2021-S Proof American Silver Eagle (Type 2) Launch

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Hitting the shelves today from the United States Mint is its "Type 2" 2021-S Proof American Silver Eagle. The strike continues the series which dates back to 1986, but it features an enhanced obverse, a brand new reverse design, and a new reeded edge variation.

Product images of Type 2 2021-S Proof American Silver Eagle
U.S. Mint product images of a 2021-S Proof American Silver Eagle (Type 2). Each coin arrives encapsulated and within a black presentation box adorned with the United States Mint seal. An outer sleeve incorporating an image of the new coin’s reverse design is also included as well as a Certificate of Authenticity bearing an image of the obverse.

This coin is produced to collector proof quality at the San Francisco Mint and carries the facility’s denoting “S” mintmark. It goes on sale beginning at Noon ET with an initial household order limit of three and a product limit of 200,000.

The updated and new imagery debuted a bit earlier this year on the investor-grade bullion 2021 American Silver Eagle and on a companion of sorts to this latest release, the West Point Mint’s collector Type 2, 2021-W Proof American Silver Eagle which launched last month and sold out in minutes.

Type 2, 2021-W Proof American Silver Eagle (obverse)
A CoinNews photo of the obverse or heads side of a West Point Mint-struck 2021-W Proof American Silver Eagle (Type 2). This same, refreshed design is featured on the San Francisco Mint-struck coin released today.

American Silver Eagle obverses (heads side) have always featured Adolph A. Weinman’s Liberty design as first seen on 1916-1947 half-dollars. It remains for this newest issue, but it has been “refreshed.”

"The San Francisco-minted coin’s obverse features a refreshed depiction of Adolph A. Weinman’s full-length figure of Liberty in full stride, enveloped in folds of the flag, with her right hand extended and branches of laurel and oak in her left," the U.S. Mint describes. "The Mint employed technological advancements that resulted in a design that is now a closer reflection of Weinman’s original vision and includes the addition of his traditional artist mark."

Obverse inscriptions include "LIBERTY," "IN GOD WE TRUST," and "2021." Weinman’s artist mark is also shown.

As for the proof coin’s reverse, it has completely changed. Gone is John Mercanti’s heraldic eagle with shield design. It is replaced with a depiction showing an eagle as it prepares to land, carrying an oak branch, as if to add it to a nest.

Type 2, 2021-W Proof American Silver Eagle (reverse)
A CoinNews photo of the reverse or tails side of a West Point Mint-struck 2021-W Proof American Silver Eagle (Type 2). This new design is also on the coin released today.

Reverse inscriptions read: "UNITED STATES OF AMERICA," "E PLURIBUS UNUM," "1 OZ. FINE SILVER" and "ONE DOLLAR."  United States Mint Artistic Infusion Program Designer Emily Damstra created the design which was sculpted by United States Mint Medallic Artist Michael Gaudioso.

New Anti-counterfeiting Edge

Type 2 American Silver Eagles also have a new reed pattern variation to assist in combating fakes.

Edges of Type 2, 2021 American Silver Eagle bullion coins
This CoinNews photo shows the edges of bullion Type 2 American Silver Eagles. The bullion coins are minted with investors in mind, and were released several weeks ago. Notice their anti-counterfeit reeded edge variation. Proof American Silver Eagles for collectors, like those from the West Point and San Francisco Mints, also have the same security feature.

2021-S Proof Silver Eagle Specifications

Denomination: $1
Composition: 99.9% Silver
Weight: 1.000 troy oz. (31.103 grams)
Diameter: 1.598 inches (40.60 mm)
Edge: Reeded
Mint and Mint Mark: San Francisco – S

 

Ordering and Price

Order the collectible coin from the U.S. Mint via its online page dedicated to American Eagle coins.

The proof’s price is $73.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Friends, Americans and citizens of the world one and all, fellow coin collectors,

Splash water on your faces, inhale your coffee, don your kevlar helmets (don’t neglect to tighten those chinstraps), swallow your sedative or two of choice and…

Begin the Eagle Games!

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Oh, and don’t forget to rev up your pc’s, smart phones, desktops and/or holographic quantum entanglement devices to go for the silver while the gettin’ is still good!

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Mark D.

I believe the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle applies here.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Mark D.,

Last time I checked the cat was a goner.

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Rich

Throw in the Fermi Paradox.

Antonio

Welcome to the quantum realm. ; ))

Mark D.

Very groovy. Thanks Comrade, hadn’t heard of that before. Learning is fun.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Mark, Antonio & Rich,

In addition to being a lifelong amateur historian I have for a similar length of time been an avid armchair cosmologist, and if there is one thing I have learned about the universe it is its unfathomably large size. Since there are more stars in the firmament than there are grains of sand on the earth, and because each one of those stars is separated from the other by billions upon billions of miles, the Fermi Paradox will likely never be tested; the distances involved are just too prohibitive.

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Mark D.

Um, I believe you’re forgetting that I was somehow transported to this bizarre and and terribly noir slice of the multiverse. So, the vastness of space is irrelevant from where I’m currently standing. I just want to go home. And no, the heel clicking thing doesn’t work.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Mark,

The heel clicking thing in the Kaiser’s sector only works with Birkenstocks worn with woolen socks.

SENZA

There has got to be something better than this out there somewhere or it’s all a waste….. I don’t even trade stocks anymore it’s no fun making money every time I trade – it was more fun when only those who put in the effort and developed the skills made money – now every xxxxx thinks they are experts when they know nothing but have a friend in the FED.

Kaiser Wilhelm

SENZA,

We are all the same and we are all unique, so perhaps the only sameness we have is our uniqueness.

Out there is put into clearer perspective once in here is better understood. Once you know yourself better the outside world becomes a more comprehensible proposition.

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Mark D.

Not gonna do it. As much as one might lust after that gold bucking bronc, boycotting the Mint means boycotting the Mint, at least for a year.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Mark D.,

I’m confused. The gold mechanical bucking stallion isn’t being released until the 19th of this month. Today is August 12, featuring the 2021-S Type 2 ASE.

Mark, you didn’t by any chance indulge in the “other sort” of mushrooms…

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Mark D.

No interest in ANY Mint price gouging products, with that one exception. Might have indulged myself and purchased the gold bronc in years passed, but so many truly abusive Mint policies combined with a ridiculous price yields nothing but contempt and a boycott. I’ve turned my attention and dollars to US coins minted before 1965, along with ancient Roman, Celtic and Viking coins. It’s amazing how responsive, helpful and friendly the vendors of these coins are vs. the relentless anti-customer US Mint. I’m also boycotting Ryder trucks, just in case.

Fa la la la la, la la la, la.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Mark,

You’re clearly not preparing for the Apocalypso since in the End Times pagan coinage won’t be worth a damn. Only tooth-proof silver and gold sporting In God We Trust will pass muster, and even with the deck stacked your way the trump card will still prevail.

David Kaye

Kaiser, how many San Francisco type 2 silver eagles do you recommend acquiring? Do you think they will be worth more than the West Point version released earlier this year since they have a 200,000 mintage limit?

Antonio

The Mint wants me to verify my order of that one by phone within 48 hours, but I haven’t been able to get through to them. I get so far and then they hang up on me. I suppose even though it’s in my account as ordered, I won’t receive it after all. : (

Larry T

Antonio,

I also received the email about an order placed for the 4 Coin Set of Proof AGE’s. I tried several times calling the Mint, but all I got was an everlasting answering machine vocals and some amateurish music. I was resigned to the fact that it would be canceled, when I checked my email and there was one from the Mint stating the previous one was sent in error! My order is to be fulfilled as scheduled. Apparently the inmates are running the asylum. Keep checking your email!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Antonio,

I’ve never heard of that procedure before. Very puzzling indeed.

Antonio

The Mint sent me a follow up email informing me to disregard that email, it was sent in error. Two days of worry for nothing. : (

Kaiser Wilhelm

Antonio and Larry,

It appears the Mint might just have been indulging in a bit of fun (for them, not you, obviously) with the both of you, as in “just kidding”. What this apparently means is that they are a) playful; b) cruel; or c) incompetent, or, as stranger things have indeed happened, all three of the aforementioned. Interesting.

Nevertheless, all’s well that ends well, and that is the direction your individual mini-sagas seem to be going in. Best of luck to both of you for a satisfactory conclusion!

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Kaiser Wilhelm

David Kaye,

This is likely too late for the purpose of today’s coin ordering, but aside from that I would certainly recommend buying the full three coin allotment. The 2021-W Type 2 American Silver Eagle has half again the population of this current release and has been selling at a healthy premium on the secondary market; if that is any indication, this latter iteration should do at least as well if not even better.

I hope you had good luck acquiring your coin(s) today!

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david epstein

All I know that I placed my order with mint for the 2021 S Eagle from the mint at 12:02 PM and it was already back-ordered and not available. So much for the individual collector!

Kaiser Wilhelm

david,

Always go with enrollments if offered. Other than that you’re in the common shark tank.

jimmy brown

I am echoing that comment…I am on an enrollment program & received 5 coins…open an account and have your credit card on file with them…

Kaiser Wilhelm

jimmy,

Amen, brother, amen.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

david epstein,

I had forgotten to point out that one’s chance of success when placing an order with the Mint depends on where one is ranked in order of importance to the Mint. #1 are the Authorized Bullion Purchasers, #2 are the Authorized Bulk Buyers, #3 are the Authorized Advance Purchasers, and #4 are the Official Release Day individual buyers, that of course being the category describing us. As you said yourself, “So much for the individual collector!”

