2021-W $100 Proof American Liberty Gold Coin Launch

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Liberty takes on a new look with the United States Mint’s release at noon ET of the 2021-W $100 Proof American Liberty Gold Coin. This high relief collectible marks a unique design direction for the U.S. Mint’s American Liberty Gold Coin and Silver Medal Program which features products bearing modern renditions of the iconic figure of Liberty.

U.S. Mint product images for the 2021-W $100 Proof American Liberty High Relief Gold Coin
U.S. Mint product images for the 2021-W $100 Proof American Liberty High Relief Gold Coin. Each strike is packaged in a black presentation box with sleeve and accompanied by a Certificate of Authenticity.

Struck at the West Point Mint in .9999 fine, 24-karat gold to a collector proof finish, this coin has a mintage maximum of only 12,500 pieces and a household order limit of one for the first 24 hours of sales.

Since its creation over 225 years ago, the U.S. Mint has typically depicted Liberty in the form of allegorical female figures. That changes with this release as the Mint explores the concept of Liberty beyond those previous incarnations. The new obverse (heads side) design is described by the U.S. Mint as:

"A wild American Mustang horse bucking off a western-style saddle, evoking the throwing-off of the yoke of British rule during the American Revolution."

As for the Mint’s American Liberty series, it debuted in 2015 with a design showcasing a female figure with a torch and flag.

2015-W $100 American Liberty High Relief Gold Coin in Hand
Here are CoinNews photos of both sides of a 2015-W $100 American Liberty High Relief Gold Coin.

It was followed in 2017 and 2018 with Liberty depicted as an African American woman, facing left, wearing a crown of stars in homage to the bronze Statue of Freedom topping the dome of the U.S. Capitol.

2017 American Liberty Gold Coin - Obverse and Reverse
Here are CoinNews photos of both sides of a 2017-W $100 Proof American Liberty High Relief Gold Coin.

In 2019, the released coin offered a radiant portrait of Lady Liberty.

2019-W $100 American Liberty 1 oz. Gold Coin
Here are CoinNews photos of both sides of a 2019-W $100 Enhanced Uncirculated American Liberty High Relief Gold Coin

2021 American Liberty Gold Coin Designs

U.S. Mint Artistic Infusion Program Artist Beth Zaiken created the new coin’s depiction of a bucking Mustang horse which is centered on a rising sun. U.S. Mint Medallic Artist Craig Campbell sculpted it. Inscriptions around the design read: LIBERTY, 2021 and IN GOD WE TRUST.

Obverse or heads side of the 2021 Proof American Liberty Gold Coin
Obverse or heads side of the 2021 Proof American Liberty Gold Coin

Found on the gold coin’s reverse is a close-up view of an eagle with an open beak as designed by Artistic Infusion Program Artist Richard Masters and sculpted by Medallic Artist Phebe Hemphill.

Reverse or tails side of the gold coin
Reverse or tails side of the gold coin

Reverse inscriptions include E PLURIBUS UNUM, 1 OZ., .9999 FINE GOLD, $100 and UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

Coin Specifications

Denomination: $100
Finish: Proof
Composition: 99.99% Gold
Diameter: 1.205 inches
(30.61 mm)
Weight: 1.0000 troy oz.
(31.108 grams)
Edge: Reeded
Mint: West Point
Mint Mark: W

 

Price and Ordering

Priced at $2,715.00, order the high relief 2021-W $100 Proof American Liberty Gold Coin from the U.S. Mint beginning at Noon ET via their online store page dedicated to gold coins.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

I was hoping the Mint would eventually come to whatever senses it might still possess and stop using that inconceivably absurd and laughably anachronistic analogy of the image of the bucking horse “evoking the throwing off of the yoke of British rule”. Apparently that is too much to ask, because it is still being presented in its full inglorious ridiculousness.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Speaking of throwing off the yoke, here’s a link to some outstanding news about how the Treasury Department’s Office of the Inspector General will look into, among other issues extremely relevant to the numismatic community, the secretive practices of the U.S. Mint in respect to how they shortchange the collector in collusion with the big dealers, ones whose names the Mint has refused to reveal:

https://www.coinworld.com/news/us-coins/monday-morning-brief-for-aug-16-2021-treasury-oig-investigation

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Rob S

Agreed. While I think this is 1 of the better designs I’ve seen for this coin, the background info turns me off more than it probably should. *shrug* I mean I kinda like the bronco, but the text misrepresents it IMO. And I’ve said it before but I like the eagle close-up better than the AGE “chicken-head” (altho when I turn that coin over to the St Gaudens, it makes it all better for me). Well, that and the $2700+ cost bucks me off. Plus I want to get the Palladium in Sept which will clock in at well over… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rob S,

I agree it has a both a novel and appealing design, but I also stand by my opinion that the Mint missed the boat completely in how they marketed it. Throwing off the British yoke my *ss! A classic example of historical sloppiness made all the more egregious by the fact there was no need to go that route as there were so many other avenues of interpretation open.

