Bill Recognizing America’s Working Dogs Clears House Hurdle

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On Tuesday, May 21, the House of Representatives passed a bipartisan bill, the Working Dog Commemorative Coin Act (H.R. 807), which calls for the the Secretary of the Treasury, through the U.S. Mint, to produce and issue commemorative coins in 2027 that honor the contributions of working dogs in society.

Sponsored by Rep. Patrick T. McHenry (NC), the bill recognizes the indispensable roles that these dogs play in various sectors, including military service, law enforcement, and assistance for people with disabilities.

"The Working Dog Commemorative Coin Act will help get these incredible animals the recognition and appreciation they deserve. This legislation not only honors the working dogs who protect Americans at home and abroad, but also the extraordinary people that benefit from their service," Congressman Patrick McHenry said in a statement.

The Act directs the minting of three types of coins:

  • $5 Gold Coins: Limited to 50,000 pieces, each coin would weigh 8.359 grams and contain 90% gold.
  • $1 Silver Coins: Limited to 500,000 pieces, each coin would weigh 26.73 grams and contain at least 90% silver.
  • Half-Dollar Clad Coins: Limited to 750,000 pieces, each coin would weigh 11.34 grams.

The coins would be issued in both uncirculated and proof qualities for a one-year period beginning Jan. 1, 2027.

Designs on the coins must symbolize the broad contributions of working dogs, including their roles in detection, military service, therapy, and assistance. Each coin would bear inscriptions such as "Liberty," "In God We Trust," "United States of America," and "E Pluribus Unum."

The Secretary of the Treasury would select the designs after consulting with America’s VetDogs and the Commission of Fine Arts (CFA). The designs would also be reviewed by the Citizens Coinage Advisory Committee (CCAC).

Each coin would be sold at a price equal to the sum of its face value, the cost of designing and issuing, plus a surcharge: $35 for each $5 gold coin, $10 per silver dollar, and $5 per half dollar. Provided the coins turn a profit, the surcharges collected would be distributed to America’s VetDogs to support their programs for providing service dogs to veterans, active-duty service members, and first responders with disabilities.

For the bill to become law, it must also pass in the Senate and be signed by the President.

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Rick

I’m a working dog! Oh you mean doggies, got it! The Working/Service Dogs are great, and a true asset, but on a coin? Ok…
Will they have a Yorkie like mine on it? Maybe not, but she’s not a yipper or teacup! I’m a little down on the Commems all of a sudden. Will the Big V sign some COA’s? I’ll need to think real hard on this one. What about a working Horse? The forgotten “Workhorse” of yesteryear…

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Rick…truly worthy of use as the lead-in item on the SNL Evening News. Bravo!

Tony@GA

The Big V has already announced she will only sign Cat coins.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Tony@GA…you guys are hitting them out of the park tonight. Way to go!

John Q. Coinage

That service Pomeranian I saw I. The market would make a nice half dollar. Maybe a special strike on a pigs ear, for the doggies.

Rick

Lolol, lol…

Kaiser Wilhelm

Nice, John Q. Coinage…you’re at the cutting edge now!

REB

Bipartisanship! Coins!! Dogs??? Wow, is this the best we can come up with these days? I think it’s past time to seriously consider only ONE commemorative set per year. Two is too many, particularly given all of the annual standard issues (Eagles, Morgans, Peaces, Buffalos, Liberties, platinum, palladium, uncirculated sets, proof sets, quarters, and on and on and on). Stop the madness! Just one commem per year, please and thank you. P.S. – How about THE commemorative for 2027 being a salute to the 1927 New York Yankees? It was Babe Ruth’s record 60-homerun year and one of Lou Gehrig’s… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

REB, What strikes me as both rather unfair and unfortunate is that the U.S. Mint can decide for itself, without Congressional legislation, to produce any sort of gold coin it wishes to while on the other hand being prohibited from doing the same when it comes to silver coinage; it is therefore required to release silver medal equivalents of those gold coins instead. This results in the acquisition of commemorative gold coin sales being effectively restricted to more affluent individuals and prevents the rest of America’s coin collectors from buying a far more affordable matching silver coin while having to… Read more »

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Kaiser Wilhelm

I was going to say the Trojan Horse, but that was neither American nor loaded with Marines.

