2021-W Proof American Gold Eagles (Type 2) Release

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United States Mint redesigned 2021-W Proof American Gold Eagles launch today at noon (ET). The "Type 2" coins feature an enhanced obverse and a brand new reverse.

2021-W $50 Proof American Gold Eagle, Type 2
Today, the U.S. Mint begins selling its redesigned 2021-W Proof American Gold Eagle Coins

Products include a 1 oz. coin, fractional sized 1/2 oz., 1/4 oz. and 1/10 oz. coins, and an all-inclusive four-coin set. All together, this equates to five options which continue the U.S. Mint’s 35-year American Eagle Gold Coin Program.

2021-W Proof American Gold Eagles showcasing the classic, Type 1 designs were offered earlier this year. All of them were snapped up by buyers within minutes.

Designs and Specifications

The obverse (heads side) of the new proof Gold Eagles still carry a depiction of the 1907 full-length figure of Liberty as designed by celebrated sculptor Augustus Saint-Gaudens. However, the Mint utilized original historical assets to create a closer reflection of Saint-Gaudens’ original vision and detail including modifications to the Capitol Building, stars, torch, sun rays, and other design elements based on the original bronze cast.

Obverse or heads side of a 2021-W Proof American Gold Eagle  (Type 2 design)
Obverse or heads side of a 2021-W Proof American Gold Eagle (Type 2 design)

This design offers Liberty with flowing hair and depicts her holding a torch in her right hand and an olive branch in her left. Inscriptions include "LIBERTY," "2021," the artist’s initials, and a "W" mintmark indicating the coin’s production at the U.S. Mint’s facility in West Point.

Created by U.S. Mint Artistic Infusion Program (AIP) designer Jennie Norris and sculpted by Mint Medallic Artist Renata Gordon, a portrait of an eagle is found on the new reverse design.

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Reverse or tails side of a 2021-W Proof American Gold Eagle (Type 2 design)

Surrounding inscriptions include "UNITED STATES OF AMERICA," "E PLURIBUS UNUM," "IN GOD WE TRUST," the artists’ initials, the coin’s legal tender face value, and the coin’s precious metal weight.

The following U.S. Mint image shows the key redesign features of the Type 2 American Gold Eagles:

2021 American Gold Eagle Redesign Features
This U.S. Mint image shows the key redesign features of the 2021 American Gold Eagle (Type 2)

Aside from an anti-counterfeit reeded edge variation, specifications for the coins remain identical to past issues, as shown below:

$50 $25 $10 $5
Composition 22 Karat Gold (91.67% Gold
3.0% Silver
Balance Copper)
Weight 1.0909 troy oz.
(33.931 grams)
0.5455 troy oz.
(16.966 grams)
0.2727 troy oz.
(8.483 grams)
.1091 troy oz.
(3.393 grams)
Diameter 1.287 inches
(32.70 mm)
1.063 inches
(27.00 mm)
0.866 inch
(22.00 mm)
0.650 inch
(16.50 mm)
Thickness 0.113 inch
(2.87 mm)
0.085 inch
(2.15 mm)
0.070 inch
(1.78 mm)
0.049 inch
(1.26 mm)
Edge Reeded Edge Variation

Limits, Prices and Ordering

2021-W Proof American Gold Eagles and the four-coin set are available from the U.S. Mint’s online page of gold coins, located here.

Limits and prices for the 22-karat gold coins are provided in the following table:

Product Option Product Limit Mintage Limit Price
2021 $50 American Eagle Gold Proof Coin (1 oz.) 5,625 15,875 $2,700.00
2021 $25 American Eagle Gold Proof Coin (1/2 oz.) 2,000 12,250 $1,375.00
2021 $10 American Eagle Gold Proof Coin (1/4 oz.) 3,375 13,625 $715.00
2021 $5 American Eagle Gold Proof Coin (1/10 oz.) 10,000 20,250 $315.00
2021 American Eagle Gold Proof Coins (Four-Coin Set) 10,250 N/A $5,055.00

The product limit is the maximum number of coins issued in that specific product whereas the mintage limit is the maximum number of coins of that denomination. For example, the product limit of the four-coin set has been established at 10,250. An additional 5,625 of the one-ounce coins will be available as an individual release giving the $50 coin a total mintage limit of just 15,875.

All products have an initial household order limit of one.

