U.S. Mint Offers Free American Liberty Gold Coin with Purchase

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Until Aug. 15, U.S. Mint customers can receive a free 2018-W $10 American Liberty 1/10 Ounce Gold Coin when they buy a 2018-W $100 American Liberty 1 Ounce Gold Coin.

CoinNews photo 2017-W $100 American Liberty Gold Coin (obverse and reverse)
This CoinNews photo shows a 2017-W $100 American Liberty Gold Coin (obverse and reverse sides)

The two-for-one special has no household ordering limits. Sales quantities, however, are limited to in-stock inventory.

The .9999 fine 24-karat gold coins are struck in the collector finish of proof. Proofs are the U.S. Mint’s highest quality coin. They feature frosted foregrounds and mirror-like backgrounds. (As an example, see more photos of a 2017 American Liberty gold coin.)

Both coins share the same designs and major specifications, with key differences between their sizes, denominations, and edges.

American Liberty Gold Coin Specifications

2017 1 ounce 2018 1/10 ounce
Denomination: $100 $10
Finish: Proof Proof
Composition: 99.9% gold 99.9% gold
Gold Fine Weight: 1.000 troy oz. 0.1000 troy oz.
Diameter: 1.205 inches (30.61 mm) 0.650 inch (16.50 mm)
Edge: Lettered Reeded
Mint and Mint Mark: West Point – W West Point – W
Privy Mark: None None

 

Edges of the larger $100 gold coin carry lettering of "225TH ANNIVERSARY" in three places with a five-point star before and after each instance. Edges of the $10 gold coin are reeded.

The larger coin is also struck in high relief.

Current American Liberty Coin Sales

U.S. Mint sales through July 31 show the 2017 $100 coin at 35,907 and the 2018 $10 gold coin at 49,591. Originally, the Mint placed the authorized mintages for each at 100,000 and 135,000, respectively.

Changing Prices for American Liberty Gold Coins

Pricing of U.S. Mint gold coins can adjust weekly depending on market conditions. Current prices for the Mint’s gold products are based on LBMA gold that averages within $1,750.00 to $1,799.99 an ounce.

Released April 6, 2017, the $100 gold coin opened at $1,640 based on LBMA gold that was within $1,250.00 and $1,299.99 an ounce.

Released Feb. 8, 2018, the $10 gold coin started at $215 based on LBMA gold that was within $1,300.00 and $1,349.99 an ounce.

Titled Special Bonus Offer – Limited Time Only, an email for the special was sent to customers Aug. 1. At that time and until Wednesday, the gold pieces sold for $2,665 and $330.

Following higher gold prices, they are now $2,715 and $335 apiece, meaning the special now saves customers $335.

Ordering

The Mint’s online page for the promotion is located here.

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Major D

There are 638 of the 2017-1 oz, and 11,697 of the 2018 1/10 oz, available as of noon today. 1.1 oz for $2,715 is $694.45 over today’s spot price ($2,715/1.1 minus $1,773.73).

Kaiser Wilhelm

Major D,

After those remaining 638 of the 2017 1 oz. Liberty Gold Coins are gone, that will be the end of the bonus combo sales which include the 2018 1/10 oz. at no charge. I suppose we can assume the 1/10 oz. then returns to its regular price of $335.

Major D

Kaiser, you’re being erased on some threads. You might want to check into that.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Quite honestly, that was me, Major D, who had initiated that move myself after my two recent seriously disturbing encounters with the ceaselessly antagonistic senza were simply too upsetting for me to want to continue my participation here. As they say, one bad apple can spoil the bunch.

Fortunately upon further consideration I realized my interesting exchanges with you, Major D, and our many fine fellow collectors here more than made up for all of the aggravation generated by the relentlessly rude antics of what can only be described as one extremely annoying individual.

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SENZA

WoW an admission to what I have said all along – but I’m called a conspirator and said to be making it all up – yet here is everything I said coming to fruition AND you still can’t even get your imaginary friends to go along with your madness.