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Note: It has come to my attention since I posted the comment about the order of various categories of purchasers’ importance to the Mint that the #2 Authorized Bulk Buyers and the #3 Authorized Advance Purchasers are one and the same.

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Daniel

Thank you for acknowledging my battle-bred top lip adornment

Kaiser Wilhelm

Daniel,

Well, you know, hip hip, cheerio and all that. God, Queen, Rolling Stones and Country.

Antonio

I had a mustache in the army. I didn’t feel like Audie Murphy.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Antonio,

Just never got the right script or camera angle. Not your fault at all.

Victor

Haha!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Victor,

Certainly. That too. Always.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Wait, I remember seeing Mr. Mustachio in “Debbinka Does Dubrovnik”.

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Carl

If you have an enrollment guess again if it’s filled. Mine was “hidden” late yesterday and not filled yet so guess I’ll join the party at noon. Whatever is going on is no accident, computers are programmed.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Carl,

How could that happen? My enrollment of three (the limit this time) is being processed for shipping and my credit card has been billed. Is there some kind of secret “lottery” taking place at the Mint?

Anyway, best of luck in whatever you end up having to do to get your coin(s)!

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JWP

I had 3 enrollments for this issue set up the 1st of the year. I have confirmations on all 3. I took the difference from the highest # to the lowest # and multiplied it by 3 and came up with over 91,000 units already being dedicated to buyers. I guess almost 1/3 of the coins are already off the board. I love the enrollment option. Good hunting for you all this morning.

Kaiser Wilhelm

JWP,

Color me clueless, but I’m not sure what the particulars of your arithmetic are here. What, specifically, constitute the “highest” and “lowest” numbers that you then multiplied by three? I’m curious.

SENZA

Your exactly correct and that’s why this one sold out in under 12 minutes – by my records the fastest sell out so far.

Kaiser Wilhelm

SENZA,

Since I don’t buy to sell, my eye isn’t on resale value but on coin appearance and I happen to really like the “S” ASEs. I suppose that helps me understand the frenzied buying, at least in that regard.

Mike Hunt

Kaiser — It’s been so long that I set up an enrollment for today’s coin that I forgot I had done it. But SURPRISE when I opened my eMail this morning to find that the Mint sent me a confirmation for that ONE coin at 1:07AM Eastern Time. You will recall that the same thing happened to me once before, but at the last minute I tried to add one more so as to be able to give my older brother a surprise birthday present. And that’s when I kept getting the “are you a human” run-around. So just to… Read more »

Mike Hunt

My apologies, but to no surprise, to all who read this: at 9:12AM Pacific Time and with that one additional coin in my bag at least a dozen times and getting the infamous “The Page You are Looking For Cannot Be Found” message … I finally got the even more infamous “We’re Sorry but This Item is No Longer Available – REMOVE FROM BAG” message. And to think I was SO looking forward to giving one away. So now all of you that wanted one, didn’t get it, and thought I might be your last hope to get one …… Read more »

Paul

I got the page not found error at least a dozen times, but I kept plugging away until I got a confirmed order at 12:09 EDT.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Paul,

That’s the ticket. Never say die.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Mike,

You know we’re in desperate times when we start replying to ourselves…yikes!

Ryder doesn’t read. Just signs COAs, and those only on the rare occasion.

Mike Hunt

Kaiser — Got it. But I specifically did so because (maybe it’s my imagination) the thread sometimes seems to get separated from the original comment. And sorry my friend, I think I may have seen a couple done by you in the same way too. I’ll bet nobody would have cared if I actually got that second coin and then offered it up as a freebie!

On the other hand I think more than just Ryder doesn’t read too. Whoops — Mike

Kaiser Wilhelm

Mike,

I don’t just reply to myself here, old buddy, I do it out in the “real” – actually, who’s to say which is which – world all the time. In fact, I have no problem discussing, whether agreeing or arguing, with my lonesome all day (and into the night), so there’s that.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Mike,

That’s how I felt when I got a similar email this morning informing me that my three ASEs were being processed, as in, hooray!

Whatever you do by way of an additional order today, I wish you the best of luck with that!

Regardless of everything else, sending an email to Director Ryder and a few bucks (depending on where you go, obviously) will buy you a cup of java. The Mint will do what the Mint wants to do, but hey, it’s always nice to send notes to people. 😉

Rich

Sir Kaiser, my enrollment for two also went through smoothly early this morning with email confirmations from the Mint. The enrollment order problem Carl described usually occurs due to a problem encountered with the credit card being used. Anyway, I also joined the fray to order one more live at 12 noon ET just for the experience or to be experienced. See my comments on how it went under reply to the Mammoth.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rich,

That was my process for the “W” exactly. This time I had all 3 covered by enrollments.

Larrry T

Carl,

My enrollment coins have been ‘confirmed’ and my CC has been billed, as of 12:41 AM. In the past, I’d get confirmation days before a release, but with reality being what it is, I’ll consider myself lucky. I’ll be watching from the bleachers, so good luck all!

JWP

I mistakenly thought that there were 300,000 of these coins being minted and eligible for sale today. However, the article says the limit is 200,000. Therefore almost half of the coins have already been scheduled to be filled by enrollments. Remember, it had been mentioned in previous blogs that if you have an enrollment prior to the cutoff date and June, the mint still honored the number which can be in excess of three per enrollment.

Larrry T

That is what has been stated. I did put in the ‘3 limit’ for this in my enrollment program. I’m also in the enrollment program for the ‘Uncirculated (Burnished) W Silver Dollars’ coming this September. I’m hoping they decide not to change, or reduce, the number I ordered for that particular coin. I’ll keep my fingers crossed and see what transpires. I hope you were able to snag this one!

Kaiser Wilhelm

JWP,

Not to be a nitpicker, but there were in fact only 180,000 coins available either by enrollment or regular order today since 20,000 had already gone, as is customary, the way of Advance Bulk Purchase.

Once the Enrollments were subtracted from the 180,000 the remaining pool of coins became very shallow indeed; it shouldn’t have taken long for this entire supply to have been exhausted.

Scarecrow

It may have even been less. In the Aug 8 US Mint production report they were already down 13,986 for this coin (21EMN) before the sale even began today!

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Scarecrow,

The question then presents itself if those were the Advance Bulk Purchases or not.

Scarecrow

It sounds like it according to CoinNews’ Mike Unser’s recent article “US Mint Sales: 2021 D&S Morgans and 2021-W $5 Gold Eagle Set Debut”. So now I am a little confused as to what the actual product mintage will be. The APBB program allows these dealers to buy up to 10% of the product at a discount. The 13,986 coins is certainly less than 20,000. However, the govt’s sales figure are up to Sunday, Aug 8 so it could have maxed out to 20,000 by the time sales began for the common folk. These purchases show up on the overall… Read more »

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Scarecrow, I figured out that the 13,986 came out of the ABP’s eligible 20,000; what I I don’t understand is why they didn’t take their entire 10% allotment. And this time the ABP’s share of 13,986 came out of the 200,000 mintage limit; why was it on the other hand that with the “W” coin the ABP’s cut was the quite considerable additional amount of 85,680 above the mintage limit? I think I understand that since the “W” was the first Type 2 Eagle it would garner all of that Bulk Purchase interest, but what provision in Mint rules allowed… Read more »

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Upon further scrutiny of the Mint’s records for the consecutive sales of the 2021-W Type 2 ASE and the 2021-S Type 2 ASE I must correct some of my previously stated figures as follows:

2021-W Type 2 American Silver Eagle
Mintage: 300,000
Advance Purchase: Not Specified
Bulk Purchase: 85,680
Bulk Mintage: 85,680

2021-S Type 2 American Silver Eagle
Mintage: 200,000
Advance Purchase: 13,986
Bulk Purchase: TBA
Bulk Mintage: TBA

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Antonio

So five proof ASE’s this year, one Type 1, two Type 2 and two reverse proofs of Type 1 and 2 each. One W burnished Type 2. Busy year.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Antonio,

Not to quibble, but it’s actually one reverse proof of Type 1 and Type 2 each.

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Bridget

I was in Home Depot when I got notice of coin ready to purchase. Stood right there in the aisle and within 2 min, success. I didn’t have much hope of getting one so I only asked for 1 but was so fast and easy I should have went for 3!! Next time!

Larry T

I’m assuming you were using a laptop? If you were using a phone and actually got through to a representative, you should definitely play the Lottery! Congratulations on your purchase!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Bridget,

What a nifty Mint “heist”! Kudos to you indeed!

Carl Warren

My enrollment is being processed for 6 with the CC charge pending. got the confirmation email at 1:30am.

Good luck to everyone today. Will join everyone again in the abyss on the 24th

JWP

I had three enrollments for a total of five coins. Two of the enrollments were confirmed late last night and the third was confirmed this morning. All three enrollments have pending credit card charges at this time. Quite possibly half or more of the 200,000 maybe off the table before the 12:00 a.m. order window opens up.

Carl Warren

I hope we are not all counting our chickens before they’re hatched. After the angst and issues a number of us had with the type 2 W’s, me included, I hope none of us get their orders cancelled.

Will only be assured once the coins are in my hands

Kaiser Wilhelm

Carl,

Essentially that is usually the case, since even if everything goes like clockwork at the Mint’s end the carrier could always lose the package(s).