If any of the products last, their prices may be adjusted weekly based on the Mint’s precious metals coin pricing matrix. Current U.S. Mint gold coin prices are based on an average of LBMA gold that is within $1,800.00 to $1,849.99 an ounce.

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Daniel

A question from the cheap seats:
Are you chaps who will be purchasing all 4 gold eagles, be purchasing them as the 4 coin set? Or as individual coins?

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b k

@ $900 Over spot per ounce!

paul chiu

the 1oz is the value play. the 4-unit set has no mintage limit (i don’t know what that means) is the second-best value.

i will try ordering the 1oz, then the set. in that order.

Larry T

How is the 1 oz gold coin a “value play?” You’re paying $900+ over spot! I’m going to try for the set, even at these outrageous prices.

Seth Riesling

paul chiu – The 4-coin set has a product limit of 10,250 sets as shown in the chart above & on the Mint’s website. The 1-ounce coin alone has a mintage limit of 15,875 (10,250 in the 4-coin sets & 5,625 of the 1-ounce coin sold as a separate product option as shown in the chart above, for a total of 15,875 of the 1-ounce coins). With about a $900 premium over spot gold price today for the 1-ounce coin, I’ll go for the 4-coin set only & get them all at once since the others may sell out faster… Read more »

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Larry T

Seth, I think you were wrong about your assessment of people willing to pay $5055 for the 4 coin set. I would’ve agreed with you 100% on that except I saw how fast the last version of these coins sold out.As I’ve already stated, I’m totally amazed how fast these new versions vanished. Congratulations on securing your set!

Seth Riesling

Larry T. – I guess in this Covid-era very high overall coin market, I should not be so surprised that a gold 4-coin set with an issue price of $5,055 with a new reverse design went “Currently Unavailable” in like 10 minutes. It’s crazy, I know – but I’m buying for my 4 nephews who will get most of my collection when I’m gone. Plus, I basically got hooked on numismatics with interest in coins, tokens, medals & paper money when I was 10 years old (started buying directly from the Mint at age 14 in 1976) & I can’t… Read more »

Larry T

Seth, your nephews are sure lucky to have you as a Uncle. By the time you do pass these on, hopefully in many years to come, their value will have appreciated nicely. I don’t buy the gold Proofs every year but I did want the 1st year of new designed coins. I have several of the earlier sets and all have increased in value. I still don’t like having to pay $900 over spot to the Mint for gold!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry, There is another way to look at this, and not in an absolute but in a relative way. The premium you’re paying for this gold Eagle is roughly 50% over spot. The premium we all just paid for each of the silver Eagles was about 200% over spot. Approached that way, the surcharge percentage-wise on the gold coin being just 1/4 of what it is on the silver coin represents what amounts to quite a bargain. What on the other hand makes the premium on the gold coin appear so formidable is the vastly different bottom line value of… Read more »

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Mark D.

Comrade, any idea why 2 of the “share” links on all our comments go to Russia?

Kaiser Wilhelm

Mark,

Comrade Markovitch, technical inquiry if you please:

Whereof doth thou speaketh?

Der Kaiser

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Mark D.

Click on the sideways “share”caret next to commenter’s name, then click on either of the two icons that arent Twitter.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Seth,

Sheesh, as if I needed any further evidence of my not so slowly and quite surely advancing age these days. It was easy from doing the math to realize that I was already in high school when you first arrived in this world and my first child was in fact born when you had just begun collecting coins. What gives here?

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Kaiser Wilhelm

paul,

First of all, “No Mintage Limit” does not mean unlimited mintage. What it does signify is that for that particular item no specific number of coins etc. has been designated to be minted. Some typical examples of this would be the annual Proof, Silver Proof, and Uncirculated Sets.

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Larry T

Daniel,If you buy the 4 coin set, the Mint “saves” you about $50 over buying all 4 separately. Woopee!

Seth Riesling

Larry T –

Good one! Like using a coupon…Lol.

NumisdudeTX

Jake

Lol. I dont look at it that way if thats the case one could argue, you have to spend $5,055 just to save 50 bucks lol.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Jake,

$50 saved is $50 earned. 😉

Mark D.

$5,050 saved is one truly groovy gem 1921 Peace dollar earned.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Daniel,

Never sit in the cheap seats. They all too often come with an obstructed view, and when you’re looking at coins you want to be able to see them as clearly as possible.