Get some help – you desperately need it

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Jeff Legan

Senza,
Nobody ever claimed you were wrong about Kaiser Wilhelm deleting his comments. Not that I saw, anyway. I am continuing to call bull on your “multiple personality” claim. Which I see you still cannot let go off. The person who needs help here is you, Insecure SENZA.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Bizarre as it sounds, Jeff, you are likely not in any danger of getting in that miscreant’s crosshairs since if I didn’t lose track yet you appear to be none other than our resident narcissist’s Imaginary Adversary #2.

This actually reminds me of that very bizarre British spy series “The Prisoner” in which all the former clandestine operatives were imprisoned in an extremely remote and isolated compound and thenceforth referred to only by their officially assigned numbers. Hmmm…history repeats itself, in a really goofy sort of way.

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Jeff Legan

Yeah, I actually used a quote from “The Prisoner” the other day in reply to SENZA- “I am not a number…”. Well, I quoted it from Iron Maiden, but they got it from “The Prisoner”.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Jeff, I have to admit I missed that reference, especially considering that was one of my favorite shows; “appointment television” I believe is the terminology now.

I’m also sorry to say I remember Iron Maiden more for their huge private 747 than I do for their music, but then, we each have our preferred interests, and I’ve long been an aviation buff.

Jeff Legan

My favorite era of aviation is the WWI era. There is an aerodrome in Rhinebeck, NY that I found worth visiting.

Kaiser Wilhelm

That’s so funny, Jeff, that individuals gravitate almost instinctively to certain eras when it comes to the history of aviation, all the way from the early Wright Brothers’ beginnings of flight to the most up to date commercial airliners and military jets. My personal niche is WWII, what with the likes of the B-17s, Spitfires and P-51 Mustangs reigning supreme. Not that I don’t keep up with the latest aeronautic developments as they appear; there’s always something interesting coming from Boeing, Airbus and McDonnell-Douglas these days. The biggest difference other than technology is cost; you could probably have purchased all… Read more »

SENZA

Reminder – your are an irrelevant figment of Kaiser’s imagination

You are lower than his imaginary Major D

However, I left $5.00 on your Mom’s dresser and .25 cents is yours just to keep it coin relevant.

And to all of Kaiser’s imaginary friends please remember

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Kaiser Wilhelm

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Kaiser Wilhelm

It’s clearly too much for you to deal with coprophilia, sexual fantasies and hallucinations all at once. Take a break.

Jeff Legan

Speaking of irrelevant….
If I am lower than Major D, I am still looking down on you.
You sure that was not your mother’s own dresser? You do not even know what state my mother’s dresser would be in. Everyone knows you are a liar now, nevermind how unoriginal that little mother bit was. Are you sure you are not a teenager masquerading as an adult on this site?
And yes, yes, we all know by now you contain more crap by volume than anyone on the planet. Are you having fun?

Kaiser Wilhelm

Yakety yak.

Kaiser Wilhelm

How good could it feel to be that crass, crude and nasty? You’re not at all surprisingly totally classless, Senseless!

Kaiser Wilhelm

The only crap here is you, butthead.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Tsk tsk tsk.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Might as well put a big fat cork in it, dingbat. You’re very boring.

SENZA

Internet bullying is a crime and we have detected your discus account with your additional imaginary friends – it’s all coming unraveled for you

  1. Imaginary Friends
  2. Memories that are not real
  3. Incorrect belief that you are someone historically important
  4. erasing and denying your past
  5. Hiding your past actions
  6. making accusations that are clearly FALSE
  7. Blaming everyone but yourself – it must have been the trolls.
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Jeff Legan

SENZA, you may think you are helping your cause here. You are just letting everyone else see how pitiful you are. Nothing like doubling down on childish behavior to prove how superior you are, right SENZA? Do you realize you are actually proving the opposite? Do you not even see that? You must be at least as old as I am, based on your past comments. You should have outgrown this type of behavior long ago. How come you have not? What part of laying off the insults do you still not get, SENZA? And you sure do love those… Read more »

Major D

Yikes senza, I’m having trouble finding the coin in your “coin talk” amongst all the noise….