Kaiser Wilhelm

Carl,

There is also the chance, as we have learned from prior experience, that Peter might have to be robbed to pay Paul, in which case some confirmed orders could be cancelled as needed.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

In which case we will see the dreaded…

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Kaiser Wilhelm

JWP,

This seems to be your day to puzzle and/or confuse me. I simply don’t understand how you could have more than one Enrollment. That’s all.

Rooster

I also had 3 enrollments. Different quantities and multiples of the same quantity across the silver eagle coins. Been set up this way for many years.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rooster,

I think I get it now. Sometimes the enrollments appear as two or more line distinct items in the Enrollment List. What causes that I have no clue.

Rooster

Yes they are separate line items. Not sometimes but exactly as ordered. Each line item is shipped individually.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rooster,

Will wonders never cease! That also answered a question I’ve long had about that very circumstance/situation.

Kaiser Wilhelm

JWP,

A) Off the table: Enrollments and Advance Purchases.
B) Not off table: Bulk Purchases
C) Available : C minus A

Kaiser Wilhelm

Note: This is another iteration of a previous misconception. Since Advance Purchases are bought as Bulk Purchases and they are one and the same, there should be no separate “Line Item B” above.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Carl,

Good work there, what with having put 6 into your Enrollment prior to the cutoff!

And yes, the fun begins again soon; whoopee!

Carl Warren

Kaiser,

In 2016, I enrolled for 6 each of the proof and unc ASE’s (1 for me, 1 for each of my 5 grandsons). Then in 2018, did the same qty. for the S-mint ASE’s and reduced the unc down to 1. Couldn’t afford to get all of them, as much as I would have liked to.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Carl,

You are quite the generous grandfather. I love my own five grandchildren to pieces, but when it comes to these coins they get bupkis.

Subtext: I don’t want my Social Security to turn into Insecurity.

TheKings714

My enrollment is being shipped per confirmation email. I also can’t wait for the 24th rev proof release party. Pretty sure it will be a disaster again for some and a win for others.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

TheKings714,

What kind I’m not sure, but a humdinger it will be.

Kaiser Wilhelm

And a one, a two, a three…

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TheKings714

Or just the ol’ dumpster fire it will be.

I will be trying for one but not holding my breath that “the powers that be” will see to it that I am recognized as a human in the two minutes it will take before sellout.

Kaiser Wilhelm

TK714,

Dumpster fire, or to borrow and somewhat sanitize one of good old Clint Eastwood’s most famous expressions, a real flustercuck.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Carl,

Well chosen wording. I believe the abyss will be waiting to swallow us on the 24th.

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David Kaye

The mint charged for the enrollments at approximately 2:00AM EST this morning August 12th, 2021.

Kaiser Wilhelm

David,

That’s about when my credit card charge came in. Step 1 completed; now the orders are Processing. Tally ho!

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Richard Margolis

Have you received shipping data? My enrollment for 2 coins still shows processing as of 9/16/21 @ 9 am. Called Mint and they said delay due to shipper. Can you let me know your status? Richard M

Start

I have the ASE enrollment, too. Shows it active. No order went through, not credit card charge, nothing in the order history. 🙁

Rob S

Its stories like these that leave me with no confidence in any enrollment. Some seem to work; some dont; very unreliable. It also seems it allows some to “cheat” on the Household limit? dunno

I suppose I know in real time, with little guess work, if I get ’em or not by ordering “live”.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rob,

You can’t “cheat” on the Household Order Limit. What you’re referring to is an enrollment higher than the HOL that is grandfathered because it was submitted at the earlier (and higher) HOL number before that figure was subsequently reduced prior to the Official Release Date.

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Rob S

Well, I have an unpopular take on that. An HOL is an HOL IMO. I think it’d be more fair to those not getting one if they had a chance if the HOL at day of release was applied across the board. More like a loop hole than a cheat, really as it isnt the fault of the subscriber. IMO its a miss by the Mint (what else is new). I agree with your pic attachment (regarding these special releases anyway). May this kind of BS be over with in 2022 when (if) things get closer to normal. At least… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rob, I’m going to lay the blame for those egregiously “over the HOL number enrollments” squarely at the feet of the Mint. If the Mint didn’t start each coin’s initial website page reveal with a sky-high HOL none of this would even have to be taken into account. Dropping the limit gradually from 25 to 10 to 3 (or even 1) by the time it gets nearer the release date is an invitation to an unfairness disaster of colossal proportions. That policy allows for a distribution of coins that is numerically all over the place depending entirely on when one… Read more »

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Rob S,

Postscript: I forgot to say I agree; it is more of an inadvertent loophole in the Mint’s rules than it is anything else.

Postscript Deux: Unfortunately not much will get better, and it might instead all get worse at the Mint, if this Covid-19 Delta Variant continues to run amok the rest of this year and into the next.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Start,

How very peculiar, totally bizarre and above all rather unfortunate. Go figure.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Start,

That should not have happened under any circumstances. Give the Mint a call; what can you lose at this point?

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RogerF

My CC was billed at 12:23 am ET and my enrollment order confirmed at 12:39 am. Good luck to all participating in the scramble.

Kaiser Wilhelm

RogerF,

That’s the only way to go!

Samuel Conroy

Got my 3 and confirmed by email at 12:09.

Rooster

Looking forward to this release.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rooster,

I look forward to all of them except the ones without enrollments that you know are going to go ballistic, bananas and absolutely crazy. Hooahh!

Kaiser Wilhelm

By the way, my shipment of the three 2021-S Type 2 ASEs has been signaled over to the USPS as being ready, but said agency has yet to pick it up from the Mint’s distribution center so the progress in my direction of this package is temporarily stalled.

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Antonio

Ah, U.S. Mint and USPS have something in common, they’re both branches of the government. My mindset is, “they’ll come when they come.”

Kaiser Wilhelm

Antonio,

The gummint does what it needs to do in its own good time.

Domenic Vaiasicca

Wow i got my confirmation for this one dated last nite at 11:35pm pacific time.. before release date. Wonders of the mint never cease. Now i can sleep in knowing my enrollment went thru!!! Happy for a change

Kaiser Wilhelm

Domenic V.,

Attaboy, way to go. Hope you had a good sleep!

JWP

I just now got an email from the mint at 9:55 a.m. Central Time that my first enrollment has shipped. I have three confirmed enrollments so just waiting for the other two to be confirm shipments.

Carl Warren

JWP,

You should send it off to NGC and not only get an Advance Release designation but also an Advance Shipped one.

Good for you!

JWP

I’ve never sent a coin in for certification, not really sure how the process works. I have certified coins I bought from the secondary market but have only thought about sending some of my own in for certification. Thanks for the thought, I may consider it. Hope you get lucky and get your coins too.

Rob S

I’m not sure what you meant by 2ndary mkt vs your own … what the diff would be.
(Oh, I get that now – you bought them already graded from the mkt.)
But I know PCGS has a step-by-step instructions, and I bet NGC does as well.
I know PCGS want you to sign up (NOT free!!, min $69 annual fee) for the privilege of using their service. So theres that.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Rob S, JWP & Carl,

I’m always happy for other folks to be happy, so while I myself don’t make a practice of encapsulating my coins, grade and slab away to your hearts’ content, my numismatic friends!

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Antonio

Hope you get it back as a PF70. Early release too! \O/

Kaiser Wilhelm

Antonio, JWP, Carl, Domenic, Rooster & Roger,

Oh, what a lucky group are we!

Whether we plop them into our individual collections in the Original Mint Packaging or have them graded and slabbed, we can all be happy to have such fabulous new coins.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Antonio,

PF70…nice.

Early Release…don’t get it.

Antonio

Wouldn’t that be one of the first coins minted? That’s how I understand it. How the grade is so high.

Mike Petraitis

Get on your mark get set–And get screwed.

sam tweedy

Can an “EAGLE” really “FLY” with that “TURKEY LEG” No more after this year !!!!! No interest at all !!!! LOL

sam tweedy

Bad Gateway!!! Are you Human??? Wrong page!!!! Try again!! Try again!! Try again!!! Good Luck …>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Gone Gone !!! LOL

Antonio

Today it’s looking good. I got my order, checkout confirmation and email acknowledgement within 3 minutes after 9 a.m. EST.

Joe

You mean 9am PST.

Antonio

Yes, I should have typed 12 p.m. EST. My time zone, 9 a.m. PST. Senior moment.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Antonio,

ALL my moments are of the senior variety now.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Joe,

EST. PST. PTSD. It seems like one just slips into the other.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Antonio,

Very impressive work! Done and done!

Kaiser Wilhelm

sam,

Yes, that is certainly true with the items that don’t offer Enrollments, but that is thankfully not the case this time.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

sam,

Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, each to his own, and one man’s floor is another man’s ceiling and all that.

Not to mention, that leaves (at the very least) one more coin for the rest of us.

sam tweedy

Poor design on this coin, that is why I liked the 2008-p Bald Eagle Proof Silver Dollar.

Kaiser Wilhelm

sam,

I understand. What a boring world it would be if we all like the same thing(s).

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Antonio

Beauty is a cameo PF70 coin. I can dream.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Antonio,

Dreams are not only permissible but come highly recommended.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Mike,

That is why so many of us not only employ them but recommend that others also go the way of Enrollments; it’s the only surefire way to get a coin or coins.

Samuel Conroy

I got screwed out of the ‘W’ type 2 ASE because I couldn’t prove I wasn’t a robot. Just as well because I got my 3 of the ‘S’ type 2 ASE’s.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Samuel,

I always shut off all the chips, relays and circuit breakers in my head. Did you forget?

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Samuel Conroy,

Don’t tell me. You neglected to shut off your dilithium power pack.

