »
Awesome Sharks2th and thanks for the excellent detailed report on what you found! That is really cool of you to report back with information, that I’m sure many were interested in hearing about! You get the coin News, “On a Roll” award for April!
So it is now Crypto’s turn… “A right, a left,’ followed by a solid left hook and uppercut to the jaw”! A lot of Red these days and will anyone attempt to catch the falling knife? Maybe just stick a foot out to protect those pristine wood floors? Don’t do it! I once tried to break the fall of a hot iron, with a bare foot… Didn’t work out so “hot”, pun intended. LOL Just a reaction to something falling and wanting the carpet to not get a burn mark I guess? Something was going to get burned and it… Read more »
Nice reply! I’ll never understand the racial hatred and discrimination against people of any color – even white (no color?). Grew up in Ohio in the 50s & 60s and did a lot of head scratching over what we saw on TV from down South. And I wasn’t alone, most of my classmates felt the same.
I’d say just my two cents worth, but I just can’t find P orD 2025s anywhere.
They’ll come up eventually.
DaveSWFL,
I’ve never seen a “white” person in my life, since white is the color of such things as a blank sheet of writing paper, a scoop of vanilla ice cream or a car painted to reflect the sunlight in a hot climate. The idea of any human being having white skin is an imaginary construct, nothing more and nothing less.
Sir Kaiser, just a bit of Rock Music trivia , but do you remember the blues rock guitarist Johnny Winter, known as “The Colorless Man.”
He and his brother, Edgar, were kind of white.
REB and Rich, I do happen to know of both of those gentlemen, and I believe it is the fact that they were indeed of the albino persuasion whereof you speak. I saw Johnny Winter live at the original location of the Boston Tea Party on Berkeley Street (a place where you either stood up or sat on the floor as there were no seats) in Boston’s South End before the Tea Party moved to Lansdowne Street next to Fenway Park. Since this was before the era of stadium concerts just about every group you can think of passed through… Read more »
The original Boston Tea Party rock concert site on Berkeley Street in South Boston. Tickets for most shows were $2.50 to $3.50 back then.
A guitar virtuoso for the ages, an unforgettable performance.
Cali, Donna Summer’s “Hot Stuff”, the best one I could find.
Cali, Also, Not Bob Marley, but his brother Ziggy Marley.
E 1,
As it so happens, your example becomes my inspiration, and here goes…
Question for the group. I was looking to buy a nice type $20 Liberty and st. gold. Certified. A common date for each at a 64 or 65 grade. What I am seeing is prices not much more than bullion for MS61-63 and a 65 offered at less than a 2025 1oz proof gold Eagle. It makes me wonder if the numismatic side of the collecting is in a decline and straight bullion or mint gimmicks seem to be where the future lies. Buy backs for these $20 gold coins is below spot. Perhaps the best use of my money… Read more »
Look for better dates for the saints. Also look for MS65 and higher to keep ahead of spot during this fire sale. Or look at CC for extra Numi clout.
Cag once said, buy the pre-33 that matters. He favors Wall St Paper GLD now? And I could be wrong.
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1112582/current-gold-prices-and-buying-saint-gaudens-20-better-dates#latest
Gold:Silver ratio 99:1
20%? Same percentage ? Big difference?
Over the weekend someone told me “I had $10 million in stocks and now I have $8 million.”
Another person had $100k and now has $80k.
Same percentage. Big difference.
The percentage with ZERO in stocks swamps those well to do fortunates. They are not panicked. Life just goes on and they get up, go to work, and care for their families. To much of America the only things that matter are the debt and their freedom. We need to eliminate one and cherish the other. For decades, Our government has sadly chosen the wrong way
Amen Brother Dave!
DaveSWFL, Unfortunately, as the saying goes, that is not how this works. The fate and fortune of almost every single person in America is tied up in stocks and bonds one way or another, which is why there is more money represented in the U.S. economy by those investments than there is anywhere else or in anything other than the stock and bond markets. Consider for example all the pension funds, themselves worth in the trillions of dollars, all of which are invested in and entirely dependent on the success of these stock and bond markets. Not to mention, and… Read more »
The sky is falling, the sky is falling!! What you say is all very true in the long term. Totally false in the short term. Let’s not become lemmings to the media hype. Rome was not built in a day and did not fall in a day. They say doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity. We’ve been doing that now for decades. Time for change – never easy, but nevertheless necessary if the country is to survive! Time to take deep breath and give things a chance. America survived… Read more »
Couldn’t agree more Dave. I’ve been concerned for decades about our growing deficit and with the amount of money (over $1T) to service this $36T debt, the time for change has come. But until most Americans feel the pain of this deficit and have to really consider the individuals we put (and continue to reelect) in leadership positions, nothing will change…in my humble opinion. If I had my way, there’d be a 2 or 3 term limit of everyone in government.