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Kaiser Wilhelm

This Unsub long ago crawled out from under his rock.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Is there a shotput account also, nimrod?

Antonio

No. 3, I am. As a coin collector, I’m preserving the past for the future. That’s important.

Kaiser Wilhelm

senseless vitriol,

reading your own medical chart again, are you? I’m sure at the bottom it says “mark this craphead for emergency disposal”

Gunny Wheeler

I’m a GRUNT since 1963. In my opinion anyone who finds fault with any PURPLE HEART recipient in a public place, like a public soap box, should hold that opinion close to their heart, until the guy who was wounded for life -or worse, _died so you could have time to mature your opinion. Your opinion will season as time moves on and your brain becomes fully developed. If you find fault with any of us who EARNED The Purple Heart, you didn’t spend enough time trapped on 3 sides by VC doing their best to KILL YOU. A. Lincoln… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

“Gunny Wheeler” aka On Budget Tree Service 352-322-6305, (Note to my fellow CoinNews.net coin collectors: click on Gunny Wheeler in the original comment and see where it takes you) Nice to see you in your “wheelchair” holding that mutt in your hands. This total farce is obviously being perpetrated at SENZA aka Senseless’s request since he’s now clearly run out of any and all other remaining ammunition. You Florida boys need to get and stay out of the heat more…what’s left of your brains has been fried well beyond usefulness. Note that there’s ever been a single mention by anyone… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

By the way, sad errant Senseless, is there no depth you will not stoop to in your feeble scrambling to rescue your already long demolished “reputation”? It is now no longer difficult for me to believe that you will blithely take anyone unfortunate enough to be in your constantly shrinking orbit down with you as you approach ever closer to your inevitable disgrace and increasingly unavoidable disintegration.

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Jeff Legan

I did not understand where this came from until I read Kaiser Wilhelm’s reply to you. I have been closely following the comments here as of 8/1 and did not see any fault finding by anyone but SENZA here (or do you think constructive criticism is “finding fault”? They are actually different.)–until I started returning his insults to sender. So you are implying SENZA has a Purple Heart. That would his explain his rage but does not excuse it. I thank you and SENZA for your service. You might want to take a look at all of SENZA’s comments back… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Jeff, Other than the simple fact that when you click on the “Gunny Wheeler” avatar name you are quite unusually taken directly to a commercial website, the other hints at the sort of skullduggery afoot in that comment were two specific phrases – as per his style insults as “comments” – written in clear, obvious and unmistakable “SENZA-ese”, as follow: “…so you have time to mature your opinion” “Your opinion will season as time moves on and your brain becomes fully developed.” Whether or not SENZA got permission from this “Gunny Wheeler” person who appears on that website or just… Read more »

Jeff Legan

Hi Kaiser Wilhelm, While I am leaning towards your explanation, I do find it possible SENZA was complaining about his woes to his war buddy who made an appearance here to defend his old comrade-in-arms (how different a person SENZA probably was, young and without the wound induced rage coursing through his veins now. Assuming any of it is true, that is. SENZA does not have a lot of credibility with me right now, but I am not ready to brand him a 100% liar). The great thing is if he is real, he will either have to (1) go… Read more »

Major D

Jeff, I must say that this gets more bizarre every day. As I check in and try to understand I will offer some observations. 1) in the Feb 18 article thread, he states “we are a Marine family”…. and later on, he refers to his grandfather and says that the Mint/government is “leaching off the military” by adding $10 surcharges for each NPH silver $ to be paid to the National Purple Heart Hall of Fame Facility (I find this to be an odd thing to say about something funding the NPH HOF Facility); 2) in the March 24 article… Read more »

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Good catch there, Major D. I’m beginning to see that there is a good chance that said Gunnery Sergeant Wheeler is no more than a poor, totally unwitting dupe in this limply imagined and shamefully underhanded contrivance by the reflexively Machiavellian, deeply disturbed Senseless. Your observations, analyses and calculations considerably narrow the field of “fake news” down to whatever remaining miniscule realistic possibilities might still exist and as such substantially tighten the noose around yet another passel of lies once again being perpetrated by the usual serial offender for his own typical and standard nefarious purposes. Another thought I had… Read more »