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Jake

Woohoo got the 4 pack. Had three failed attempts, the 4th try I signed up for shipping reminder and while the order was being processed i got a confirmation text for shipping about 10 seconds later the page refreshed and I had an order successful, message. All done within 5 minutes

Larry T

Jake, I too was able to secure the 4 coin set…just barely! It took a few tries as getting through the CC and Place Order was screwy to say the least. I secured one of the last sets before it sold out. I was amazed that every single option to purchase the gold Eagles sold out it minutes! I never got the chance to buy the 1/10th gold coin!

Jake

Go now, thankfully I got the word they are available for backorder.

Larry T

Jake Thanks for the heads up although we’ll have to wait until Nov. 3rd to see if we get them!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry,

Fear not. You can always turn to Magic Mike “All I want is an arm and a leg and your firstborn” Mezack…such a dealmaker!

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Mark

Terrible system… Thought it was supposed to be fixed after their silver fiasco problems. Sat at my computer signed in to the website waiting for the reminder button to change to place in bag button and took care of business before the first 30 seconds was up. Immediately attempted check out. All my information was already in place for payment. After a slowdown for them to display my already inputted credit card information. Confirmed it and pushed placed order button. My processing bar slowed down to a crawl so I went back and went through the whole process again again… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Mark,

“Really pissed off” is the natural state of anyone who has not been invited to take part in the approved skimming of 10% of the coin stock off the top before release day and/or making one or more bulk purchase on the day of the sale.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Mark,

I completely forgot to mention how all this still managed to happen after the Mint held up further new releases until they got their website all fixed and ready to go! What a colossal joke that was, but rather unfunny in a more realistic sort of way. In fact, not the least bit funny at all for those unlucky folks who once again couldn’t get a single coin, but then, how very old has that story become by now.

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Jake

I mean it is only 10 percent and they are technically “coin retailers”

Mark

I had the same occurrence for their last silver fiasco but managed to get a coin after doing the same thing you did (shipping reminder).

Kaiser Wilhelm

Mark,

Doesn’t it seem like we’re trapped in a sort of “Groundhog Day” of permanent deja vu as one Release Day after another invariably ends up being a total fustercluck?

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Jake

It is interesting, perhaps a coincidence that worked again for me today

Mike

so already sold out in three minutes. Never even saw an option to get one – already said product unavailable

JWP

I went online around 11:39 CST and placed an order that went to backorder immediately. With in 5 minutes the order was in processing status and my CC has already been charged. Now this was for the $5 1/10 oz coin. Maybe that is why it was so easy. No bots here also.

Larry T

JWP, I hope you saw that the Mints expected availability date isn’t until November 3rd for the back ordered 1/10th Proof Eagle.

JWP

Not a problem, I’m waiting for 10 Morgan CC’s and 2 O’s. I can wait for another coin. Probably just an early Christmas gift. After 22 years in the military – waiting in in my DNA.

Larry T

Damn, congratulation on securing 10 Morgan CC’s and 2 O’s! I was only able to get 5 of the Morgan O’s and am thrilled about that. Fall is a favorite time of year for me and will be doubly so this year. Thank you for your service!

Rob S

Agreed (with Larry T). Congrats on the Morgans. The ordering snafu failed me (as much as many others) on those.
Debating whether I want to even try for the others (w/o a complete “set”).

Phil

I can’t speak for others, but if ya wanna get full set b4 secondary mrk, I’d keep plugging away w new releases. I guess I was fortunate getting conf of 5 ea CC & Mardis Gras. Doesn’t mean bunk till in hand, but if I come up short on nxt 4, I’d do a 1 for 1 swap as needed.

Larry T

Phil,

I don’t think I’ll be able to get all 4 of the remaining Morgan’s and Peace dollars, but I sure will try. Personally, I’d like to get the S Morgan next week and the Peace dollar after that. We will see as I’m expecting the Mints site to be erratic.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry,

I know I’m beating a dead horse here, but if the Mint won’t allow the enrollment process with regard to the Morgans and the Peace Dollars, by all rights you would think they’d be okay with suspending the 10% pre-buy event for the special customers and excluding the bulk purchases from either of these two sale dates. Of course, we all know that’s never going to happen.

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Larry T

Kaiser,

I certainly agree with you but if wishing, hoping, and wanting something to happen mattered, I’d be a billionaire. Our government no longer serves us, only those that enable them to secure more power and influence. Its all about the money baby! I’m sure you know that better than most.