Mark Tercsak

Concur what a ridiculous design

Kaiser Wilhelm

Mark,

Actually, I didn’t really say that I found the design wanting, but the concept itself, at least the way the Mint tried to present it, is totally ludicrous.

Joe

Mint current price of $2,715…..only 12,500 minted…….

And already on ebay for $4,300 to $5,000.

When is the mint going to wake up and stop this nonsense !!??

ANSWER: NEVER

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Coinman

I hate to tell you Joe, but the mint is NEVER going to stop this nonsense, because they are raking in BIG BUCKS by constantly creating artificial shortages, cleverly repackaging already minted coins, ie., the 2 coin gold designer sets, etc. Not to mention their secret and underhanded dealings with the so called authorized purchasers. Hopefully the coming Treasury investigation into their business practices may reign them in somewhat. Let’s hope.

Larry T

You actually believe any government entity will correct an injustice or problem? The only accomplishment this ‘investigation’ will bring to fruition is spending more taxpayers $$$. At least the lawyers will make out like bandits (they always do!) If only they could somehow involve Donald in this, then Hell all bets are off!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry, I’m going to venture into a friendly disagreement with you in regards to the Mint situation simply because Ryder is a Trump appointee and I think the former President knew exactly what he was doing when he chose this man for the Director’s position. After all, Trump has never hidden his natural affinity for those of his own economic class so there is no reason to find it surprising that the Mint has as a consequence been inclined to favor the interests of the big bucks folks over those of the little people. Granted, for all I know the… Read more »

Larry T

Kaiser, I think you’re overthinking the situation with regards to Ryder. One of the criticisms I had with Donald was his lack of ‘vetting’ key personnel in his Administration. One day they were the greatest, smartest mind on the planet, the next they were brainless fools. It told me he wasn’t interested in interviewing these people with due diligence. You might be correct with Ryder’s appointment, but I don’t think Donald gave it much thought. I always see our government ‘leaders’ in the same light as sports coaches…always recycled no matter how incompetent they might be! Just look at our… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry,

I have to say I was already going to change my mind and agree with you on this one, and now upon giving it further thought – and reading the wisdom of your latest comment – even more readily so.

This is purely a Mint problem and has nothing to do with any outside forces or circumstances.

I’ve never had a Coin and Chronicles Set; now I’ll have to check it out.

Carl Warren

Kaiser and Larry T,

While we have issues with the direction the Mint has taken and, ultimately Ryder, since he’s the person in charge, I wouldn’t consider him a Trump crony. He did, after all, receive unanimous consent from the Senate when confirmed.

Plus, it’s not like he was an unknown to the DC swamp. He was Mint director for 41 (recess appt.) and Slick Willy.

Carl Warren

who knows, maybe Ryder is a closet never-trumper

Kaiser Wilhelm

Carl,

Maybe Ryder got bucked off the golden horse; that would sure explain a lot!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Carl,

Excellent points. I see we’re going to have to forget all the peripherals and figure out how to “deal” with the shenanigans of this gent mano a mano.

Larry T

Kaiser,

I’m with you on that. You can probably infer from my posts that I’m not a ‘fan’ of our government, it’s gotten much too big and incompetent ( in my humble opinion.) We know this has affected the Mint to some degree, but at least they are providing some outstanding coins for us this calendar year. Or, at least for those of us lucky and quick enough to secure them! And they’ve given us a respite for the rest of the month in order to regroup and prepare for what will surely be more ‘shenanigans’ in September!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry, While I agree that our government may be somewhat unwieldy and more top heavy than it has any need to be, I at the same time cannot deny that I would rather live here than anywhere else in the world. There is, after all, a reason that people choose to come here from literally everywhere else; meanwhile the outflow, while it does exist and we do have quite a number of expatriates, is but a trickle in comparison. Whenever I start to complain about “how bad things are here”, my dear wife asks me where exactly would I rather… Read more »

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry & Coinman,

The optimist in me hopes Coinman is right, the pessimist on the other hand fears that Larry might be right. The Collector Versus Director contest commences (continues?).

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry,

I don’t think it’s Donald you need, it’s his money-wise uncle. After all, he’s so extravagantly wealthy we don’t have to worry about his being bought.

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Phil

That guy looks familiar. My idol, lol

Kaiser Wilhelm

Phil,

For as rich as Scrooge McDuck is, why can’t he afford a pair of pants?

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Bill

I will bet you money that one of Donald’s troop had them make 30K of the 2019S RP ASE and then ensured they and their friends got most of them. I certainly didn’t get one. That is the kind of crooked con man he is and the type of associates (family) he has. Want to bet?