Mark D.

Umm, can one be more of a Marine than Ulysses, Agamemnon, Achilles, Ajax and their comrades? After all, Helen’s face launched a THOUSAND ships (poor Menelaus), carrying combatants who proceeded to battle on land (i.e., they were passengers. not fighting sailors).

Rick

Well, that’s a bit too deep for me. It could be time for me to brush up on my Greek Mythology though?
I will say that I do recognise Orion in the night sky, a beautiful sight to behold!
My Horse idea had more to do with a horse for travel, sport, battle and companionship, like a dog, sort of…
It’s nice to meet you Mark D.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Drug Dog Ducats. This is the best commemorative they could come up with? For god’s sake, canines don’t use coins; they don’t even know what they are. I don’t know whether to laugh or cry at this point. Makes sense though that the U.S. House of Representatives has mandated the production of hundreds of thousands of these as is typically the case; might as well make a boatload of coins nobody wants.

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Major D

Must be running out of ideas, oh well could do worse than dogs, I guess. Here’s one I already have (plus the 100-lb car riding variety): 2018 Australian Year of the Dog (GSD).

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Major D,
Yes, I agree it could easily have gone worse with the subject, that’s true. The real issue here is with the excessively high mintage numbers the House regularly assigns to all Commemorative Coins, most especially so in the case of the Silver and Clad versions. Contrary to all the evidence from prior negative outcomes of this strategy, we once again have a directive for a mintage of 500,000 and 750,000 units each respectively. What indeed is the point of this ongoing exercise in futility?

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Rick

Tony@GA,
Maybe Ventris could sign my photo of Julie Newmar, the Original Catwoman?
She’s a little before my time–But she sure is Girly!?!

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Tony@GA

I’ve never been a cat person per se but I might be reconsidering….

Nostalgic blast from the past Rick!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Just a hunch here, Tony@GA, but reconsideration might just be the ticket.

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Tony@GA

Yep – it’s official now… I’m a Cat Guy but please don’t tell my dog.

Love the pic!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Mums the word, Tony@GA; I can guarantee your dog won’t be hearing the bad news from me! Glad you like that photo; it’s actually from her personal website. By the way, and certainly not with the idea of bursting any dreamy balloons around these here parts, but that fabulous lady is ninety years young now…and still looks awesome!

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Rick,
I was in my second year of college when the very lovely Ms. Newmar joined the Batman TV series cast, which means she wasn’t a bit before my time. Lucky me.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Allow me to underline that point…

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DAVESWFL

COINS, gentlemen, coins!!!!

DAVESWFL

But the point(s) are awesome !!

Kaiser Wilhelm

DAVESWFL,
Both the pertinent reminder and the welcome compliment are gratefully received. In spring young(?) men’s fancy may turn to subjects other than those prescribed, but that aside, how about those hopelessly bloated numbers for commemoratives?

Kaiser Wilhelm

By the way, DAVESWFL, do you have any idea why today’s ASK price for Palladium is a full one hundred dollars higher per ounce than the BID price? I’ve never encountered a gap as big as that before; it sure doesn’t seem to make any sense.

DAVESWFL

Some would see those numbers as “enhancements”

DAVESWFL

But they are and have been outlandish mintage approvals for many years.
They NEVER mint to the approval numbers. I believe they put ridiculous numbers in the legislation so no one will be shut out and the benefiting organization will maximize their income from the program. Only problem is the designs are so bad that the organizations seldom receive anything (substantial).

Kaiser Wilhelm

I understand the rationale for the extravagant mintage figures, but might one not think the optimistically inflated numbers would at some point have to make way for cold hard reality.