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Jeff Legan

Hi Major D, It is bizarre. Thanks for all this info. I am still not 100% sure he is a total liar, but with your new info, I am definitely closer than I was just an hour ago. I was just thinking to myself a few hours ago how nice it will be when this is over. I do not usually post this often, or check the site this many times a day. I often do not look at all on weekends. When this is over, SENZA will have either re-joined Humanity, or left this site. Either one is ok… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Jeff, There are indeed three very distinct possibilities in play here; ignorance, malice and mental illness. Ignorance can be cured with knowledge, but I tend to think that this is not the problem here since he seems to have plenty of that but simply chooses to ignore it. Malice is a bit harder to deal with, since it doesn’t involve the intellectual but rather the emotional. This could be more likely, but it’s not really a good explanation. My money is on some form of mental illness since his unsolicited repetitive rude scribblings seem reminiscent of a variety of written… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Major D,

I’m all for returning to a full-on discussion of our favorite hobby!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Jeff, Either I am just more skeptical and possibly even more cynical than you will ever be or you have a very much more trusting and generously forgiving persona. In any case, it is simply no longer possible for me to accept anything whatsoever that either comes out of SENZA’s mouth or is portrayed to originate from an alleged, so-called Vietnam “war buddy” of his. Just this outlandishly peculiar timing alone, which is to say at the exact same moment at which SENZA seems to be completely nonplussed for once, for there to appear this bizarre out of nowhere message… Read more »

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Jeff Legan

I do not blame you, Kaiser Wilhelm. I can afford to be nicer to him because he has done no damage to me. I have reached the point you have reached with SENZA in the past, but only twice in my life. And long ago. At least 30 years ago for the last one.

Kaiser Wilhelm

I actually hate for this to be happening at all because I spent a lifetime being exceedingly uncomfortable with confrontation; only within the last couple of decades have I become pro-active in standing up for myself. Life is too difficult, confusing and short to have to put up with the ingrained a-holes of the world, and when one of them invades what should be a peaceful place perpetually spewing his vitriol I begin to have thoughts I would hesitate to express out loud. ‘Nuff said.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

If you don’t collect coins, find another place to tell your fibs to.

Kaiser Wilhelm

What I enjoyed the most about the comment SENSELESS wrote while pretending to be “Gunny Wheeler” – sheesh, what a transparent fool – was his usual “brain becomes fully developed” routine, a dead giveaway of Senselessness if there ever was one. Even here in the midst of writing a fake story he couldn’t keep his reptilian instincts in check. What a sad example of what pretends to be a human being.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Senseless’s return to this site like nothing has occurred and with his obnoxious behavior and offensive attitude intact is completely unacceptable. His arrogant refusal to take any responsibility for his disruptive actions has now resulted in his deceptive misuse of the On Budget Tree Service’s commercial IP Address and Company Name and the malicious circumstances involved with same having been relayed to that corporation for them to deal with as this situation may well involve a case of identity theft. Since he obviously doesn’t grasp the concept of consequences the only way to bring these to his attention is to… Read more »

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Jeff Legan

Maybe it is his own business. He used it because it was a different address. Wouldn’t that be funny.

Kaiser Wilhelm

I can’t see senseless vitriol in anything but monkey business.

Chris

Bought one back in 2017. Sold it this year for the 2022 Gold proof Sovereign set. Made a profit on it but seems this one wasn’t as popular. Need to get rid if them some how

SENZA

Old News !

Here is New News and the payoff for the work I do exposing corruption at the US Mint.

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SENZA

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SENZA

WHERE ARE ALL THE GUTLESS COWARD ACCUSER’S WHO SAID I’M A CONSPIRACY THEORIST AND I DON’T TALK ABOUT COINS ??????????????

Your silence is golden to me and yet speaks volumes-

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Jeff Legan

Ohoh. SENZA must be really mad now. He brought out the dreaded caps lock! oh no! Run! Just kidding, I am still here. This has to be your most pointless posting yet. Bonus: a spelling error in the meme! Keep it up SENZA, you are doing great!