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Kirk Williams

One minute in, got my three, done.

Phil

Acknowledged for 3 in 3 min. By far a record for me this yr. Now, what to do with the 20 more mins I had set aside for this.

Eric Hei

Do you have special internet bandwidth or anything? Bots? It took me until 12:11 to get my order to go through.

Phil

Nope, just a heaping helping of luck today vs every other day.

I’m not even sure what the connection here is at my local watering hole, my traditional mint shopping location. Where I can either celebrate or drown my sorrows.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Phi and Kirk,

You guys are awesome. Both of you, in, done and out, just like that; super job!

Matthew Kerwan

Has it shipped? I ordered 3 via enrollment all with overnight shipping and have yet to receive a single one of them! Kinda pissed about it!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Matthew Kerwan,

That totally sucks. You pay all that extra and then the Post Office pulls a “Mint.”

Dave

That was easy – got 3 in about 2 minutes –

Antonio

I just looked at 12:16 p.m. EST and they’re no longer available. That was quick!

Joe

It was quicker…..all gone by 12:11pm.

Antonio

Quick! I believe the reverse proofs will be just as much so. Order limit is 1 set.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Antonio,

Knowing from experience how these things go, it wouldn’t surprise me if the Reverse Proof ASE Set was all gone before it went on sale.

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Paul

I got 2 at 12:09 – whew!!!!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Antonio,

Even faster than one might have imagined, but not really a shocker at that!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Dave,

Congrats! Enjoy those beautiful coins!

Antonio

That was the quickest check out I’ve ever done with the Mint. 2 minutes and an acknowledgement email right away. If only it had been this way in the past.

Bubba

If you click the button at the right time you become one of the chosen ones. Your success is someone else’s frustration. It’s not your fault. I thought I would be checked out within a minute, but 8 min later it finally went through.

Antonio

I learned the hard way, with a lot of frustration. Eleven minutes and they were sold out. I see the same scenario with the reverse proofs. The Mint has a limit of 1 set.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Antonio,

I’m happy for you, but as a cautionary word for the future from knowing how temperamental the Mint website can be; it won’t end up like this every time.

Nevertheless, congrats!

Daniel

Totally agree. I was in a false belief that I had beaten the mint (and bots) with my setup. I was wrong, and I’ve found it harder and harder of late.

Sam K.

Did manage to score two so that I now have two of each release. However, same old crap with the mint site….imagine that….took 7 attempts of “page not found” before it went through. How fast will it sell out is now the question of the day and who will get screwed thanks to the mints website “fix”?

Bubba

There is no incentive to fix it. Coins sell out regardless. If they fixed it, coins might sell out in 30 seconds. At least this way it isn’t just the fastest that win.

Sam K

Agreed, why fix it when they can just jack up the price. If we ran our business this way we would be bankrupt in weeks.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Sam K,

ALL government institutions operate this way. Since these “enterprises” are not dependent on earnings or profits but are instead kept afloat perpetually by tax dollars there is never any sense of urgency or cause for concern regarding the meeting of fixed and/or operating expenses.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Sam,

The “crap” is the usual crap, no surprise there. As far as who gets shut out; well, somebody always does because that’s the name of the game.

Welcome to the Mint ordering website, where both miracles and disasters happen.

Congrats on getting the two coins!

Coinbread

This product is currently unavailable.” at 12:12pm ET

Kaiser Wilhelm

Coinbread,

One word: Enrollments. That is the only way to avoid the disastrous Release Day traffic.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Coinbread,

You clever person. You’ve just come up with the perfect motto for the U.S. Mint.

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TiredOfIdiots

What a f****ing joke. On at noon, had in cart at 12:01, then ten minutes of constant “page not found” errors attempting to complete order followed by OOS.

Joe

THE PROPER TACTIC…..on at 11:55am….in cart at 12:00 and 5 seconds……check out…..CONFIRMED AND EMAIL CONFIRMATION…..by 12:00 and 50 seconds…… !!

At 12:11 “not available” anymore.

Collin

Spot on! Under 10 minutes was an improvement for me!

Kaiser Wilhelm

TOI,

Sheesh. What a bummer!

Scarecrow

Well, that was extremely disappointing. Tried checking out so many times in the 12 minutes before it was sold out.

Mammoth

Aaaargh, couldn’t get my hands on these.
‘Page Not Found’ over and over again, until these were Sold Out.
Curses, foiled again!

Rich

Mighty Mammoth, I had the same deja vu experience again as you have had. In cart and checkout and final review and placed order at 12:01pm ET. Noticed this time that “sending request to blotchat.com” returned “The page you are looking for cannot be found.” Went through this same cycle 2 more times. Then on the fourth time, placed order and notice instead “sending request to facebook.com” resulted in page not found. Same thing for two more times, then on the seventh try my order successfully went through with valid order number at 12:06pm ET. Received US Mint email at… Read more »

Mammoth

Rich – Congratulations on getting your coins. This was by far the most difficult ordering process so far. I was successful in purchasing every Morgan (didn’t try for the ‘O’) & Peace Silver Dollar, as well as the previous proof ASE’s, but today’s effort was maddening with the ‘Page Not Found’ repeatedly coming up.

And I was on there at 12:00 on the button. The Mint really needs to fix their website.

Here’s me when I am p!ssed, and that’s the Mint Director I am chasing!

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Rich

Mammoth, that’s magnificent. Totally appreciate your prehistoric sense of humor.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Mammoth, Scarecrow & TiredOfIdiots, I just cannot emphasize it often or widely enough; the only way to be sure of getting a coin or coins is to sign up for an Enrollment or Enrollments well ahead of time. It is, after all, one of the only two ways to avoid disappointment in regard to being successful in acquiring a coin or coins. The other way is to be as lucky as a four leaf clover crossed with a rabbit’s foot headed directly for the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, which in plain English means a ton… Read more »

Mammoth

Kaiser – your point is well-taken and I may do so.
However, given I was able to order those high-demand Morgan & Peace Dollars as well as the previous ASE Proofs, I didn’t think I’d hit the Brick Wall today.
Is the Reverse Proof ASE set available via enrollment, or will Aug 24 provide another feeding-frenzy of uncertainty?

Carl Warren

No it’s not, and I wish it was.

it’s going to be the feeding-frenzy of feeding-frenzies

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Carl & Mammoth,

The Reverse Proof ASE Set release will be a guaranteed flustercuck extraordinaire attempted buying experience if there ever was one. I predict several minutes of absolute pandemonium, a plethora of extreme dysfunctionality and oodles of sheer wailing banshee chaos.

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Big T

THe enrollments have not been available for some time.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Big T,

That’s because the Mint had to shut the enrollments down or there might not have been any coins at all left for sale on the official release day.

Big T

That is exactly what happened to me. And it wasn’t slow either, just kept taking me to ‘page not found’ over and over again – until the coin was gone. Strangely, I was able to get all 6 morgan / peace issues – even the CC and O privys – but not either of the ASE type II that have come out (W and S) … so strange. I tried to join the enrollment but it is closed. I refuse to pay 150 on ebay so I guess I am SOL on the 2021 ASE proofs. I’m upset but I’ll… Read more »

Scarecrow

I think you still can kinda get an ASE officially from the US Mint if you buy the Limited Edition 2021 Silver Proof set this fall but it will be more expensive then the $73 for just one coin. The set should have either the S or W ASE. If you want a stand-alone product, then you can buy an empty 2021 ASE case with COA on Ebay, open the special edition set, and plop the ASE in!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Big T, It is strange that you had complete success where others didn’t have any and yet on the other hand didn’t have any success at all where others did. There really doesn’t seem to be even the very slightest trace of a pattern or any remote semblance whatsoever of rhyme or reason in the way the Mint’s ordering website handles the internet pages, connections, and/or settings of the people who want to buy coins. Go figure. My salute to you, by the way, for adamantly refusing to indulge the opportunistic coin traffickers on ebay (and any other chiselers of… Read more »

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Rooster

Looks like it sold out at 12:11.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rooster,

Hope you got one before it did!

Rooster

Kaiser, yes through enrollments. Wanted a couple more but system kept me out today.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rooster,

Better one than none. I’ve been in the zero category all too often.

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Rooster

Missed many over the years. Just have to shrug it off when it happens. Happens more frequent though the last couple years.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rooster,

Ordering has been getting more difficult lately and this trend shows no sign of letting up. What the ….!

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Rooster,

11 minutes after ” Do not forsake me oh my darlin’ ” time.

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Rob S

Smoothest sailing, easiest transaction with the Mint I’ve ever had … … is what I would’ve said if I was od’ing on OXY!! lol 😉 That took the MOST retries of any of the recent attempts. And I didnt realize until after, that this order said BACKORDERED (arriving in Oct 14), which I took as normal, based on the Morgan / Peace $s. Got an acknowledge email right after order (10 mins in), but that backorder (on this Eagle) has me mystified. I smell doom and disappointment. 🙁 But theres a test-chg on my CC. … So yer sayin theres… Read more »

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Joe

Got my order in right on the bell. My confirmation order didn’t say backorder so it looks like it is shipping right away.

Backside of 200k product limit probably has to be produced and then shipped in October.

All gone now.

Rob S

OK – so maybe the button on the site always said B/O, and that is the norm. Its said that in the cart too.
Actually, my order summary page does NOT say B/O, so maybe I’m gettin lucky!!
Oh boy, this is gonna be great. (Flounder)
I hope. (me)

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rob,

It’s taken me over seven decades, but I am finally beginning to realize how useless worry is.