Larry T

Kaiser,

As far as the enrollment for the Morgans and Peace coins, if they are to be issued only this year would it make sense to have an enrollment program? The enrollment program is usually reserved for continuing yearly issues. Now I’ve heard rumors of the Mint continuing these coins, but a rumor is just that.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry,

Excellent point. There have been some noises coming from the Mint of making them an annual affair, but that’s all it is so far, just talk.

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Phil

Larry & Kaiser, I’m wrong a lot, so feel free to correct. Imo, the important thing w/Morgan & Peace is that the mint is not bound for 2021 only by congress & can decide to continue? IF that’s true, why wouldn’t they want to make it a series that is a pretty safe bet to make $? I hopped on board thinking it was a 1 yr only & that’s all the effort I’m willing to put into it. Unless, they do like the palladium & dbl mintage nxt yr so one doesn’t have to stay wired at high noon… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Phil,

You are indeed correct; the Mint has no prohibition in place regarding the multi-year minting of the Morgan and Peace dollars; it is entirely a Mint decision. Apparently a decision has not yet been made, or if it has, it is yet to be made public knowledge.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry,

I would make the case that our government has never served us, nor was it ever meant to. This, like all other such entities on earth, is a government of the elite and for the elite, and everyone else is but a source of labor, capital and cannon fodder. All governments are either oligarchies, plutocracies or kleptocracies and/or any combination of those options. Nothing more, nothing less.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Phil,

You make a good point about nothing ventured, nothing gained. However, the fact that the distribution strategy of the Mint favors the big dealers and re-sellers makes the playing field very uneven and seriously complicates the issue. In short, the odds are stacked quite heavily against us in this rigged game.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Rob,

You were one of many in that regard. At the same time, isn’t it amazing that no matter how tight these supplies are and how often this happens, the big re-selling aka flipping profiteers always seem to have plenty of everything to sell us at around three to thirty times the Mint price. How very nice for them.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

JWP,

Nothing wrong with having something nice to look forward to. 🙂

And thank you for your long service!

Kaiser Wilhelm

JWP,

I’m willing to bet that when there is temporarily a very limited availability of a given product, by which I mean a number even below the indicated mintage limit, whatever coins the Mint does have on hand go to the 10% (of the total mintage) pre-buyers and the 40-unit bulk purchasers first, as it has been clearly demonstrated time and again and in such a wide variety of ways that in the Mint’s hierarchy of importance the individual coin collector always come last.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

JWP,

I am very skeptical about there being anything whatsoever intentionally designed to be “easy” about the Mint’s ordering website. Lucky, sure, but easy, never.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Mike,

I would be more surprised if that didn’t happen, since this is the way the Mint’s product release days of the more desirable items have typically been going the last few years.

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Rob S

The wings were clipped on this design. Looks more like a parakeet to me. lolz While not a fan of the new design, yeah I ordered the 1 oz (mine mine mine) and 1/10th oz (for my sis / bro in-law for xmas) since its the 1st year. I got nervous because I initially got the page not found glitch on checkout. But went back to the cart and re-did it and it looks like it went thru. Wont be 100% sure until they say they honored the order – got the confirmation they GOT the order tho. Maybe we’ll… Read more »

Rob S

Hmmm. Ordered these Type 2 AGEs and about 25 mins later got my 3 W T2 ASEs!! Happy day (except the cost).

Larry T

Rob S, I hope your sister and her husband appreciate your gift. nothing like receiving gold to brighten up one’s day! Are you sure we aren’t related? LOL

Rob S

They’re very appreciative, but kinda “forced collectors”, since I’ve been getting them the 1/10th for a while now – since my nieces were born in the 90s probably. It made some sense since it depicted a family of eagles, but now … ?? (its just gold?) I felt a bit guilty since its only the size of a dime, but I know the cost! This year it looks like they’re getting a Type 1 *AND* 2!! (received order confirmation) I joined PCGS last year (and re-up’d again this year) and got their 2020 coin graded. They can scan it in… Read more »

Carl Warren

i’ve bought the gold proofs for my grandsons as a HS/college graduation present. So far, 3 down, 2 to go in a few more years. Hopefully ordering one won’t be an issue at that time. Affordability, well…..that’s a different story

Kaiser Wilhelm

Carl W,

It’s very thoughtful and generous of you to do that. It’s not only a wonderful gesture by itself but it might even motivate them to take up the hobby also.

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Mammoth

WOW, the 1-oz Proof Gold Eagle sold out in just 9 minutes.
(At $900 over the spot price.)