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Major D

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Oh, puleaze.

Kaiser Wilhelm

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Speech is silver, but silence is golden.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Your obsession with me is astounding.

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SENZA

Are you sure about that!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Because the evidence says exactly the opposite; but that’s the problem with your illness – you can’t differentiate from the lies, fantasies and reality – please, please get some professional help

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SENZA

And just to keep it Coin relevant here is a token of my appreciation.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Your head is nearing explosion mode.

Jeff Legan

Keep it, it applies to you more than anyone else on this site.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Apart from an admittedly sick variety of “entertainment” value your dim-bulb presence here is a monumental embarrassment to this site. I don’t know what happened in your childhood that was never resolved to drive you to these extremes but quite frankly I really don’t care. Alleged adults who don’t resolve their dirty diaper issues have no excuse to complain, so stop your immature whining and get a life. No one wants or needs you here.

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Jeff Legan

“monumental embarrassment”, “immature whining”, “no one wants or needs you here”–Spot on, Kaiser Wilhelm! Anyone other than SENZA disagree with Kaiser Wilhelm’s statement? If anyone thinks this is being totally unfair to SENZA, now would be the time to speak up.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Thanks, Jeff. I would like to claim it took some work but it was just so easy.

Jeff Legan

Well, here we are two days later and nobody has come forth to defend your behavior, SENZA. Can you finally get the message?

Jeff Legan

SENZA,
I have gotten the impression over the past few years of observing your comments that you could choose to be an asset here. You seem to be computer literate, and you know a lot about online selling. Instead, you are just an ass(et phone home, SENZA does not want you here.).

Kaiser Wilhelm

That’s the real irony, Jeff, that Senseless is throwing everything away just to prove how useless he feels.

Kaiser Wilhelm

He was given every opportunity to behave and thereby redeem himself, but he chose the path of animosity instead and threw all his credibility and good faith to the wind. Rarely have I had the great misfortune to encounter such a vehemently self-destructive personality. Since he’s now burned every last bridge and alienated everyone imaginable there is no recourse for him but to vanish into that infamous dustbin of history.

Jeff Legan

I am pretty easy going, so even now I would have no problem with his presence if he could refrain from throwing personal insults around. While I think it is a shame you have deleted your comments in the past and just recently (please do not do that again), in SENZA’s case it might be best to start fresh. Or he can leave them up as an example for others. Whatever he chooses to do, really. We can even continue trading insults if he is still enjoying himself.

Kaiser Wilhelm

I won’t allow myself to be driven to doing that to my own comments again, Jeff. If I could find out how to do that to his for the good of the site, that would be a much different story.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Turning a nice comment someone makes about you around to use it as a way of trying to prove something negative about them is one of the sickest forms of behavior imaginable. No wonder you have had such great success at becoming a complete pariah here.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Senseless, you’re walking on ever more uneasy ground here as you’re rapidly regressing from the simply laughable to the decidedly unwholesome.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Fever dreams of a life long failure.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Fantasy Island all over again.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Nonsense, Senseless.

Kaiser Wilhelm

We are now exposing the corruption of your dark soul, bigmouth.

Daniel

I feel like I’ve walked into a raging bar fight. I have no idea what is going on, and certainly don’t wish to join the melee. However … as an outsider looking in, I notice a lot of posts inevitably include political messages/memes. You US folk have an amazing talent at making everything about politics … and if someone is wearing the wrong colour tie, you instantly make your mind up about what sort of person they are, and that you can’t be friends. Why you would personally feel closely aligned to any politician is absolutely mind bending. They are… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Welcome back, Daniel. Some time no see. As a preliminary, nothing in the kerfuffle is connected with politics or religion. In short, within the last few weeks SENZA unilaterally declared that anyone who disagreed with him or contradicted anything he said was clearly an aspect of yours truly, Kaiser Wilhelm. Apparently I am currently appearing as seven (7) distinct personalities aka avatars on CoinNews.net. While this delirium began with me being the primary if indeed not the sole whipping boy, the moment anyone subsequently opened their mouth to question this bizarre interpretation two things happened to them: 1) they were… Read more »