Kaiser Wilhelm

I was re-reading your comment, DAVESWFL, and I came across “so no one will be shut out.” If Congress is worried about that they obviously pay no attention to the Mint’s actual sales figures since I doubt very many of the Commemorative Coins released come anywhere even close to breaking even.

VinnieC

Kaiser Wilhelm I read in a few places if the US Mint doesn’t break even then the sponsoring organization does not get the proceeds from the surcharge. I’ve been trying to figure out who missed out on the surcharge payout. The 2013 Girl Scout of America Commemoratives seems to be first case, I think the US Mint overestimated demand. This makes me think many newer commemoratives do break even due to a combination limited initial production (or delayed product availability after initial sale…almost mint on demand) and raising prices (much debate about that here and previously on MNB too). Anyway… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

VinnieC, I can’t help but believe that there are quite likely so very many production and sales factors involved in the final determination as to whether any particular U.S. Mint Commemorative Coin has reached the required threshold for the surcharge payout to be set into motion, so to speak, that it would be a daunting task to even attempt to be able to adequately make adequately understandable heads or tails of this subject. That being said, from a detailed scrutiny of the breakdown of sales figures roughly over the past four decades of the various commemorative coins that have been… Read more »

Major D

VinnieC, I can only imagine that it’s very disheartening for those non-profit organizations that don’t collect anything from the surcharges. As to which commemoratives collect something (and how much they collect), the information is not readily found- at least not by me in my searches. The Mint’s Annual (fiscal) Report does provide figures for the commemoratives, however 1) it doesn’t differentiate between the multiple commemoratives; 2) it doesn’t break out the surcharge amounts; and 3) it’s based on a fiscal year that runs from Oct. 1 to Sept 30. For instance, the attached is taken from the 2023 Annual Report.… Read more »

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Major D,
The depiction of and accompanying thorough explanation of your by now typically far more astute and complete than that of the average bear numismatic homework aka extra-curricular coin research manages to illustrate very clearly how excruciatingly difficult it is these days not only for a Mint commemorated cause to become eligible for any profits from a Mint commemorative surcharge program but also how exceedingly complicated and as such exceedingly perplexing the math employed must in fact be in order to calculate how much any officially designated entity (or entities) could be entitled to receive.

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VinnieC

Thanks Major D,
I forgot about the annual report. What is weird is Boys Town supposedly got paid and the Lion;s Club would be paid pending paperwork according to a 2019 Coin World story, however 2017 and 2018 were in the red for commems.

Kaiser Wilhelm

I would put those Mint commemorative numerical mintage “enhancements” on the same level as excess botox injections.

Rick

Lovely is an understatement!

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Bat Facts not synced the above, but still IMO noteworthy: Burt Ward aka Robin the Boy Wonder at 79 is the only surviving main cast member. This guy recorded a song in 1966 written for him by Frank Zappa called “Boy Wonder I Love You”. Holy 45RPM, Batman!

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REB

My favorite line from Batman: as the Caped Crusader and the Boy Wonder are tied and struggling and Catwoman’s table saw is heading for their noggings, Robin exclaims, “Catwoman, you’re not a nice person!”

Rick

I suppose the example that you provide is perhaps a better alternative than the one that Jigsaw gives to these two youngsters below? Maybe not, as all table saws are dangerous!… ‘Viewer discretion’ as the clip below has creepy music and a couple of “F” bombs(how dare he say that!)…

Kaiser Wilhelm

SAW = object lesson on how to raise a generation of psychopaths.

Kaiser Wilhelm

REB,
In it’s own admittedly bizarre way, Batman & Robin dialogue was brilliant!

REB

Bat Girl wasn’t too hard on the eyes either.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Yet another keen observation of the Bat World as in “Holy Hooters, Batman!”