Rob S

$900 over spot …
The Air Force needs its diamond studded hammers and airplane transmission wrench sets. lol

Kaiser Wilhelm

Mammoth,

Perhaps events like the one you described above can help us put to rest all of those dire warnings about the impending demise of our beloved hobby.

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silverinvestor

1/2 oz sold out in 10mins. what the hell? Next one , Silver reverse proof set must be BIG Hit .

Larry T

I hope they mint more than 30,000 of the Reverse ASE Sets, as I really want one! Let’s hope they keep the HHO limit to one set. And yet we still have to worry about procuring the remaining Morgans and Peace Dollars. I can’t wait for Fall to arrive!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry,

The Mint obviously hasn’t published the Mintage yet, but what I take as at least a slight ray of hope is that this Reverse Proof ASE Set isn’t of the Enhanced variety like that other by now totally infamous coin from 2019 was. From that prior experience I would imagine that the last “ingredient” would surely prove to be the clincher for this being yet another 11:59 A.M. (at least it certainly seemed to me like that was how long it took at the time) beyond-instant sellout.

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Kaiser, As far as the S and D minted Morgans, are you going to try and buy both? If the website becomes as slow as I expect, I’ll probably go for one of the two Morgans.I know it’s frustrating getting booted from the payment page (it’s happened to me more than a few times!) but if we got everything or every coin we wanted, wouldn’t it be a bit boring? I’m going into this fray ‘hoping’ to get one of the coins. If I can secure two, man that would be heaven! Good luck to all of us drooling coin… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Larrry Y, In a word, yes, although I have been very ambivalent about these Morgan Dollar centennial “reproductions” from the beginning. I didn’t even try for the first two since by definition they didn’t have mintmarks but “privy mintmarks” instead, because they obviously weren’t able to be made at their no longer existing original mints. The two Morgan Dollars going on sale tomorrow were on the other hand actually produced at their original Mints, so they will display actual mintmarks rather than privy marks, and that feature is unequivocally more appealing to me. For the final release I will go… Read more »

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Adam L

I purchased only the 1/2 ounce one already got the confirmation email. Easier than ever got it with no errors or delay less than 1 minute : ). I figured that one is best value based on mintage.

Peter Lowell Gordon

Got my 1/2 ounce and 1/10 ounce with only one problem The first time I entered my payment information I got booted out with the message that the page was not available. The second time it went through and I have received the email confirming my purchase. Total time was 3 minutes.

Rob S

Same here. I got that too. But it went thru (at least to acknowledgement).

Christopher

I received that same message, Peter, before my order went through. I normally do not buy gold (I love silver), but I was hoping to at least purchase the 1/10th ounce and I got it. I have to think I was very lucky to get it. I ordered it via my tablet and WiFi in the parking lot of my part-time job.

Peter Lowell Gordon

All of the coins and set are unavailable except the 1/10th ounce. As of 9:51 am (PT) it is showing backordered.

Jake

PLG, my man, thank you. I was able to backorder one of the 10th ounce also. 12:10 CST it was still available for backorder.

Sherry

Has any of you that ordered received your confirmation emails yet?

Jay

I received my separate emails for my 1/10, 1/4 and 1 oz coins. My finger is tired from the frenzied clicking!!!

Larry T

Jay, Those fingers should be in the Olympics! They would certainly win the “gold medal.” By the time I got the 4 coin set, all the other ones were gone. I don’t know if the back ordered 1/10th ounce coin will ever be delivered to me.

Adam L

Hi Sherry I received the order confirmation at 11:02am MST and the we received your order at 10am MST. I only ordered the 1/2 ounce

Adam L

Oh I just checked my bank account and they already processed it from my checking account.

Rob S

Charge was pending on my card right away but got the conf 1:54 after order.

Wild Bill coins

I got my confirmation for the 4 coin set

Mammoth

That $5,055 for the four-coin set bought 1.85 oz. of gold.
This would have bought 2½ 1-oz random year gold eagles from a website I just checked.
– The difference between collecting vs. investing…

Larry T

Mammoth, I do both, but my investing is related to the stock market, I wanted to get the first year set and wasn’t too concerned about the price. Although, I have seen sites that would pay those of us that were able to buy the 4 coin set more than what we paid. Also, I could sell every single gold coin that I have purchased over the years for more money than what I paid. As an example, my 2006 Proof Buffaloes that I paid $800 per would sell for $1836 today (at just spot value for gold!) And with… Read more »

Christopher

Received my order confirmation for the 1/10th ounce at 02:49EST.