Your sentiments are shared by many, Dave and Craig. In that many believe our “Forefathers”, never meant(?) for Congress the Presidency, or other government positions, to ever be a “career” move.
Hear hear, CaliSkier, as that is something I’ve wondered about for ages.
I can only think to give you a big ditto, Craig, to what I shared above with DaveSWFL, since I see in you his kindred spirit in so many aspects. Kudos, my coin collecting and world observing friend.
Kaiser,
I can’t think of a better place to spend a little time than with my fellow coin loving buddies. BTW, what’s the significance of the car in your avatar? Cheers
Dave,
The “Chicken Little” comparison is fitting for the Trump hating, Elite Globalists’ that lurk amongst us. They’ve doubled down on their hope that America will fail. Very sad.
There is a new catchphrase that best describes these “Chicken Little”, “America last” types.
Their new nickname is “Panican”….
Well, yes, Rick, I will be the first to admit that it’s not all that easy for everyone to stave off what can all too easily become the fear of losing one’s entire retirement nest egg, especially so far along in the game of life. However, I must say I had the good fortune to speak with my best friend in the area today and I discovered he had already lost easily ten times as much of his stock portfolio as I had of mine thanks to the stock market drop. When I realized he didn’t seem all that bothered… Read more »
Postscript observation:
<eyes rolling out of my head>
Very well said and put, DaveSWFL, which is why I always value your take on matters, most especially so regarding the particular issue I might well have kept myself from seeing other sides of. You’re a good commenter because you consistently manage to back up your observations with facts and figures, and that, my friend, I believe I can say without any hesitation is naturally both essential and wise.
“These developments in essence mean there is an entirely new reality in America, and it is without a doubt a seriously downgraded one.”
Amen, Brother Kaiser!
REB,
I am trying to cling to the hope that we can over time dig ourselves out of this situation and that there will be a definitively positive resolution at the end of this tunnel, which means I sure hope it isn’t the illusory one that was continually imagined after years of the Vietnam War.
They only ‘had’ the two if they sold. The markets are turning and are now in the ‘green’. I like buying in major selloffs. I don’t think this turmoil is over just yet, but I’m not panicking either.
Craig, This morning was much better than I thought it would be. But the world is changing. The DOW down 1.7% for the day (4/7/2025 9:30AM PT).
E 1,
This is indeed becoming a whole new world, and it remains to be seen whether this will be a positive or a negative development, not to mention that even those two terms are strictly subject to individual interpretation.
Kaiser,
Lindsey Buckingham in a Fro – Priceless. Born in 1949 near by in Palo Alto CA. It is hard to find high quality music vids from back in the day for Fleetwood Mac. Nice find.
I’ve always thought that Buckingham was the beating heart of that group. Without his vocals, guitar work, and production, Fleetwood Mac likely would have stayed a relatively obscure fusion rock band.
REB,
I’ve barely been aware of his contribution to the group. This video and your comment have opened my eyes in regard to him.
E 1,
Thank you; I appreciate that. Remember though, it was you who have been inspiring me, so “right back atcha” for that!
E1,
Today ended much better than I was expecting before trading opened. The positions I nibbled at on Friday even ended in the green. I’m not a sailor by any stretch, but I have to say I felt a little seasick after today’s action. God only knows what the rest of the week will be like but if Donald is right about countries vying to negotiate the tariffs down, then maybe it won’t be Armageddon! I need a strong martini tonight. Cheers
Craig,
Talks tonight of Trump going “Zero for Zero” tariffs with the EU and the FED making an emergency interest rate cut in the next day or two or three leads me to think a big snap back is coming SOON! Also, tonight, Futures are already up 2%. Might be a good time to revisit NVDA and AMZN. An organic light beer for me.
Cheers
E1,
Attitude is everything, and your attitude is positive, so keep up the good work!
Doom & Gloom is not something that you engage in or promote. Your Worldview is Bright, not Dark. Good on you!