Rob S

Oh, I used to be worse. Type A all day long. But I’ve aged, like a fine … cheese. 😉 (maybe in another decade or 2?…)
I hope u r right about the B/O, and starting to think u r. It may have been either the way they may have been handling CC verification during this process, or so many already at the distributor, with more to ship there.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rob,

I still think you should be alright since your situation aka experience sounds so much like the one I had that turned out just fine in the end.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Joe,

Maybe yes, maybe no. They might ship just as soon as the Distribution Center has them all.

Sold out for sure though.

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Larrry T

Rob,

That is strange. I was in the enrollment program for these (Thank God!) and mine have already been shipped! I received the shipping email from the Mint about 10 minutes ago. I believe these S Proofs will be included in the Fall release of the Limited Edition Silver Proof Set, so maybe that’s why they have it as ‘Backordered.’ As with anything related to our Mint, I don’t relax until I see that package at my door.

Rob S

Neither my ack email nor my final checkout summary said B/O, so … crossing fingers, toes, eyes, ears, nose … etc.
Until the conf email comes … we’ll see.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rob S,

On “coin release days”, never forget to be adequately sedated.

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Carl Warren

Larry T,

like JWP above, good for you. you guys have me checking my email every 5 minutes to see if mine have been shipped.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Carl,

Hmmm…isn’t that an awful long time between shipment checks?

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Larrry T,

Or better yet, and to be absolutely positively sure, see what’s in the package.

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Larry T

Kaiser, I would have to be Glass! Are your orders with the Mint delivered by the UPS guy/gal anymore? Mine usually are sent by mail, even considering the fact some are in the thousands of dollars and used to require a signature (I do try to keep those at a Minimum!) I’m curious, have you ever received more items in a shipment then were ordered? I’ve had several instances of that, including some nice iterations of silver! Fortunately for me, I’ve never received a shipment deficient an item ordered. Now if we can only secure that shipment email for the… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry,

Most of my packages from the Mint arrive via USPS although I much prefer the better tracking service provided by UPS.

And no, I’ve never gotten anything extra in my Mint orders, not even a Killer Bee from the South.

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Antonio

Next up, the reverse proofs. I see a limit of 1 set per customer. See if they don’t sell out in less than 10 minutes.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Antonio,

This set promises one humdinger of a Coinfight at the Mint Corral. Hoooahhh!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rob,

Keep in mind that Backorder can simply mean that the product is still in transit from the Mint to the Distribution Center.

Rob S

Whew, my butt can un-clench for now, just got the order conf email.
Can relax, … at least until the 24th.
I’m passing on the gold “pony”, even tho while I dislike the disembodied (de-winged) chicken-head on the new gold Eagle, I dont hate the eagle close-up on the “pony”. *shrug* go figger. The “pony” eagle looks meaner.

Next up for me after the 24th might be the palladium (but oh man the $$$$!!!), as I really like the blown-up Mercury design. Much like I gravitate toward the Morgan / Peace reissues.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rob S,

The Gold Pony and the Palladium Mercury are like the First Class of air travel. I never see the inside of that part of the cabin unless I get there via an upgrade, and I don’t think anyone is giving away free 1 ounce coins of gold or palladium.

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Phil

I dig the classics too. Imo, it speaks volumes that Buffalo Nick, Merc dime, the Morgan’s etc, do well, while new designs seem to be ‘get off my lawn’ stuff.

I got the ’19 Palladium in ’19 because I love the Merc dime design. It was kinda poo-pooed on here cause of the $1900+ tag. Well, I could laugh now if I wanted a profit. I just dig the coin.

I guess I’m saying if ya like it, bag one if ya can.

R,

Kaiser Wilhelm

Phil,

Your last sentence describes the very best reason to ever get a coin!

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Carl

Since my enrollment for 1 wasn’t filled I ordered 3 and will have a friend list 2 on eBay so I can recover some of the excess I paid to get the W coins that the mint didn’t fill on the enrollment for those. Conformation email 12:06.

Joe

People like you buying more than they need and then selling on ebay for excess profit is the reason why some people don’t even get one.

Mike Petraitis

I agree with you 100% I have been collecting coins for many years and there are many coins that I have purchased that I could sell for a big profit but there is no way I am selling anything. I really enjoy what you said and it is so true!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Mike,

Please take a moment to read (in my response to Joe above) my analysis of this entire situation that all started with Joe’s accusation of Carl of being greedy. I believe that once you are aware of all the facts you will have a rather different view of what is really going on here.

Thanks for your time.

Daniel

He was entitled to purchase 3, and he did. In fact, some might say he was hard done by, in not having his enrolment fulfilled.
The good news is that you can jump on eBay and secure yourself one.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Daniel,

Thank you so much for adding your voice of reason to this discussion. It appeared to me that this was clearly turning into one of those rather unfortunate situations where the little people are busily sniping at each other and fighting for scraps while meanwhile the big guys are getting fat and happy and laughing all the way to the bank.

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Dave

Agree, they need to put the limit at 1 – then this reselling on Ebay BS will stop

Antonio

The reverse proofs will be limit 1 set.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Antonio,

That is truly a blessing, and one that we can be assured will be sorely needed, as this is one set that will be in MAJOR DEMAND!

Antonio

I hope for all that I can get my one set. This year will be remembered as the Great American Silver Coin Rush of 2021.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Antonio,

I’m with you there. That would be a super set to have, and this year has indeed been a year of everyone in fanatical pursuit of silver.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Dave,

At least one thing, and if possible two, need to happen. One, as you say, is to always have the Household Order Limit set at one, and the second, if at all feasible and much less likely to occur, is to end the Advance Bulk Purchase Program.

I believe that the surrogates of the Buying Clubs, the Big Re-Sellers and the Flippers themselves won’t be nearly so easily and/or readily attracted to the Mint’s “Coin Pond” when the individual “Fishing Limit” is ONE!

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Dave

I agree and by the way I am sorry for the way my comment sounded.Carl and anyone else has the right to purchase the limit – it was not my intention to bash him. I just think the limit should be one per household so more collectors get a chance. My mistake !!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Dave,

Don’t worry about it for a second. We all have our own view of things and sometimes they obviously aren’t going to be identical. In fact, I find myself changing my opinion upon receiving new information or just plain feeling differently about something form one day to another. If we all agreed on everything, what would there be to talk about?

And yes absolutely, the Household Order Limit in the first 24 hours should always be set one; that way far less people are left out completely when all is said and done.

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Joe, No, that is not why some people are shortchanged by the Mint. Besides, all Carl did was buy his rightful allowance of 3, so there’s absolutely no reason, cause or excuse to point the finger of guilt at him. If you are looking for the real culprits, don’t bother gazing at your fellow coin collectors; you might want to focus on the actual “villains”, so to speak, instead, including those individuals known as flippers who don’t actually collect coins but buy as many as they can to flip for a profit. Start with the so-called Authorized Advance Purchasers who… Read more »

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Antonio

The real flippers are those who buy the 40 coin batch.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Antonio,

At that level of greed I wouldn’t even “grace” them with that lowly title anymore; those people have moved up into the sheer heights of profiteering pirates.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Antonio,

Since the 40 coin batch Advance Purchasers are the really big outfits, I wouldn’t call them “flippers”. They are the secondary market re-sellers otherwise known as profiteers who have their coins on the way to grading and slabbing long before we even reach the official Release Day.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Joe,

It’s fair to order three since that is the Household Order Limit. On the other hand I wouldn’t recommend selling any coins on ebay since it helps keep alive the whole damnable profiteering environment there. Just sayin’.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Carl,

I don’t understand why your Enrollment orders aren’t being honored. What’s up with that?

Rooster

Going to be some “weeping and gnashing of teeth” over this cluster.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rooster,

In this glorious arena of World Championship Coin Collecting that we so avidly frequent, when have there not been occasions of rancor and sorrow?

Gary Colon

Looks like most were gone through enrollments.

Daniel

As an international purchaser, unfortunately I am unable to join the enrolment program. If you are in the US, you’d be crazy not to be on it … the stress of trying to purchase manually is not worth it.

Antonio

I’m crazy. And I only order 1 of each coin. I must not be in it for the money.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Antonio,

Well, there certainly seems to be more to unpack here than one would have imagined at first glance.

I’m not sure if “I’m crazy” is a stand alone statement or it somehow refers to the ordering of coins and/or the personal (to you) value of money.

Aw heck, let the mystery remain as such; dissecting this might ruin the fun.

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Daniel,

It appears that not only do you get soundly pummeled by the Mint’s international shipping charges but you aren’t able to take advantage of the ultra-convenient enrollment program either, and all that despite your spending of all those many dollars at the U.S. Mint year after year.

Granted, the world isn’t fair, but neither is this any evidence to the contrary.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Gary,

Many were indeed expended in that very manner, but countless thousands of others went the way of the 10% share that goes to the Advance Bulk Purchase Program and the much larger combined number taken by the sheer coin-vacuuming power of the armies of commissioned agents who operate on behalf of the Buying Clubs, Big Re-Sellers and Professional Flippers.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Gary,

I have to make an important clarification here. I have been conflating “Bulk Purchasers” with “Advance Buyers” and that has clearly played havoc with some of my previously posted facts and figures.

The coins that the “Advance Buyers” procure come out of their allotted 10% portion of the Mintage as it is stated on the Mint webpage of the coin or other item in question.

The coins that the “Bulk Purchasers” pick up are minted separately and as such have their own independent mintage total.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

NOTE AND EGG ON MY FACE: PLEASE DISREGARD THE ABOVE “ANNOUNCEMENT”.