Larry T

Received my confirmation from the Mint for the set at 3:47PM!

Sherry

Have you guys seen on the website where you can buy a pretty customized velvet box with a personalized message for $8.95 when available?It wasn’t on there when they were on sale earlier.We are now going to pay for the nice velvet box.

Sherry

I looked again and it is on the type 1 coins not the type 2?????It is confusing,so why are these not available on the type 2 coins?

Larry T

Sherry, I would suggest that you call the Mint and ask customer service if they have any of those boxes. I’ve always just liked the OGP that the coins come in. Good luck with your quest!

Daniel
Kaiser Wilhelm

Daniel,

With the requirement in place of having to buy these in lots of 100, I don’t see how could they be meant for anyone other than (large) quantity re-sellers. The Mint may as well have put a title on the webpage of “Coin Holders For Bulk Purchasers”.

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Mammoth

This US Mint packaging is just what the dishonest folks out there need, to sell the FAKE chinese coins that are flooding the market.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Mammoth,

From what I’ve learned about the counterfeiting practices of the Chinese, they have been making fake slabs with copied real serial numbers. This works much better for them than OGB because you would have to break the coin out to test and/or examine it.

Seth Riesling

Kaiser – these boxes have been available for a number of years in bulk for the dealers. But, the Mint knows this fact & does nothing about this abuse, as follows – unscrupulous coin dealers/flippers etc. buy these boxes from the Mint & put the common bullion version ASE $1 coins(& the bullion version gold & platinum coins also) in them since the silver ones are issued by the Mint in plastic tubes of 20 coins to the bullion version precious metals coin Authorized Purchasers (about 12 companies in the USA, Germany & Japan) in the separate program from the… Read more »

Larry T

Seth, I know coin hawkers like Mike “these coins are rarer than rare” Mezak and others are selling MS coins as those they are something special, but I’ve never seen them stating that these are Proof coins. I like watching these polished snake oil salesmen to see some of the newly released coins but wonder who would buy these at such ridiculous prices. I am well aware that our country is full of naive, gullible consumers.

Mark D.

And voters. Oops. Did I text that out loud?

Larry T

Mark,

Careful FaceBook will ban you. Oh, that’s right, we’re not on FB! Lol

Mark D.

Phew! Thanks for the caution Mr. T. I pity the… oh, never mind.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry,

I don’t think this is about MS being passed off as Proof but rather Bullion masquerading as Uncirculated Collector Coins.

Mark D.

The motto on my corporation’s crest is, “Carpe Per Diem.”

Seth Riesling

My corporation crest for
Pimp Co. has the motto “Coitus Per Diem” on it, and on the back is, “A dollar makes me holler”.

Mark D.

Does that translate to, “Having a f’d-, up day”?

Seth Riesling

Baa, Baa, I have to go to sheep, I mean sleep, now…yea that’s the ticket.

NumisdudeTX

Kaiser Wilhelm

A coin with shine will make me whine,
while one of steel will make me squeal,
a coin of gold will make me bold,
with a coin of brass you can kiss my …

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Seth,

I’ve been alerting the world (or my little part of it anyway) about this practice for quite a while now. Amazon, ebay, etsy and of course the online and tv hawkers are all taking part in this game. All these grifters, fraudsters and assorted other all-around crooks get away with this because so few people are adequately informed. I feel sorry for the people who get taken, especially because they are the most vulnerable and can least afford it.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Seth,

I think a lot of these are simply re-used boxes from Mint numismatic coins that these re-sellers have had graded and slabbed.

Rich

On a different note, regarding another big gold coin going on sale August 19, 2021, the Mint recently posted the product/mintage limit for the 2021-W $100 American Liberty High Relief Gold Coin, with mintage = 12,500. This makes the new bucking American Mustang horse American Liberty gold coin the lowest mintage of the American Liberty Gold Coin Program series. Here are the numbers to compare for the series — 2015-W $100 High Relief Brilliant Uncirculated: mintage = 49,325 2017-W $100 High Relief Proof: latest sales = 33,859 2018-W $10 Proof: latest sales = 42,760 2019-W $100 High Relief Enhanced Uncirculated:… Read more »