Stay the course my friend, tend to those Cameo Coins, and you will stay happy!
Rick,
Thanks Good Buddy. Funny thing you mentioned those Franklin Cameos. I was just going over what I have so far. Of course this is just preliminary and I have to start somewheres. But the ball is rolling and I’ve been hobbling this set together. I was going to buy another one today. But with all of the market calamity, I decided to wait a little bit. However, “The Show Must Go On.”
Cheers Bro
Sorry about that. The photo didn’t go through. I had to reduce it. One more try.
E 1,
If you keep displaying all of these gorgeous masterpieces, folks might begin to get seriously jealous. What to do, what to do?
Kaiser,
Thanks, but I’m posting from the cheap seats here. Unless it is my artistic eye that begs the question, then we have similar taste. However, I have always felt that jealousy is a sin and I have no comprehension of such an emotion.
Peace Out
E 1,
I always prefer the cheap seats. I don’t indulge in luxury.
E1,
I always enjoy seeing photos of your Franklins. They have always been my favourite half dollar (Walking Liberty a very close 2nd!) and I have been picking up a few here and there since the mint has screwed up their business model. Those Franklins in Ag are just timeless!
Craig,
Thanks. Especially timeless in Cameo.
Cheers
Craig,
I think you already know mine is the Walking Liberty, not just as my chosen half dollar but as my favorite of all coins.
E1,
NVDA is one of the stocks I bought on Friday. It looks like we’re in for a nice bounce today, but you know how things can change by closing time. It would be a very positive signal if the Chinese would come to the negotiation table for an ‘honest’ dialogue. I put honest in quotes because I’ve never liked or trusted the Chinese Communist Party. BTW, what is ‘an organic’ light beer? If I want a beer, I’ll open a good ole Guinness stout. Cheers
Craig, Yes. It is a nice sunny day on Wall Street today (4/8/2025) and classic half dollars are the best. CC Morgans are a close second.
Craig,
I’ve long been puzzled by the term “organic” when it comes to food and drink. If a thing isn’t inorganic isn’t it by default organic?
In today’s world, ‘organic’ usually refers to a growing condition absent of the use of pesticides. But when I look at vegetables labelled as ‘organic’ I’m always suspicious about that because they always look better than the ones treated for insects and diseases. But as we all know, the label never lies. Right? Cheers
In Academia, Organic Chemistry or O-Chem, refers to compounds that contain Carbon and Hydrogen (CH2, CH3, CH4 or Methyl’s). Compounds of such nature include alcohols, solvents, fuels, fertilizers, pesticides, preservatives, some medicines, and plastics. In the field of FDA Certified Organic Farming – the produce, the seeds, and the soils used to grow such ag-born products must be devoid of all organic compounds such a herbicides, pesticides, fertilizers, preservatives, paraffins, and petroleum products. It would be scientifically correct and proper to use the term inorganic produce. But for marketing purposes, the term “Organic Produce” is globally used instead. If you… Read more »
As for Organic Beers and Wines…..The feedstock used to produce such beverages must be grown without herbicides, pesticides, fertilizers, and petroleum products. The finished bottled beverage itself must be free of preservatives as well. However, beer and wine, in a theoretical sense, is a weak methyl. Some Asian brewers, such as Singha Beer, they use Formaldehyde as a preservative and this causes a severe headache. Some European brewers use a much higher alcohol content as a preservative and this causes little to no headache, but increases the likelihood of organ damage. Some American brewers, such as Coors, use no preservatives.… Read more »
All other considerations aside, one thing you can always be sure of with “organic” products is that they will be more expensive.
cagcrisp,
Finally, someone who truly understands the night and day difference between those two very distinct situations. Person A has lost all of $2 million while Person B has only lost $20 thousand. However, and this is the Big However, Person A still has $8 million to their name while Person B is left with no more than $80 thousand.
Yes, Kaiser, we all know the difference between the top 1% and the middle class.
The top 1% will never care. They lose 90% of their wealth and they’re still on Easy Street. Not so much with their deplorable middle class peons.
Yes, we get it
One doesn’t have to sugar coat it, although not necessarily a bad idea, however has any one heard of BCS? That my friends, not to be confused with “Bowl Championship Series, is what is known as Bitter Coffee Syndrome! Although the NCAA BCS, also had similar effect on fans from 1998-2013. Drinking some unsavory coffee, ends in the same result, as the one seen on the man’s face, from the “Keystone Light” beer commercials. Not sure about the beer or some utterance’s, however the irony and possible correlation is uncanny IMO. Bitter coffee typically results from over-extraction, where too much… Read more »
CaliSkier,
I’m glad I grind my own beans! You sure come up with some good ones! LoL.