Jeff Legan

Hi Daniel, thanks for your input. I think it was constructive. The only part I have slightly different view on is I do not care if someone here veers off topic occasionally, even into religion or politics, but we should never throw any personal insults into the conversations. Unfortunately, I think part of the reason our political sides do not get along anymore is because we have always been told we cannot talk about those subjects. I have been hearing this since my youth and I would say I have disagreed with it since I was about 17 (over 4… Read more »

Major D

Jeff, I disagree about having politics be a topic here- because it is too visceral and polarizing. That goes for cultural war topics, too. If we want to argue about coins- fine. But once you bring Trump, Biden, Clinton, Pelosi, immigration, 2nd amendment, wokeness, etc, etc into the conversation– it’s no longer about coins and I’m tired of having to respond to things that offend me to the core, such as insurrection, 2nd civil war, militias, totalitarianism, fascism, and Trumpism.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Major D, Jeff Legan and Daniel,

I beg of you all not to even verge on getting into any kind of even semi-serious disagreement at this critical juncture. I’m certain you don’t want to do anything that would either encourage or even worse re-energize “senza”.

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Jeff Legan

Do not worry, Kaiser Wilhelm. All good. This is a healthy conversation, not an unhealthy one. You can be sure this will be a germane subject in the future here eventually, so it is good we are discussing it now. Perhaps if this was discussed in the past SENZA’s behavior would not have grown to be such a problem. I promise that if we just cannot agree in the end I will not get angry. Not like I will be bringing up politics or religion much, anyway. I believe I do not post too many starting posts in general, I… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

We sure can, Jeff Legan, because if you subtract the Senseless One out of the equation we have been able to do so for as long as I can remember. It’s actually ironic to be talking about the discussion of so-called sensitive topics in regard to that agitator since if there’s one thing he doesn’t seem to care about is which side of the political divide you’re on because he hates all politicians and government institutions with equal fervor. His real forte is to do his best to fray and dissolve people’s confidence and belief in themselves, which I can’t… Read more »

Jeff Legan

Hi Major D, it will inevitably come up again here eventually. Unless it is banned. I really do not want to get into banning subjects here. Nothing I have ever said here was blocked, I kind of like that feature. And I think it is a feature, not a bug. Can we self-police? That is kind of where my no insult stuff is coming from. We will never heal our country until we can all talk about these subjects in a civilized matter. I think removing insults from the equation will go a long way towards keeping both sides talking… Read more »

Major D

yes, I’m afraid there is no choice but to self-police because there is no hall monitor on watch here. But I’m honestly tired of the trolling that occurs with the politics and culture war needling. Removing insults would be great- but doesn’t work if one side refuses to relent. My comparison to a hostile workplace is apt in the sense that invariably the behavior stops, or people leave.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Major D and Jeff Legan,

The kind of civilized conversation that you two have just demonstrated above will hopefully plant the seeds of many more such beautifully reasoned and entirely peaceful discussions to come. Thank you very much, gentlemen!

Jeff Legan

I did think your hostile workplace statement made earlier was fitting. Hmm, I would say political talk without insults would not be trolling, so nothing to do there. But if trolling always resulted in a reminder from any regular poster that sees it that personal (maybe no?) insults are not allowed on this site, I would imagine the majority would comply. Some quicker than others. I would like to think that poster’s of any political party or religion (or lack thereof) here could agree that a “no Insult” policy of some type is a good way to create a site… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Jeff Legan,

An enthusiastic YES to all of that. Good for you, Jeff, to be able to think that rationally in the midst of this Senseless turmoil.

REB

Agree here. Stick to coins. Ignore the rest.

Kaiser Wilhelm

We are, after all, Reb, here as coin collectors, nothing more.

Jeff Legan

Thanks for your input, REB.