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Christo

To all the Negative Nellies on here, just remember this: About 65 million households in America have a dog. More then cats, more then hamsters, more then goldfish. Even more then the pythons that owners dump in the Florida swamps every year. These households spend billions every year on their dogs. If I were the US Mint I would put a dog on every coin congress would allow. There have been more then a few subjects on commemorative coins that I felt were contrived, going all the way back to the classic era of the 1930’s. Maybe service dogs should… Read more »

DAVESWFL

If the pictured dog is your dog’s breed then I’d agree. Too bad so many people have taken advantage of the term service dog as an excuse to take their dogs where the really don’t belong – grocery stores and restaurants come to mind. We have been dog owners and lovers since childhood, but I would never consider paying the mint’s commemorative prices for clad, silver, or gold doggie coins. Maybe several years down the road when you can get them near melt/face value, but not at issue price! Now the Space Force medal in silver is a different story.… Read more »

Rick

Christo, I guess the sales numbers will tell the story on this dog commem when all is said & done. I’ll also hold my breath as I simultaneously think for a second that this is something that will sell out on day one, or in 12 months. It will not. I love my std Yorkie doggie, and have spent thousands on her over the years(well, my wife has). But in my opinion for the USM to(arguably)reduce itself(once again) to the many world mints that already strike these up, it just goes to show you where the Mint is heading in… Read more »

Christo

Whitman Publishing (Red Book) puts out a great book on commems. Anyone with any interest in learning about the classic commemorative coin era should give it a read. Congress has approved, and the mint has produced, far less deserving coins in its past then one for service dogs. Just saying.

Rick

I’ll check out the book, as I’m a learner. I’ve also been disappointed more than once on commems and their potential market value later on, like the Braille UNC for example. Yet I still give in to Commem temptation, just not for the dog, sorry. This year I have bought all PM versions of Greatest Generation Commems(sans unc $1). I agree with you on more deserving coins. I for one find many of the State Half Dollar commems to be stunning, Texas is a great example(if they count?)… My overall point(from the start of this article)was that the Mint is… Read more »

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Rick,
The latter are the mints located where almost nothing ever happens commemorating subjects from many thousands of miles away.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Christo,
That’s a very valid point about the far less deserving coins in its [the Mint’s] past and one that I surely have no desire or choice but to agree with.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Would that imply that since more households have guns than dogs the next thing we can look forward to from the Mint is a flood of gold coins depicting AR-15s and corresponding silver medallions with Saturday Night Specials featured on them?

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Christo

Google is telling me otherwise on that but I suppose if the mint comes to believe most people consider their guns a loving part of the family like people do their dog, maybe so.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Christo,
While it looks as though I may have neglected my research, in my defense that theoretical coin subject was one selected off the top of my head; guns as such weren’t in any way to be perceived to be the thrust of my comment. By the way, thanks for that info; another bit of knowledge accumulated.

Kaiser Wilhelm

P.S. The above comment is absolutely not meant to be related to guns per se with regard to owning or not owning them but instead refers entirely to how many of anything exists in the average American household. Strictly speaking, if kitchen appliances were of interest to coin collectors I’m quite confident the Mint would issue a series of coins in honor of microwaves, toasters and blenders.

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Kia99

Now I really had to laugh over that one, Kaiser! Neither Pobjoy or Fiji mints have even issued coins to commemorate the introduction of kitchen appliances! The US Mint has done a lot better with it’s own issues than the ones Congress has insisted they produce.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Kia99,
Happy to oblige, my friend. Put those Mints on alert because the more I ponder this situation the longer the list becomes: exotically carved bamboo professional gardening implements, secondary market automobile parts installation manuals, certified gender neutral assorted naughty bits hygiene products, futuro-automatic self-cleaning toilet seat initiators, one hundred percent recycled natural paper all-purpose party decorations. There’s just no end in sight as to what can conceivably be commemorated on coins.

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REB

I thought that’s what the innovation coins are about.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Yes, but they couldn’t cover all the territory on the first go-around.

Major D

“I thought that’s what the innovation coins are about.”

That’s a good one REB!