Daniel

As someone who enjoys the American Liberty series, I find that bucking horse is a ridiculous (near comical) looking representation. I only started buying the series because I loved the look of the 2017 High Relief coin. I wasn’t going to bother with his next one … but god damnit … with numbers like that FOMO will make me join the chaos.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Daniel,

I’m actually okay with the bucking horse (I guess we Austrians are natural born Alpine cowboys) but the “meaning” the Mint has chosen to attribute to it is downright embarrassing. I mean really, “throwing off the yoke of British rule”…say what? Throwing off his rider, sure. A powerful representation of the throwing off the scourge of slavery, well certainly. Even a metaphorical throwing off of the curse of polio would make much more sense than giving our current number one allies in the world a swift modern day kick in the long-ex-colonial rear. Egad!

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Seth Riesling

Kaiser –

Maybe a Lady Godiva-like nude Lady Liberty riding a horse bareback & sideways as a true Lady would, is next in this somewhat “freaky” series of gold coins from the U.S. Mint…
I can’t draw stick people so to speak as far as my artistic ability goes…maybe you or one of the ladies & gentleman on this numismatics blog might be able to submit such a design to U.S. Mint Debacle Director David J. Ryder! Lol.

NumisdudeTX

Jake

Now that would be fancy. It would be freaky if it was Michelle my bell Obama lol

Kaiser Wilhelm

Jake,

We’re looking for someone with professional poise here, so already nude photographed Melania would comfortably fit the bill to a T.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Seth,

I would be all for the bareback au naturel, and I don’t mean to be too picky here, but shouldn’t it be someone from the closest thing we have as our nation’s “royal family”, which is to say Kim Kardashian herself?

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Seth Riesling

Like Ivanka, she’s a feckless “K”unt I hear from Samantha Bee…Lol.

NumisdudeTX

Kaiser Wilhelm

Seth,

What the feck?

By the way, I thought it was hilarious when “Battlestar Gallactica” employed frack as their euphemism of choice. But then, we’re certainly not the only country in the world that represses sexuality but extolls violence; what a strange world!

Note that as per the punctuation in the caption below the jolly parents are about to go bag their own son as fair game…yikes!

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Christopher Williams

Just received shipping notification for my 1/10 ounce coin.

AverageCollector

The Mint shipped my 1 oz. 2021 Type 2 Gold Eagle today, but oddly they just shipped it first class with USPS tracking (in the past whenever I have ordered a gold coin from US Mint it has always been shipped with some kind of signature confirmation delivery (usually via UPS). I know that most delivery services are waiving getting required signatures still because of COVID anyway (at least my mail carrier and UPS courier still just leave packages at my door). Regardless, I just thought it strange that the Mint would send a coin of such value first class… Read more »

Larry T

I’ve been curious as to why the Mint hasn’t required a signature for delivery of certain precious metal coins for some time. I was able to buy the 4 coin AGE set and will calling my cc should the USPS fail to deliver it to my address. I am fortunate to have a very reliable postal employee and I will be tracking its progress. It’s still being processed.

Adam L

Did you use a physical address or PO Box? I always use a PO box and all my orders go to the post office via USPS. I live in a small town and don’t have rual delivery. Put I prefer the post office in case I’m out of town. I got my AGE 1/2oz on 8/4. I’m going to take it to the World Fair of Money to grade it.

AverageCollector

Oh, even odder to me: I forgot to mention that my three ASE Type 2 that I ordered on 7/20 are still in processing status. The method of shipping still reads ‘USPS first class or UPS’. Nothing changed. I’m wondering why the US Mint able to ship my gold eagle on the next day after order, but no movement with the ASE’s still?

c_q

My order from 7/20 didn’t ship til a couple days ago. I had called them the day before that to confirm that nothing was wrong – in the past, I’ve had orders stuck in ‘processing’ due to a credit card processing issue which they never let me know about. In this case, there was no issue, it was literally still just ‘processing’.

Kaiser Wilhelm

AverageCollector,

Actually, the Mint itself doesn’t ship anything, as it contracts all its customer deliveries to a third party in Memphis, Tennessee. The four U.S. Mint locations transfer their products to that private contractor at that single distribution center and from there everything is shipped nation and worldwide via the appropriate carrier.