Daniel

Just an interesting side note to something you said. In Australia, we too have a conservative and liberal party. I should say “we HAD”. The two sides of politics have actually drifted so far to the center, that we no longer have a left and right. The are in effect replaceable, without any disruption to the economy, government and associated processes. sure, the vocal extremes on both sides are still noisy … but the vast majority of the population are happy. We recently had a change in government, and my dyed in the wool conservative voting father was more than… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Daniel,

You have made me so jealous of your style of government; would that we had anything even close to that. Instead, our two major parties have veered so far apart, effectively in opposite directions, that we are now awash in discord, apprehension, dissension, animosity, intolerance, division, fear and aggression. In all my years I have never seen this country so riled up that there is constant talk of revolution, separation and civil war. It is as if a not so divine madness has the entire nation in its grip.

REB

Might be time to start collecting Australian coins as a first step to moving there.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Not a bad idea at all, REB. Believe me, it has crossed my mind.

Jeff Legan

We sure have covered a lot of ground today. Thanks for contributing. Your first post set off quite a flurry of replies. I cannot believe how much time I have spent on this site today. Gotta be a record for me. It has been nice chatting with you, Daniel. Take care.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Jeff Legan,

I think that goes for everyone that contributed their heart out here today. This is the first time in ages it has felt like we have all come together for and with a restorative common purpose. Hallelujah!

Major D

Daniel, I couldn’t agree more about the politics and political memes having a hugely divisive effect here. Please do me a favor and look at who is posting it- and how many are done so is a very obnoxious and offensive manner across many, many threads over many, many months- and not just involving politics but also misogyny, nativism, bullying and homophobia. I have a feeling it will be mostly one person- senza. If this were a workplace, it would be a hostile one. What you’re seeing now is a calling-out of the bully because CoinNews has been completely silent… Read more »

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Major D, Jeff, and Daniel, I have to the best of my 75 year old ability attempted to “walk back in my mind” to the previous time a for all practical purposes identical situation arose and existed here on this very site. In fact, no matter how hard I have tried to dissuade myself of this possibility, I simply have not been successful in shaking my belief that this “senza” is none other than the most unwelcome return of an equally troublesome and comparably spiteful character by the name of “milhouse” who haunted these comment threads for at least several… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Excellent summary of exactly what has been going on, Major D. Major Kudos!

Rich

Sir Kaiser, I wish there was something I could say to help in this trying situation, but alas, What’s Words Worth. I feel bad for what has happened here and hope tomorrow ushers in a new day. But mostly I am saddened to know how deeply you’ve been hurt. You are the voice, heart and soul of this site’s commentary. If not for you, I never would have posted my first comment here because I saw how positive, supportive and encouraging you were to everyone. As I loudly said many months ago, Sir Kaiser Rules!

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Jeff Legan

I feel exactly the same Rich. You said it all so well. Sir Kaiser Rules!
Take that SENZA!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Jeff Legan and Good Sir Rich,

What indeed would I do without the likes of you to communicate with here? You guys are the greatest!

Jeff Legan

Thanks Kaiser Wilhelm! And on that high note, I will call it a night.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Good Sir Rich, your wonderfully kind words are like a soothing and reviving balm to my soul. I’m not sure why senza chose me as his primary and perpetual target going back well over five or six years ago. It could simply be that like many an unfettered bully he has a knack for smelling blood and somehow glommed onto the fact that much of my prior life has been spent in extremely trying and draining situations doing my best to cope with terribly cold and abusive people. I’m so glad that I have had some small part in encouraging… Read more »

J S

Here for coin collecting.
And how to navigate purchases on the U.S. Mint website. 2021…ugh.
Mint purchases go well? Credit the Mint.
Mint purchases go FUBAR, bureaucrats should be accountable.
So, I say so.
I also like the peeps who post “how many coins” are actually made.
Why? I’m interested in low mintage totals. Maybe you are, too. I love data.

If site drifts deep into anything but coins … gone.

Jeff Legan

Hi J S,
Thanks for your take. I think we are in agreement. I do not mind occasionally going off topic. I do not think that qualifies as “deep”. Please do not hold the last 7 days of comments against me because I have been dealing with SENZA. Not a lot of coin topics there, though I did squeeze some in.