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Major D and REB,
You are absolutely right Major D. All I can add is shame on me for overlooking a worthy acknowledgement in that regard, REB!

Kia99

Maybe we can look forward to brass coins that commemorate the microwave oven or the Veg-o-matic chopper. Meanwhile gold and silver goes to the dogs. Probably one of the most benign actions congress can take. I should be happy.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Kia99,
Splendidly imaginative, my friend, but IMHO perhaps a just a tad over-optimistic. The Mint’s Handy Household Appliance Commemorative Coin Series will likely be made of recycled soda cans.

REB

“The Mint’s Handy Household Appliance Commemorative Coin Series will likely be made of recycled soda cans.”

Funny stuff, Kaiser. I wonder if the dog coins should be lovingly packaged in luxurious canine hair clamshells.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Thanks, REB.

“Funny stuff, Kaiser. I wonder if the dog coins should be lovingly packaged in luxurious canine hair clamshells.”

As for your clever suggestion, I think both coin and dog lovers could thus pet and stroke their clamshells to their hearts’ content.

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Craig

Christo, I own two dogs and I haven’t a clue as to why anyone would want to buy a coin bearing an image of a dog on it. Especially considering the bloated prices one has to pay the mint these days for their expertise in pressing coins. I think even Magic Mike Mezack is going to have a hard time selling a ‘dog’ coin.
As far as the 65 million households having dogs, I wonder how many of them also collect coins from the mint?

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Craig,
I’m with you there. I realize that dog lovers buy oodles of dog magnets, dog keychains and dog calendars and such, but coins that will sell from over fifty to several hundred dollars a pop…I wouldn’t hold my breath.

Domenic Vaiasicca

seriously? Dogs…..i mean i lovem and all but ….a coin? i repeat again….i want a Walt Disney coin!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Domenic Vaiasicca,
Or as our very occasional contributor Sam “I Am” would say, “Run…Forrest…Run!

Major D

If anyone deserves a commemorative coin, it’s the most highly decorated soldier in US history- Audie Murphy. And 2025 would mark the 100th year since his birth. Why doesn’t Congress do this?

REB

I could go for that … and the 1927 New York Yankees in 2027. 2025 might be a tough slog for a military-themed commemorative. The 250th Marine Corps Anniversary Commemorative Coin has already been approved for ’25.

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Major D

1 in 5 of our commemoratives since 1982 have been military themed. There were two in 2012, two in 2011 and two in 1991. And three in 1994 under the Veterans Program. And five in 2018 if you count each service branch medal. 2024 Greatest Generation 2022 National Purple Heart Hall of Honor 2019 American Legion 2018 World War I Centennial 2013 Five Star Generals 2012 National Infantry 2012 Star Spangled Banner 2011 Medal of Honor 2011 US Army 2010 American Veterans Disabled for Life 2005 Marine Corps 230th Anniversary 2002 West Point Bicentennial 1998 Black Revolutionary Patriots 1995 Civil… Read more »

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Kaiser Wilhelm

And if the Space Force emulates the heretofore prescribed pattern of the combat history of our various Armed Forces, our numismatic descendants (provided there are any) can look forward to the U.S. Mint’s 2285 “Battle of Olympus Mons” Mars Planetary Command Commemorative series.

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Rick

It seems that the Mint has had a “Dogged” determination for the Military themed Commems over the last 20-30 years(pun intended)… I’m with REB, and I’ll take it a bit further than He. How about a Commem every couple of years? For example a release every ‘even year’ in between the Liberty offerings(a Commem of sorts too?). That way every year, a collector can get something special/unique in Silver and/or Gold. Just a thought?.. As an aside, now the Mint want’s $3420 for the “Sold Out” L&B Gold lol. Most likely a pricing grid change-up that barely made it through?..But… Read more »

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Major D

But if every ‘even year’ then the Marine Corps wouldn’t get a 270th Anniversary one in 2045! Oh, the humanity! But getting back to Audie Murphy, he deserves to be recognized IMO.