ADVANCE BUYERS AND BULK PURCHASERS ARE ONE AND THE SAME!

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Gary,

But not necessarily enrollments established by actual coin collectors. I’m willing to bet that the same commissioned buyers who work for the really big re-sellers sign up for as many of those enrollment slots as they can in the same way that others of their ilk attempt to capture as much of the loot available on the Mint website as possible on coin release days. These pests are everywhere and they clearly bedevil us genuine numismatists every time we try to order one of the more desirable items from the Mint.

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Start

Gah! I was trouble-shooting a conference I’m running, and missed it. Oh well.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Start,

That’s apparently what you get for being a responsible working adult. Next time you’ll wisely choose a life of devil may care indolence.

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Daniel

In spite of a 650Mbps internet connection, and an eagerness to succeed, this was my most unsuccessful outing in the recent era of trying to purchase coins in 2021.
”The page could not be found” was the default display page whenever I tried to complete the transaction.
heck, roll the tape John.
https://youtu.be/ID6gE-rEKaI

I ended up with one successful purchase, but didn’t think it would be harder than the Peace dollar, that’s for sure.

Antonio

Did you order 3 Peace Dollars?

Kaiser Wilhelm

Daniel,

I’m sorry about the outcome of your buying venture this time, but on the upside (if you would even consider this having one after the bummer of your skimpy return) I must say I did enjoy seeing another video of you so very deftly conducting your magnificent orchestra of internet instruments.

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Antonio

I see the reverse proofs have a limit of 1. I bet they sell out in less than 10 minutes. Mintage is only 125,000 sets.

Carl

To anyone that wasn’t able to get the coins that you wanted, I feel you pain. That’s how I felt after my enrollment for the W coins wasn’t filled. I have been collecting a long time and don’t list on eBay and have sold duplicates to dealers so I’m not expecting to make a profit as from I hear if you except to make money on coins, forget it! It’s a hobby to me and I’d be ahead money wise if I’d buried it in the back yard.

Antonio

Like those twenty cans of double eagles someone found on their property a few years ago.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Antonio,

Did a squad of time-traveling 1930’s Secret Service Agents suddenly materialize in their back yard? Were they able to fend them off and retain their gold?

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Antonio

In 2013, eight cans (not twenty, my bad) filled with double eagles from 1847 to 1894 were found buried in a couple’s property. They were found in nearly mint condition inside eight rusty cans by a couple taking a walk on their property, known as the Saddle Ridge Hoard.

Larry Feinberg

Same here, I bought extras to sell and trade so that when I get rapped from the resellers for the coins I didn’t get beforehand I can recoup some of the overpayment. Its a rigged game for sure. I’ve been a collector for 20+ yrs and have never seen this bad before, only going to get worse. Get them before their gone, its how the game is played now. And as far as making money off of coins is concerned, no one gets rich collecting, its someone else hundred years from now from a stash horde, unless it had not… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry,

The irony is that if it wasn’t for all those thousands of surrogate buyers the re-sellers regularly deploy on the Mint’s ordering website on coin release days you would have gotten the coins you wanted from the Mint itself and wouldn’t have to enrich the coffers of all those greedy coin profiteers.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Carl,

That enrollment non-fulfillment still has me totally flummoxed; I can’t even conceive of why they would do that to you.

I don’t collect with any notions of my coins constituting what might even remotely be thought of as an investment in mind. I collect because I like coins, period.

Carl

Since there is a limit of 3 explain how an eBay listing has 10 for only $1499.00. The mint little credibility as to these limited quantity coins. Over 13M type 1 bullion coins sold and probably more of the type 2 will be made so why not fewer bullion coins and more proof coins? So the shortage of silver in my opinion is by design.

JWP

Possible explanation is, if you had an enrollment in before the cutoff in June you could possibly have had 10 sent to you through the enrollment program. I had three enrollments for a total of five coins, and all three enrollments have been confirmed by email and two coins have already been shipped with a tracking number. The enrollment process works great.

Antonio

The Mint is showing that 13,986 have been minted as of August 8th.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Antonio,

That number comes out of the 10% allotment of the 200,000 total Mintage that the Advance Buyers bought several days before the coins went on sale to the public. All 200,000 have been minted, but the Mint’s sales report won’t include the sale of the rest of the 200,000 until next week’s report.

Gary Colon

Does anyone have an Idea when US Mint opens enrollments? I got in on the “W” Proof but missed the “S” . It came back to bite me today.

Carl Warren

Gary C,

Not sure if the will for the ASE’s. My concern is they will eliminate the ASE enrollments altogether. Then we’ll all be screwed

Kaiser Wilhelm

Carl,

No indication of that happening any time soon, but I suppose one never knows for sure.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Gary,

Check the Mint website at the beginning of each year. That is the time to get your enrollments registered, especially if you are going to want more of any coin than the eventual Household Order Limit will later allow.

Carl

I have enrollments for about everything that you can sign up for and make them active a while before they go on sale and make them inactive afterwards. This has worked for me except for these silver Eagles so that is why my enrollments likely haven’t been filled so I expect the same thing will happen with the UNC coins next month.

Carl Warren

Carl,

Why would you make them inactive? Is it because you may not want to get one or more of them in a certain year?

Carl

For 2021 I only wanted the type 2 as I don’t get caught up in the ‘last’ and ‘first’ stuff. In my opinion the mint messed up by not making the transition from type 1 to type 2 when the year changed but when the design change was finalized in October 2020 there was too much to do in a short time. Get the citizens group out of the way and have the mint decide but we know that doesn’t work well either sometime.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Carl,

I’m not sure the Mint makes any better decisions than an outside party; in fact, sometimes the Mint’s decisions seem rather ill-considered.

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Harold K

Thought I had 3 in the bag from the get go, but after going to checkout and submit, kept getting the page can not be found for the confirmation. tried 2 different credit cards, next thing I know in like 10 minutes item in my cart is no longer available after trying 10 plus times! I had an easier time getting the last batches of 2021 Morgan’s and 2021 Peace dollars. How is it certain big time coin dealers/sellers on Ebay already have like hundreds for sale? Its like they had priority to buy more than the limited 3. Very… Read more »

Antonio

The big time coin dealers have an agreement with the government. Same reason they buy coins first, receive early higher grades and are able to resell more coins. They’ll have a PF70 when you’ll have a PF68. You never had a chance at the 70.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Here’s someone else who has caught on to their game. Kudos, Antonio!

Rob S

I know. I had at least 1 2020 ASE that graded at PF67!!! 6-f’n-7!!! Direct from the mint, opened the box, peeked at it, … eventually sent it out to PCGS. Cant tell with the naked eye (they use 5x mag glasses I think, under 100w lights). gawd!!

Antonio

Interested in purchasing bullion? See our Coin Dealer Database. The United States Mint does not sell Bullion coins directly to the public. Instead, the Mint distributes uncirculated Bullion coins through a network of wholesalers, brokerage companies, precious metal firms, coin dealers, and participating banks, a network known as Authorized Purchasers. See? The Mint has arrangements with these dealers. Check the Coin Dealer Database to find dealers in your area.

https://catalog.usmint.gov/bullion-dealer-locator

Sherril Matney

Man there is alot of dealers who get access!

Kaiser Wilhelm

That’s so the rich can get richer, and quickly! 😉

Oh, and everyone who buys from them gets poorer. 🙁

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Bullion coins are not of collectable or numismatic quality; they are investment pieces to be stored and not to be put into a collection.

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Big T

That is correct, however, you see these TV shows with graded bullion coins selling them for outrageous prices as “collector coins” – it really annoys me. PCGS and NGC should NOT grade bullion coins!!!! That would solve the problem. When the coins come in a tube of 20 with a green lid they are NOT collector coins – they are bullion coins made in the millions…!! Wise up people!

SENZA

PCGS, NGC AND PSA WOULD GRADE THEIR MOMS IF THEY COULD TURN A FAST BUCK…………..

Kaiser Wilhelm

SENZA,

You’ll get no disagreement on that from me!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Big T,

I agree 100% with everything you just laid out. I wish more folks were aware of all this!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Harold,

Big buyers of coins from the Mint are allowed to take a share of 10% of the total mintage of each sale several days before the coins are offered to the public. That’s how those profiteers have coins graded and ready for sale before we even try to buy one from the Mint.

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Christopher Williams

I purchased three coins via Enrollment, and I already received shipping notification.

Mike Petraitis

Clint Eastwood tried to order these coins and his order did not go through.He said he will send the director of the US mint a short letter saying–Go ahead punk make my day.

Christopher Williams

Love it!!!!

Rooster

Lol

Rob S

Chuck Norris missed out on getting his, so the Mint fired the presses back up and made him all he wanted. 🙂

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rob, Rooster, Christopher & Mike,

I have a couple of those incredibly funny “Chuck Norris” books; I highly recommend them for some really good laughs!

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Rooster

Comic books?

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rooster,

No, actually they are trade paperbacks, and quite nicely printed at that.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rob,

That’s the ticket!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Mike,

I loved his acting and I love his directing, but he should not be talking to empty chairs.

Kaiser Wilhelm

However, this is funny!