Kaiser Wilhelm

No one, Jeff, will ever hold your yeoman efforts regarding senza, those that were expended to either bring him under some semblance of control or if not then to remove him from the premises, up to any kind of criticism or judgment. It was painfully obvious that as long as he continued to be here in his present condition this site was doomed to being utterly disorganized and hopelessly rancorous.

Kaiser Wilhelm

J S,

Let’s make sure you are never given a reason to leave!

joera

If we keep our minds and thoughts on what most of us come here for, NUMISMATICS, we would not regret our own comments and in return the comments of others. It’s like the butterfly effect, one thing leads to another and do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Now I’m posting off the subject. So who am I to say anything about our comments. I’m a person who wants to grow, learn and expand his knowledge on different subjects. But on this site I want to keep it on the subject at hand and not be… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Excellent thoughts and sentiments, joera, and I feel bad that of late we have been so busy trying to clear out the resident troublemaker that we haven’t had much time to concentrate on our original purpose here. He is a curse and a black cloud, but hopefully some day soon both will be lifted.

joera

It’s none of my business what you or anyone else feels about other people on this site. But enough is enough. Don’t feed it. Go back and read all the comments, just on this page. All of them, even yours. See how long it takes you just to read them. And as you go along keep track of how many comments are about our hobby, and how many, IMHO, are useless insults and name calling. Someone else came along and read the comments and thought they walked into a “bar fight!” A real bar fight would be better because it… Read more »

Jeff Legan

Hi joera, Thanks for your latest contribution. A bit of difference on your bar fight part of it, though. A bar fight would not be better because the only blood spilled here is virtual. Everyone gets to go home from here at the end of the day (assuming they ever left their home, that is). SENZA would never make it out of the bar alive if this was in the real world, it would be the whole bar against SENZA. Hell, even the bartender would probably join in. Maybe even the owner. While I doubt SENZA will take the right… Read more »

joera

I have been coming here for years on and off and have seen people come and go but I have not seen anything close to what it is today. I’ve been collecting since my late 20s and learning all the time from other collectors. That is why I used to read all the comments. There’s always someone that is going to disagree with someone else but as far as all the name calling and insults, never like this. Most of the users here I do not remember from past years. I have used other names besides joera but all include… Read more »

Jeff Legan

Thanks for sharing some of your personal history as well as your history with this site, Joe. I will continue to call you Joe instead of joera in the future unless you tell me different next time you post a reply to me. When I was young I preferred competition to cooperation, trying to figure out how I compared to others in my abilities. As I grew older, I steadily lost my faith in religion, and I steadily gained a respect for the value of an individual’s life in the here and now rather than in the hereafter. The more… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

I know you meant well, joera, but physical violence never solved anything, nor does criticizing what others are saying while replicating same. It seems we all ought to take a good hard look in the mirror.
Incidentally, I honestly believe that if you were to review a certain individual’s noxious comments going back many years you would have a better understanding of what has actually been going on here.

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joera

I have been here and I have seen all the comments going back many years. I have seen people come and go and there are some users that I actually do miss and wish I would have exchanged contact information with them. I took a hard look in the mirror and you are right. I have no right to say anything to you or anybody else on this site. If I don’t like it then I shouldn’t even be here. I just have one more comment to post and that will be the last you hear from me. Thanks for… Read more »

Jeff Legan

Another great post, joera.

joera

Jeff, Thanks for your replies and you can address me as Joe. No problem. I hope this hobby continues to be something you enjoy for many years to come and be proud of your collection. Best Wishes, Joe

Jeff Legan

Thanks for the kind words, Joe. Best Wishes to you as well. I read your comment to Kaiser Wilhelm, your opinions are as valid as anyone else’s here and I was glad to hear them. This is supposed to be your site, too. Your comments came at just the right time to help us neutralize SENZA. I hope you will eventually decide to change your mind and comment again in the future. Perhaps when we are mostly talking about coins here again. Take care of yourself, Joe. I enjoyed our conversation.