REB

It’s interesting that the Marine Corps gets a 230th AND 250th commemorative – the only service or subject to get two (unless you count the 2020 privy-marked eagles as WWII commemoratives).

Kaiser Wilhelm

I have to believe, REB, that the Marine Corps has a special mystique not attached to the other Service Branches. Perhaps that is why science fiction books and movies/TV shows choose to employ the “Space Marine” trope to the exclusion of all others.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rick, Major D and REB, Remember, guys, it isn’t the Mint that is stipulating that all of these military-connected commemoratives must be produced; those directives are coming from the House of Representatives. Aside from the likely case that the lot of those Capitol Hill placeholders could give a half a hoot as to what the Mint does with its time, those shrewd re-election oriented congressmen just know they can never go wrong by showing support for American patriotism via the cause of honoring the country’s armed services, and repeatedly so in case their constituents happen to have short memories. Maybe… Read more »

Rick

Yes, correct thank you. The directives are coming from the House(and shouldn’t imo).

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rick,
You’re of course welcome, and I definitely second your opinion.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Ouch, REB, I’ve always been a big Brooklyn Dodgers fan myself, but hey, each to his own, right? Good point in regard to the great unlikelihood of a military doubling-up in the Mint’s 2025 Commemorative Coin lineup. So much for that.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Leave it to you, Major D, to come up with and bring to our cumulative attention one of the most inescapably relevant and very much deserving possible honorees all the rest of of us seem to have completely missed! “Major” kudos for that, my friend!

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VinnieC

Major D,
I wonder if there is a qualifying Audie Murphy beneficiary for the surcharge or if that is a requirement for commemorative coins. I’ve been reading about commemoratives since this article and thread. Here was interesting article in Coin World. It mentioned one where the recipient organization shut down before being paid the proceeds from the surcharge and another shut down afterwards.

https://www.coinworld.com/news/us-coins/commemorative-coin-surcharges-not-automatic.html

However some things are too long to read for fun:

https://www.usmint.gov/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Surcharge-Recipient-Organizations-Compliance-Procedures-for-Surcharge-Eligibility-and-Payments.pdf

Kaiser Wilhelm

VinnieC,
The concept of the necessity for a “surcharge receiving entity” would appear to be a bit of a gray area, especially considering there’s no guarantee as such that any commemorated organization will receive the surcharge funds anyway unless a certain sales threshhold has been crossed. By the way, many thanks for giving us the link to that very comprehensive article; I just learned more about how the surcharge program works from that than I have anywhere else before.

Rick

VinnyC, Gang,
Just a heads up. This site will only allow one link per comment without an approval delay. I think it’s a default delay whether Unser and gang are working, or off for the weekend & Holidays. You can post one link, and a photo with no delay. This is what I’ve picked up since I’m not too far back from Kaiser in the ‘post a million images’ department!
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VinnieC

Thanks Rick,
I had posted a reply about Major D’s suggestion for Audie Murphy commemoratives. Sounds like a good choice, but I was wondering if there would have to be an “Audie Murphy 100” organization or something similar to sponsor it. I mistake of adding two links: 1) Coin World story about Surcharge payment and 2) US Mint rules for beneficiary organization (I forget the proper term). Now that post is in limbo. 🙂

Kaiser Wilhelm

Traditionally, VinnieC, hell is permanent but limbo is temporary, so your comment with the two links may well see the light of day here yet. Let’s hope so!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rick,
It’s helpful to know there’s an algorithm lurking around. Beware of the House Bot!

Rick

Kaiser,
Yes, I have my virtual Bot fly swatter nearby. Better yet, I’ll get out my trusty Tin Foil Hat just in case!