Craig and CaliSkier,
Dunkin Donuts coffee beans and a Mr. Coffee machine. My wife and I like our java the old fashioned way. 🙂
Sorry, DaveSWFL, if I worded that in such a way as to seem deprecating and/or demeaning, as that surely wasn’t my intent. Mea culpa, my friend.
I saw over the weekend the 2025 1879 and 1880 Coiled Hair ‘Stella’ Au commemorative coins (graded PR 70 by NGC) being offered for just a hair under $6K. At just 499 pressed, these comms are truly rare. With everything going to hell these days, are there any takers for these beautiful items? Oh, they also offered a 5 ounce version in Ag for the low, low price of just $999! I believe the shows reasoning for why you need to buy these replicas is because you can’t afford to buy one of the few (very few) original coins. At… Read more »
Load up on a bunch of these(Strict limit of 5))Craig! After all, there is 14 mgs of 24KT Gold ‘on’ each and every “Proof”!…
71.42857 coins to get a gram of gold.
2221.67857 coins to get an ounce of gold.
Then you have to pay to purify the dust off of those coins – haha.
Rick,
What’s the melt value for those 14mgs of Au…about .87c! Where’s my phone! LOL
LOL Craig! However, if Sharks2th calculations are correct, my computations say the value on those scant 14 mgm would be just under $1.36/14mgm. A whopping $.58 more than your guesstimate. Haha Your price needs a 55% premium markup. For comparisons sake USM PF AGE’s have roughly a 31% premium over current spot melt. I vote Craig for being in charge of US Mint gold pricing, as we could save almost 25% vs what they charge today based on spot at $3010.60.(Kitco when I began crunching numbers, LOL) With Craig in charge, you could be picking up PF AGE’s, for around… Read more »
$3185 sounds good to me for a 1 oz AGE CaliSkier. Now we just have to come to agreement on my salary for U.S.Mint employment! LoL
It might be wise to think more than twice before applying there.
When you see or hear “Tribute” in connection with any coin for sale, run!
The telephone equivalent of a sitcom laugh track to get your juices flowing. Hilarious!
Rick said ” Cag once said, buy the pre-33 that matters. He favors Wall St Paper GLD now? And I could be wrong.” Here is the context for “matters”: December 26, 2023 @CoinCollector57 says,”Cagcrisp, why do you believe the proof 1/10 and 1oz AGE are good investments?” Current grid pricing for the Unavailable 2023 1/10 oz. American Gold Eagle proof = $335.00. Comparable pre ’33 United States Gold That Matters would put the price for the 1/10 oz. Type 2 Gold at ~ $712.00 Today. Current grid pricing for the Unavailable 2023 1 oz. American Gold Eagle proof = $2,900.00.… Read more »
cagcrisp, why only the 1/10 oz. and 1 oz., and not the 1/4 oz. and 1/2 oz. fractional gold coins? Did your comparative analysis of the 1/4 oz. and 1/2 oz. American Gold Eagle proofs not show similar good bargain values for the 1/10 oz. and 1 oz. Type 2 Gold proofs?
No. You are better off purchasing the bullion versions of the 1/2 oz. and 1/4 oz. American Gold Eagles vs. paying the premium for the proofs.
Still not seeing the upside for the type 2 proofs 1oz or 1/10 oz. 2023 4 coin set can be had for $6k and some change. Other than the increase in spot gold no real advantage. Perhaps the 2025 gold proof could be a good buy with the low mintage. 2021 type 1 gold proofs surprisingly seem to do well. Hopefully the mint lowers the pricing grid this week.
Appreciate the explanation and recommendation.
Again on December 23, 2023:
For YEARS and YEARS on MNB I pounded the table on pre ’33 Gold.
You have Not seen any posts from me in awhile pounding the table on pre ’33 Gold.
Why?
I do Not see any bargains in the pre ’33 United States Gold That Matters…
The last reference to “matters” on December 23, 2023:
@John Q. Coinage says,”What do you mean gold that matters pre 33? ”
Certain Modern United States Mint Gold coins do Not Matter.
Certain pre ’33 United States Mint Gold coins do Not Matter.