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JWP

They need to hire a new contractor. I live less than 30 miles from Memphis. When my ASE T2 order was sent to me – they sent on a 230 mile side trip to Nashville. It was then shipped back to Memphis – and 5 days later I receives it via USPS. I should of received it in 2-3 days instead 8 days. I can only sum it up with this old Navy term “BOHICA”, which is short for – Bend Over Here It Comes Again! The Mint and USPS always supply only the best service that $$ can buy… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

What’s the one damning thing the US Mint and USPS have in common? They are both run by incompetent lame duck appointees of Mr. “How dare you claim I didn’t win the election!” himself. It’s rather unfortunate that we find ourselves stuck with this dysfunctional legacy for the foreseeable future.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

JWP,

On a more specific note, one of my Mint shipments once took the short trip from the Memphis USPS hub to the Memphis Annex and then ended up languishing at the latter for well over a week. It wasn’t until after a veritable barrage of phone calls and emails from me to the USPS was someone finally motivated enough to go track down the package at the Annex and lo and behold within a few days it was in my hot little hands.

AverageCollector

Danke fur die Erklarung, Herr Kaiser:) Das wusste Ich nicht. Leider ist meine drei ASE Type 2 Bestellung noch in ‘processing’ Zustand nach beinahe zwei Wochen. Keine Anderung. Wahrscheinlich werde Ich meine Munze nie bekommen…. Ich kann das nicht verstehen, weil meine Bestellung wurde eingetragen 12:04 PM. Benutzt der Absender ‘die altesten Antrage zuerst’ Regel, oder? Meine KreditKarte ist gultig (Der Absender ist meine AGE Type 2 schon Freitag ausgesendet…) Bitte verzeihen Sie mir meine abscheuliche Deutsch (Die Grammatik ist immer fur mich sehr schwierig zu lernen!).

Kaiser Wilhelm

AverageCollector, You certainly have no cause to apologize for your level of command of the German language; it is most impressive! I can’t understand why the Mint would keep your three ASE Type 2 in the Processing mode for so extraordinarily long; that simply makes no sense. And as far as I know there aren’t any specific “who goes first and why” guidelines in place which would determine the order of their release from the queue. Personally, I believe it just depends on pure luck as to when the coins currently being prepared become yours. I hope you receive your… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

AverageCollector,

By the way, this was the coinage in Germany the year I was born in Austria.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

By the way, the title says “Germany under Allied Occupation” and the coin is a 10 Pfennig piece from 1947, two years before West Germany was given its independence from Allied Occupational control.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Correction, 10 Reichspfennig. The Reich part wasn’t removed until Germany was granted its currency independence in 1948, the year after this coin.

AverageCollector

Herr Kaiser, thanks for the kind compliment: I have tried my best to learn German (an intricate, rich and fascinating language) in some of my free time over the past quarter century or so of my life. At this point, I’ve come to realize that I will never have all of the pieces of this ‘jigsaw puzzle’, but I maybe have a decent idea of what the complete picture might look like (to use a rough, imperfect analogy). It’s definitely nice to get the chance to pen a few lines with a fellow speaker/writer of the language from time to… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

AverageCollector,

Thank you for the very kind, thoughtful and generous response, and a most hearty welcome to the crazy/confusing world of German. Happy further language learning, and happy collecting to you to!

Big T

Think I’ll just get the bullion one on providentmetals.com for 5% over spot. Won’t be a proof, of course, but will still just be a bullion coin that isn’t shiny, if you know what i mean…

Kaiser Wilhelm

Big T,

Whatever floats your coin collecting boat, my friend. Per Taj Mahal, “Ain’t nobody’s business but your own.”

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Daniel

I’ve got a question (and I will raise it again in the inevitable 2-Coin Gold Eagle thread) …. How are they having a 5,000 product limit on the 2-Coin Set?
I can’t see how this can be achieved without falsifying Product Limit numbers
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Kaiser Wilhelm

Daniel,

If anyone has solved this perplexing mystery, I haven’t as yet seen the solution.

Rodney Moore

The 08-15 Mint cumulative sales figures show that there was 12,680 four coin sets sold and 5,570 single gold one ounce coins sold for a grant total of 18,250 one ounce gold coins sold. Per the mintage limits on the Mint website and per this article, there seems to be about 2,400 one ounce gold coins sold over the limit (2,375 to be exact). There was even an “explainer” paragraph in the above article near the bottom of the page that said “For example, the product limit of the four-coin set has been established at 10,250. An additional 5,625 of… Read more »

Paul Bergeron

Why were 12680 sets of 4 gold proof “Type 2” coins sold when the product limit was 10250? (Product 21EFN)