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Mike,

If only!

c_q

So, I wasn’t particularly set on getting this one (I just wanted one of the new design, and landed a W already so that was good enough for me). but to do some analysis I tried to get this one in various ways to see which, if anything would work out, mainly for future reference. unfortunately none of what i tried worked out – in every case, i got the dreaded ‘The Page You Are Looking For Cannot Be Found.’ response. Sometimes I let that page go for a bit to see if it would transition, but it never did.… Read more »

Victor

Wow. I tried 5 times to place an order for 2 through my iPhone same “cannot be found”. Then stepped inside the house and tried on pc and it went through on the 2 try.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Victor,

Lesson learned, right?

OmahaJoe

I’m all Apple and so far have had a few hick ups but have managed to get every coin I went after. I make sure I’m not in private mode and works for me.

Kaiser Wilhelm

OmahaJoe,

Good work there, brother! If everybody else had as much success, we could all stop grouching. 😉

Kaiser Wilhelm

c_q,

I’m guessing you overthought and over-complicated this venture. Choose your best and fastest device and just keep at the Mint website until it lets you buy and pack up the coin you want. No fancy footwork, just good old straight ahead punching.

Mammoth

Kaiser – I did this for the Morgan & Peace Dollars as well as for the first two Proof ASE’s, trying both on my phone AND a PC, but this strategy could not get me past the ‘Page Not Found’ yesterday.

That’s life: You win some, and you lose some…

Mammoth

I am waiting on the Mint’s consolation prize of a shiny new 2021 clad Kennedy Half Dollar.

Will be checking my email all day for a personal notification…

Kaiser Wilhelm

Mammoth,

I’m holding out for only the second legal Gold 1933 Double Eagle ever found.

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Mammoth

If you’ve lived enough years, you realize how absolutely true this is!

Clay63

Awesome coin wish I got . was on the us mint site 12:01 had 3 in my cart and would not let me check out card on file all info ready to go. Kept saying web page not found.dam joke little guy can’t get unless you pay 3 × or 4 × the amount from 3rd party best believe hsn or govmint got many

Victor

Use PC. You are welcome.

Big T

I had the same problem on my PC and didn’t get the coin. So that is not the solution.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Clay,

Just remember to sign up for the enrollments on the Mint website for any coin that allows it; that way you won’t have to fight with the site on release days.

Note: Every time anyone buys a coin on the secondary market and pays multiple times the Mint price for it they are supporting and encouraging the flippers and other re-sellers and the situation will keep getting worse.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Clay63,

Hate to have to say this, but every time we buy from a profiteering re-seller we are just making our own long term coin acquiring situation worse.

Daniel

My spend directly with the Mint is spiraling way out of control.
I know that self-control rests solely with me, but geez my spend has increased.
2017 was a standout year, for reasons I am comfortable with … but 2021 has gone crazy

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Daniel,

Money is an exceedingly relative commodity. If the coins give you a lot of visual pleasure and a sense of achievement and satisfaction then your funds are indeed well spent.

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Carl Warren

Daniel, Mine too! I’m not in your spending stratosphere, but it’s a lot more than I’ve spent in recent years. Still have 2 of my enrollments to go, and the 2 coin reverse set and LImited Edition set that I am hoping to obtain. Time to do some serious evaluation of what I want to do after this year. I’ll probably keep the enrollments active and try to get the Limited Edition set, but for the 1 time issues, aka the artificial rarities, probably not. Plus, I won’t go for the gold or the commemoratives unless they are of special… Read more »

Daniel

Looking further afield, the Royal Australian and Canadian Mints went down the granny-bait path years ago, with a ridiculous amount of one-off and special release coins in a single year. As a collector, you start drinking from the firehose trying to keep up … only to find they don’t have magical investment/appreciation properties. In fact, the annual financial reports from the Royal Australian Mint show that the bulk of their income is generated through commemorative and special release numismatics, not from bullion, investment or circulating coin production. maybe 2021 is the year the US Mint has commenced its program to… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Daniel,

I too have notice that the Mint is relying on its individual collector customers to provide the biggest profits. But I suppose that’s how the world works in general; the smaller the fry the bigger the feast.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Carl,

I skip the gold and the commemoratives now also. It’s far too costly to try to buy everything the Mint holds up in front of our looking in the shop window faces.

Larry T

The Coin Vault is offering Advance Release of these 2021 S ASE’s for ‘just’ $599.98! Get em before they’re gone!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry,

Mezack The Magnificent defines the term chutzpah!

Larry T

The Yiddish got it right. I bought the new (in 2006) 24K Gold Buffalo coins for that exact price, well with a penny added. What gets me is they throw these elevated prices out as though everyone has a spare $600 (plus the shipping and tax cost as well) just laying in their pockets. If someone is mesmerized into thinking this is something ‘you must buy right now, right here’, I feel sorry for them, especially considering one could buy about 20 silver rounds for that.

sam tweedy

Not to worry, Mike Mezack and ANACS has got you all covered for a “GREAT DEAL” Still the “KING” !!!! Understand !!!!!

Wayne Z

Got my 2 @12:10 just right before they sold out.

Kaiser Wilhelm

sam,

Just yesterday Mike “Moneymaker” Mezack was putting on what to his spellbound audience was a very convincing spiel regarding the “Advance Release” 2021-S Type 2 ASEs. It was all about why people should feel privileged and fortunate to be able to get these coins for just over EIGHT TIMES the Mint price. I mean, they’re “rare”!

He clearly looks like a complete doofus but obviously sells like a true genius. It’s beyond amazing that for over twenty years now countless thousands of people have succumbed to this faker’s snake oil routine like drooling imbeciles on a stick.

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Finbar Higgins

He just doesn’t get you to buy a coin at 8X the Mints price but gets you to buy a label for hundreds of dollars more and throws in a Red Oak presentation box for free.. This guy is like the Hypnotoad. A real Svengali..Was he the one who originally came up with the First Release, Early Release and so on scheme? How fast you get the same coins, minted at the same time, to the graders and charge more for them.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Finbar,

There is no more stunning accessory to a fine coin and/or coin set than a RED OAK BOX. 🙂

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Christopher Williams

Yep. Mike “Sold Out, Limited Edition” Mezack.

Man’s got no ethics IMHO. I remember that one YouTube video I did of him and the host Alan Cranston. I think that was over a decade ago.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Christopher,

I watched one of Mike “The Magical Money Machine” Mezack’s brand new videos last night. I think I finally figured out what the relentless repetition is all about; it’s an extremely persuasive form of hypnotism. Buy…buy…buy. Operators are standing. Bye.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Christopher,

Apparently, he doesn’t know the meaning of the word “ethics”.

sam tweedy

Mike Mezack the REAL “KING” of coin collecting, can still talk the ears off an Elephant !!!! He has his own “ZOO” !!!! ANACS ANACS ANACS !!!! Understand !!!! HURRY HURRY !!!! He has a “DEAL” for “YOU” !!!!

Rich

Sam, could you speak up! Say it again a little louder. My ANACUSIS is acting up.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rich,

I swear good ol’ sam is a classic victim of multiple personality disorder. One day he seems perfectly coherent, the next ten he’s so completely off the rails not even the Amtrack detectives can find him.

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sam tweedy

Oh NO!!!! All you whining old ladies have derailed me !!! I “NEED” more thread, what can I do do do do?????

Kaiser Wilhelm

sam,

I recommend following Hansel and Gretel’s trail of bread crumbs, but not in the direction of the Old Witch’s hut. Oh no!

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Kaiser Wilhelm

sam,

I believe I’m beginning to get the very first glimmers of what you’ve been talking about.

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SENZA

3 times I chose my payment type and pressed the order button and 3 times I was told the US Mint web page has failed and to try again – on the 4 the attempt my order went thru. The biggest disappointment was when I placed it in my cart and got the small print disclaimer that these won’t ship until October. It must be nice to sell imaginary products that might be available in 3 months but to get paid right now. I see the flippers are asking $600.00 on feebay and after all the fees and scammers they… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

SENZA,

The Mint doesn’t bill until the coins are shipped. But it’s still a long dreary wait.

I’ve got a splendid idea. Why don’t we think of a way to liven the time up a bit…

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Daniel

You yanks have got to move on. It’s really sad.
Trump hasn’t been President for over 6 months. Why can’t you stop talking about him?

https://youtu.be/bM53bJGrty4

sam tweedy

We now have Sleepy Joe, NO borders, Obama’s “POOP” Boy, laughing bobblehead VP and WWIII around the corner. Oh Canada !!! Back to the basement “pooper”

Kaiser Wilhelm

sam,

“I picked the wrong week to stop doing speed!” (Lloyd Bridge’s character in the movie “Airplane”)!

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Carl Warren

Talking about the Trumpster is the only thing propping up the ratings for CNN and MSNBC which have sank lower than the Titanic.

Carl Warren

should have said ‘sunk lower than,,,,’

Kaiser Wilhelm

Carl,

Or, “sanked lower than…” 😉

Kaiser Wilhelm

Carl,

You just made me think about this: Did it cost more to make the movie than it did to construct the Titanic?

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Lonnie

Think about it

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Lonnie

This one also

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Ken God

Dementia hinden Joe Xiden..

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sam tweedy

Can’t wake up the “pooper”. C’ mon MAN !!!! Sleepy Joe “BEE<><>DIN !!! Where’s my “MASK”???? In the basement “DUMMY” !!!!!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Lonnie,

How perfect. The original Biff if there ever was one! In fact, more original than the original, so actually almost frightening.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Lonnie,

Yep. That would have been a much more appropriate job for him.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Lonnie,

And thanks be, we did. Amen.

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Carl Warren

Lonnie,

For many years, Senator Biden held the title of Stupidest person on the Planet. Then he became VP and lost the title to San Fran Nan, who has recently lost it to co-title holders, AOC and the Giggler.