I am comparing the Current two United States Mint Gold coins that DO matter to pre ’33 Gold coins that DO matter.
Apples to Apples…
Hope you bought good tickets? The PMC&C SMACKDOWN continues! Down in front, so I can get a better view! Thanks… BTW, PMC&C is Precious Metals, Commodities & Crypto.
I suppose you want me to remove my ringside seat top hat to clear the sightline, eh?
The most important market move of the day is the 10 year Treasury.
Low of 3.865%
High of 4.197%
Currently 4.173% Up 16.4 basis points.
IF the 10 year continues up, that’s a game changer…
The Flowing Hair silver medals are gaining value. I good investment for what mine cost me.
Nice job Antonio. The coin community at large agrees with you, so do I.
The FH program was a success for the Mint, and the collectors that bought them.
I just pulled a chart from CACgrading today, and pricing is up after 4-5 mos. They follow Greysheet pricing benchmarks.
The largest increases since Jan was Your Medal(It Doubled!), and the Gold Privy(+9k), The Silver Privy, and std Gold FH remained flat …
Thank you for this confirmation Rick. I wish Kaiser could have bought just one. It would have been worth it. I was thinking of him when I bought mine. He has ever been a good (if not great) source of information, if not humor and encouragement.
Sure thing Antonio. The prices on these types of charts are sometimes inflated, so checking actual, up to date sales results is the most accurate data.
I talked to Kaiser about the Medal as well, but his Coin vs Medal Principles kicked in, kudos.
Agreed, Kaiser has a cornucopia of information, humor, and encouragement at his fingertips.
Rick and Antonio,
It does my little old heart good to hear such kind words and warm sentiments from the both of you, and believe me this works both ways, my friends. By the way, I am now ready to admit I absolutely should have listened to your combined cheerleading and invested in one of the silver medals, but alas and alack that belated realization and a few bucks might just get me a cup of (not Starbucks) coffee.
Coin Vault has 1st of 50,000 (the rare one’s) 2025 ‘eagle privy’ ASE’s graded MS69 by NGC for $80. Where are all the MS70’s? And why are the graders grading them at only MS69. Aren’t these usually returned and sold as BU.
Craig,
With the history of sleight of hand and twist of mind that the likes of The Coin Vault and Mike “Sold Out-Limited Edition” Mezack are widely known for it must be akin to pulling teeth to get the answers to those sorts of questions.
E1, Kaiser, others, thanks for DJ’ing here on Coin News! Also E1, easy to confuse, due to Bob’s prolific progeny prowess. David, AKA “Ziggy” was actually the second born of he and Rita Marley. “Ziggy”, a nickname given by his father, is often reported to mean “little spliff”(joint a holy herb and Rasta sacrament). Bob ended up with at least(?) 12 children. He fathered 3, plus 2 adopted with Rita and the others were born to, 6 additional women(72’-78’) out of wedlock. The story, that has been replicated fore and aft’, by many a “star” in the music industry. A… Read more »
CaliSkier,
I appreciate the mention. You’re welcome as to the “DJ’ing”. Thanks for the lyrics!
E1, as Rick duly noted above: “Beautiful Display of Gem Unc Half Dollars”. Now a question about your Franklin’s? Is your 1955 P a 90 degree rotated die error, loose coin album, or just “cattywampusly” re-housed after your last viewing? LOL
Cali,
The 55-P is loose in the album. I would fix it, but I sealed the edges of each page of the album with HD Transparent Scotch Tape. Interesting Cat you have there.
Cheers
Aha, E 1, pleased to meet another “mad taper” like me. My wife doesn’t let me tape things anymore because I have a habit of making the result irreversible!
Well, I thought it might be worth the effort? WRONG! I decided to download the Nice Gang, video game to try and buy one of the 2025 “Eighth ERA” (P) ASE Eagle Privy 1 in First 50K MS70 coins from them. Oh well can’t blame me for trying, however they were sold out. Not only that, I can’t imagine what they were being sold for? They were offering the MS69’s for $250! Holy crap! The exact same coin can currently be purchased from SD Bullion for $69.99. So at least I only wasted time and no money. So needless to… Read more »
I stand corrected and have an update on those Nice Gang Video game 2025 Eagle privy coins above. Apparently for $250, you’d receive 5 MS69 coins with a limit of 10 orders per household. No the, moment. The MS70’s apparently could have been purchased 2 ways. 1 MS70 for $100, however those also had a 10 per order household limit,’which meant they sold out fairly fast. Bummer….‘or they offered an option. Umber 2, which consisted of 1, MS70 and 4 MS69’s for a total of 5 coins for $350, with the same limit of 10 bundles of 5 coins per… Read more »
CaliSkier,
You’re so right about the misfire in the game company’s coin sale strategy. Unlike the Mint, which sees a benefit in unloading as many coins as fast as possible, the game company would have been better served by spreading out the coins to the widest “audience” possible. This latter approach might well have encouraged rather than discouraged an increase in the number of players.