KITCO has Pd consistently at a $40 spread +/-…
Silver & Gold are always higher spot over at APMEX, if that is your reference? Beware of the “only $x.xx over spot” deals at APMEX, you might just be overpaying a bit because of “spotflation” going on over there?… Where’s that Tin Hat of mine!?!…

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rick, It goes without saying that whichever State you happen to call your own has an absolute claim to the rights for a depiction of the “Virtual Bot Fly Swatter” when its turn comes around again in the case of the Mint producing yet another series of those bright and shiny Innovation Coins! By the way, what a spectacularly handy and universally applicable tool that swatter must be (not to mention what a truly splendid imagination lies behind that concept’s creation, I just have to say)! My specific reference, Rick, is to the fact that I’m more than a little… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Incidentally, I keep my own Tin Foil Hat at the ready 24/7; after all, you just never know when the imperative occasion might present itself!

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Rick

If I could just get those pesky little spam/junk bots from infiltrating my emails; “alert” your subscription will be cancelled! McAfee Support!, Camp Lejeune! And so on!
My imagination does run amok occasionally I’ll admit!
Even my D- in math doesn’t let me ignore the Spot shenanigans that APMEX has going on imo. Not to mention some “Fuzzy Math” going on in the Pd dept….
https://www.apmex.com/product/96067/1-gram-palladium-bar-argor-heraeus

PS: The Foil Hat is becoming a fashion trend right here in the Columbine State! Photo below!

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Rick

And just to be completely fair. The Tin Foil Hat Craze is spreading across the Nation!

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Rick

My apologies, for a second there I thought that I was on topic!
For example: Isn’t Tin Foil on the verge of becoming a Precious Metal!?! lol

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Rick,
Fear not, for stray from the straight and narrow you have not.

True story: Napoleon’s best tableware was made of aluminum since in his day it was so scarce it was much pricier than gold.

Tin coins, on the other hand, are what we peons will be buying once the precious metals exceed our top limits. Unless, that is, aluminum makes a comeback with a better offer.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Truth be told, the Carousel of Progress is no more.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Three little letters, Rick: ABP, and it’s free! Works like a charm!
Yes, “pollution of Camp Lejeune”; ambulance chasers’ heaven.
If I didn’t have imagination I’d have no comprehension at all!
APMEX Pd gram price…merely 150% over spot; no biggee.
Fashion Houses of Italy; designing the red carpet tin foil hat now!

Kaiser Wilhelm

There’s still a $100 difference between the Bid and Ask for Palladium. Any ideas on that?

Kaiser Wilhelm

Random factoid for your general edification. If the price of gold and silver were to be based strictly on the ratio of the amount of gold to silver currently availailable, i.e. above ground in the world, the price of gold would theoretically be set at around 8 times the price of silver. However, due to there apparently being any number of other visible and/or not so visible factors going into the relative pricing of gold and silver the price of gold is at the moment set at roughly 74 times the price of silver.

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Rick

Bring on the Gold & Silver from above ground I’d say!
Sarah Connor and I are ready and waiting for that Neutron Star Collision!
Just don’t stand too close, you could get a Sunburn Lol…

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Love the comment and the meme, Rick; spot on! 🙂 By the way, allegedly more than half of the physical gold in the world is in the form of jewelry. Which as a fun guess might imply that the people of India have more gold adorning their persons than China has in all of its vaults. Another factoid: monetarily speaking, there are multiple times the amount of actual gold being traded and held at any given time, meaning that if there was ever a call for all of the real thing to be delivered to its owners there would be… Read more »

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Rick

Back on topic from the USM. Interesting, and a surprise to me is that the L&B Gold is down 2 pcs., and the Silver is down 35 pcs. I would’ve(well, I did)predicted that that number of returns/issues would’ve been higher? Maybe it’s too early to tell since the shipments went out about a week ago(and a holiday).. Next week, or the next could tell us more on what’s next in the wacky L&B world?

Last edited 22 days ago by Rick
REB

“wacky L&B world”

Indeed.

Kaiser Wilhelm

“Spinnin’ wheel got to go ’round.”

Kaiser Wilhelm

At the moment, Rick, it might just be the weight of the Precious Metal Bulls ruling the pen.