Yeah, we can vote out stupid. However, lately, and unfortunately, the choices have become, depending on your viewpoint:

A.     Anyone, D or R
B.     Bag of Rocks, D or R

Kaiser Wilhelm

Carl (and everyone else in this thread section), It’s become more obvious to me, especially so in the last few years, that we as people, residents, citizens and voters don’t so much gravitate or latch onto our various politicians for the specific issues they talk about but much more so thanks to what we have established in our minds that each of those individuals stands for or represents. As a result, it no longer really matters what either Republican or Democratic politicians (candidates or incumbents) say or do in the public forum, as the opinions of the people on both… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Carl,

This is what I mean about how the country is so divided. Over half the voters obviously thought that Trump had to go because he was ignorant, mean, selfish and lazy, and yet others worshipped him. Those are the viewpoints that seem to be etched in stone now, and clearly nobody’s going to change their mind.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Lonnie,

And thank God we did.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Carl,

Just like Fox depends on those sociopaths Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham to keep stirring up the hate level in America. I recently watched a documentary involving Carlson’s likewise broadcasting father, and whew, that man was possessed of perpetual venom; I now know where poor Tucker got it.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Daniel,

Consider me moved on.

Now where were we? Oh, yes, we never really got around to addressing the wonders of your expansive mustache!

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Daniel,

I forgot the simplest answer of all to your question. Because he just won’t shut up.

Kaiser Wilhelm

SENZA,

Self-help books have been selling imaginary products for decades and just raking in the moolah.

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FViia

1st 2 coins showed up today. Coins look great, but one of the boxes looks like crap. The silver paint for the lettering is all smudged, like it was the 1st set of boxes and there was too much paint starting out. Called customer service and they don’t send out new boxes, wanted me to send the coin back with no potential for replacement. I said they need to get their glasses upgraded as it is very SAD that someone put this into a box to send my way. Anyone else get subpar pkg or coin?

Big T

You’ll be able to buy the empty box on ebay for just a few dollars. They remove the coin to have it graded / slabbed, and then sell the empty box. Usually they are bought by people that put a fake Chinese ASE in and sell it, or folks like you that just want a better box!!

Antonio

I’ll have my coins graded and slabbed. I’ll send you my sad, I mean, replacement boxes. If you ordered from the Royal Mint in London or the Paris mint, you’d get really nice packaging for your coins. Even the Royal Mint in Canada has better packaging.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Antonio,

It’s nice to hear about the great boxes at the other Mints, but if one doesn’t order from them that isn’t going to help with the U.S. Mint’s packaging.

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Antonio

The U.S. Mint needs to upgrade its “cheap” packaging. I’ve been buying from them since 1973 and have been disappointed that only for high priced coins is the packaging any good. It’s a shame. A wealthy country like ours offering coins in such low quality packaging. Canadian proof coins are packaged very nicely, why can’t our mint do the same?

Kaiser Wilhelm

Antonio,

I have to say you’re absolutely right about this; the packaging has never been worse. It’s like something worth a quarter should come in it, not a beautiful ASE.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Big T,

Good advice, but I don’t trust ebay any more than the Mint. What to do.

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FViia

Box cost me $8, but it has the 21EMN sticker and is exact replacement.

Kaiser Wilhelm

FViia,

You’re way ahead of me; mine haven’t even gotten to the Post Office yet.

Too bad the box was defective. It always befuddles me how they don’t catch that while packing, or perhaps they do and just don’t care. A shame either way.

By now you know their take on that function should be called Customer Disservice.

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sam tweedy

Send that turkey leg for a so-called wing coin back, and tell the U S Mint where they can shove it !!!

Kaiser Wilhelm

sam tweedy,

Where, sam, oh where?

Kaiser Wilhelm

FViia,

The boxes themselves aren’t all that bad, but the plastic insert that holds the coin is paper thin. Ridiculous!

FViia

Yes, for the premium the packaging should be much nicer.

Peter Lowell Gordon

Received an email blast from the US Mint on August 16th reminding me about the release date of August 24th at noon eastern time. Just checked the US MInt site this afternoon and they have changed the release date to Monday September 13, 2021 at noon eastern. No press notice. Wonder what they will have to say about the delay?

Kaiser Wilhelm

Peter Lowell Gordon,

They will make the same sad excuses as always that we’ve gotten used to hearing lately.

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Christopher Williams

Has anyone encountered the following issue; in July I ordered and received my three “2021 Type-2 W Coins.” Then just recently I ordered and received my three “2021 Type-2 S Coins.” Here’s the problem; The “S” Minted coins are not “S” coins, they are “W” coins. WTF!!! Now I have to call the Mint tomorrow. Has anyone heard of anyone else having this issue?

Rooster

Major WTF. Never heard of a mixup like that. Still waiting for my coins.

Christopher Williams

Never mind. My mistake. The “S” is on the reverse.

Rooster

That crossed my mind if you were looking at the Adolph A. Weinman initials. Happy that this turned out ok for you.

Antonio

Yep, I can see where someone would mistake the AW on the obverse for a W. Know where to look is what I says.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Antonio, Rooster & Christopher,

Luckily I had been doing some reading about the updating of the obverse of the Type 2 aka New ASEs or I would likely have experienced the same bewilderment when I received my “S” Eagles this past week.

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FViia

Ashamed to admit it, but I had the same WTF moment for a second until I looked closer and did the flip.

Kaiser Wilhelm

FViia,

It seems this was a virtually simultaneous mental slippage involving a rather significant part of the coin collecting community and an easily understandable and pre-eminently forgivable misapprehension.

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Antonio

That explains why, although I ordered a Type 2 W ASE earlier, the Mint sent me the S, which I ordered later, sooner. Shouldn’t they have known the difference between a W and an S?

Kaiser Wilhelm

Antonio, I think you just managed to confuse me more than I’ve ever been confused here. Are you saying that you now have the “S” but not the “W”? Do you think they sent you the “S” instead of the “W” because they got mixed up? Isn’t it far more likely that you got the “S” when you were supposed to but you just never got the “W” at all and that there is something amiss with that earlier order? If I were you I would call the Mint and ask where the heck your 2021-W Type2 Proof American Silver… Read more »

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Rob S

I doubt any1s still following this … Anybody else waiting on theirs? My order still shows Backorder. Given the ordering difficulty this round, just wondering if there is a hold up or if concern is in order? I know the Peace / Morgans were supposed to be B/Od, but didnt think these were. Never encountered the Silver Eagles to be B/O. They did the test CC charge a while ago, and it shows in the order info, and got an order confirm email way back. Guess they pre-sold these too, and still need to crank a batch out? Just odd.… Read more »

Rooster

Hope you get them soon. Mine came in on 8/21 and 8/23. Three subscription orders. Seems like they should at least be shipped.

Rob S

Thanks Rooster.
Thats what has me concerned, some shipped almost right away. B/O on a Silver Eagle ???

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rob S,

Rooster is right. I would add that not only should they be shipped but they should be in your collection by now. Wake those people at the Mint up!

Jon

I purchased 2 on the site. No subscription. I attempted payment like 8 times before it went through. They have been on backorder ever since. There’s no mention of a ship date or anything. This is my first year collecting ASEs. The US Mint sucks.

Rob S

Similar to my experience.
Crossing fingers, toes, nose, dotting my Ts and crossing my eyes. 😉

Antonio

That should do it then. ; )

Kaiser Wilhelm

Antonio,

It appears that now that the Mint has managed to make some real improvements on its website they have to find something else that can go wrong. What a way to run a railroad.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rob S,

You can do all that and more as long as you also remember to “reach out and touch someone”, telephonically speaking.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Jon,

As with Rob’s experience, there is definitely something very wrong with your order taking this long. Give the Mint a call to find out what happened; you should have had those coins in your possession by now.

Two other things are true. The ASE’s are beautiful, and the Mint needs an occasional butt-kicking.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rob S,

First of all, the Peace/Morgans aren’t Back Ordered, they are Pre-Ordered.

There’s no question you should have received any and all of your ASE’s by now. A phone call to the Mint is definitely in order.

Best of luck with that!

Rob S

Alas, that seems to be the case.
A few years back, I ordered a prior year ASE … and got the WRONG YEAR – like 2 or 3 years back. 😮
I think it was 2019 that I got a proof ASE that had some sort of apparent nick in the polish that looked to be under the plastic – ON the coin. So I had that replaced.

Now this. joyeeeeee. 😉

Rob S

Well that didnt take forever. Under 10 mins.
The Mint contact told me its just that they have no inventory at the moment?? (huh?) If there were any changes, such as a cancellation, I’d get notified.
Maybe it just means they havent stamped ’em all yet? Or as I saw mentioned somewhere else, they havent gotten to the shipping hub?
I emphasized this was a sold out item too, but thats what they said.

Whew (maybe)?

Rob S

Tut tut, I smell an Emergency Issue. Minted in Peoria with a West Point mint mark. Shipped in a strapped green monster box (ALL 3 of my coins) with an apology letter / certification from the Mint. *AND* a free red oak presentation box!!

And then I woke up. Dreamt I was Rob mini-Me(too)zak or sumin’. 😀

Mike Petraitis

I have a subscription for these coins and the order says still processing never recieved them yet.Does anybody know how to get in touch with judge Judy?

Jon

I purchased 2 of these on 08/12/21 when they went on sale. No subscription. The status is still BACKORDER. I’m concerned I won’t get them. Anyone else still waiting?