w/e 04/07/2025 sales:
2025 American Eagle Gold Proof 1 oz. 1584
2025 American Eagle Gold Proof ½ oz. 701
2025 American Eagle Gold Proof ¼ oz. 839
2025 American Eagle Gold Proof 1/10 oz. 3066
2025 American Eagle Gold Proof 4 coin set 1989
w/e 04/07/2025 variance from w/e 03/31/2025:
2025 American Eagle Gold Proof 1 oz. 98
2025 American Eagle Gold Proof ½ oz. 60
2025 American Eagle Gold Proof ¼ oz. 54
2025 American Eagle Gold Proof 1/10 oz. 682
2025 American Eagle Gold Proof 4 coin set 33
10 year Treasury currently trading @ 4.257 up 8 basis points.
Not what you want to see…
More not so good news? I’m not familiar with Treasuries so this is a real question.
When the rate goes up, people (or institutions/Countries) are dumping the bonds. Speculation now that China might be dumping them as retribution for our 104% tariff. If no one wants to buy our lovely debt….
Craig, Communist China is a psychopathic government that needs to be detached and isolated from the free world. The theft of our intellectual property, the manipulation of trade and currency, the economic betrayal after bringing them into prosperity, and the strong-arm military practices in Southeast Asia thereafter says it all. For decades I’ve been saying China is a problem and it will always be a problem. We should have never helped them and we should have never trusted them. The sooner they are isolated and detached from us the better. I do not own any panda coins and I tell… Read more »
E1,
Great minds think alike! I try to buy as little as possible from China. Some things, like my iPhone and pharmaceuticals are only made there, so I have no choice. And to be clear, I don’t dislike the Chinese people (those Chinese females are hot. Just ask Eric Swalwell) but I certainly despise the Communist Party. Does anyone think the Chinese are building up the military so quickly because they’re afraid Japan is going to invade them!
Craig,
The DOW is up 2,459 Today (4/9/2025 11:02AM PT). US stocks skyrocketed higher Wednesday after President Donald Trump authorized a 90-day pause on all the reciprocal tariffs that went into effect at midnight, with the exception of China.
Craig and E 1, As you already know, a big consequence of my history of having lived my first nine years behind the Iron Curtain and the following nine directly facing it as the constant ongoing threat it represents is that I have never had any inclination to feel any emotion but fear and any feeling other than distrust toward the Soviets (now Russians) and their equally relentless allies in China and North Korea. Those are three completely failed states that exist only to suppress their own populations; part of how they do this is by promoting among themselves the… Read more »
Bingo E1(your Communist China post above).
Rick, It is probably a good time for all of us to know who we do business with: Temu is a Chinese-owned e-commerce company, specifically operated by PDD Holdings, which also owns the Chinese e-commerce platform Pinduoduo. Etsy is an American e-commerce company founded in the United States, with its headquarters in Brooklyn, New York. Alibaba Group is headquartered in Hangzhou, Zhejiang, China and owned by Jack Ma. A Chinese born Communist Party Affiliate. Ma earned a Bachelor of Arts degree in English from Hangzhou Normal University. eBay is an American multinational e-commerce company headquartered in San Jose, California, and… Read more »
E 1,
Thanks for the explanation of the lineup of coin sellers. I already avoid all the Chinese merchants as a matter of preference, and I stay away from Etsy’s coin offerings because when it comes to pricing theirs is patently unconscionable.
Told it like it is.
Believe me, behind the big Chinese smile lurks a predatory sneer.
Thank you very much, Craig, for providing the explanation, and so quickly at that! The more I learn here from others the more I also realize how little I know to begin with, so receiving this kind of knowledge can’t help but serve me well going forward. Aside from all that, I can now see that all this bond dumping is not exactly the scenario one might hope for and the consequences could as a result be ones that are in fact less than desirable.