Kaiser Wilhelm

Bill,

From the speckled history of the U.S. Mint and the assorted shenanigans of its various Directors, I would more likely point the fickle finger of fate, so to speak, at him. He, after all, fits the typical profile.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry,

I saw that Donald got booed in Alabama for daring to address the absolute necessity and urgency of the need for Covid-19 vaccinations for everyone. Apparently even one of the core states of his base doesn’t want to listen to him if he won’t say exactly what they want to hear. And they’re not the only ones who refuse to listen to reason, as currently one third of hospital workers nationwide are resisting vaccination. One does wonder.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Coinman,

What gives me hope in this regard is that the Treasury is now under Biden’s control while the Mint remains a Trump legacy operation. The current Treasury Secretary might be a bit less tolerant of the rogue Trump era shenanigans that the Mint has been engaged in courtesy of the underlying money goes only to money principles and consequent rich get richer practices of the previous administration.

Daniel

Orange man bad

Larry T

Daniel,

You do realize that Biden is the new ‘orange man’, just look at him with his interview with that suck up George Stephanopoulos! What’s really scary is he didn’t remember whether his dead son was in the Navy or the Army!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry,

I just read about that. Rather frightening if you ask me!

Daniel

At least the mean tweets have stopped, eh?

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Daniel,

The business of America is Business, the entertainment of America is Hollywood, and the scourge of America is Politics.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry,

“Thank you all. I truly appreciate this award for Meme of the Week!”

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Daniel,

And there it is…

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Coinman

Kaiser,

You are having hope because the Treasury is now under Biden’s control? May God have mercy on us all! Biden in about just 7 months of his “leadership” is destroying this country! The debacle in Afghanistan is just one current example. I’ll take Trump any day compared to this feeble and incompetent 50 year career politician!

Larry T

Coinman,

I couldn’t agree more! My jaw literally dropped to the floor while reading that statement from Kaiser. Personally, I don’t believe Biden has control over his bowel movements. As hideous as this fool is, I hope he can last out his term. Have you been watching our VP?

Kaiser Wilhelm

Coinman and Larry T, I’m now worried that I given both of my numismatic buddies here the makings of a stroke. Dear lord, I’ll never forgive myself! Anyhow, if you remember what I just recently said about how there are schools of thought that don’t necessarily go to each other’s classes. There’s really no reason or need to get your blood pressure up about the kind of stuff that none of us has ever had or can ever hope to have any control over. Believe you me, I don’t put any more stock in Biden than I put in Trump.… Read more »

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry,

Sorry to cause you such a serious physical dislocation. Be sure to send the invoice for the dental and any other required restoration services directly to my other office at the Imperial Palace in Berlin c/o Der Kaiser Wilhelm. Danke Schoen und Alles Gute!

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Larry T

Kaiser,

My dentist is always complaining to me about how small my mouth is! So when my jaw ‘dropped to the floor’ I can affirm it clearly was painful! And no, I’m not going to hold you accountable..LoL.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry,

Good to hear. I was perplexed as to what to do next to assist in your speedy recovery. Ever since they took away my Graf Zeppelin dirigible perk, junked my WWI U-Boot and confiscated my Duesenberg I’ve been pretty much restricted to marching on these old no longer so imperial feeling legs. Ach du lieber!

Coinman

Larry T,
Our VP is a no show, a no act and dangerously on the left. She may even be worse than Biden, if that’s even possible. God help us!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Coinman,

The Afghanistan thing has gotten me really upset. What a tragedy for everyone – except those @#$%^&* Taliban – concerned!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Coinman,

I have faith that America is strong enough to survive all challenges, so I don’t think anyone is capable of “destroying” this country. Presidents come and go, but the nation perseveres. Long live America!

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Coinman

Kaiser,
Yes presidents come and go but they can leave a trail
of bitter and sometimes irreversible policies and images behind them. This current president has failed in all that he touches. He and his minions are turning this once great country into a socialist state. Venezuela used to be a thriving capitalist and wealthy country. That was before socialism “destroyed” it. Just saying.

Rooster

Coinman: Nailed it!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Coinman, I’m afraid that boat has long ago sailed. The government’s 2008 bi-partisan trillion-plus dollar overtly taxpayer-funded bailout of some of the largest players in the stock market, bank, insurance and real estate business – those very same putatively private sector actors who via their combined malfeasance initiated that Great Recession – signaled the victory of socialist state thinking in this country, and there hasn’t been any retreat from said philosophy since. Employing the now business as usual policy for which that precedent laid the cornerstone, whenever a major business concern finds itself in financial straits for whatever reason it… Read more »

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Perhaps I meant to say that ship as opposed to that boat has sailed, but then again boats are far more likely to have sails than ships do these days, aren’t they?

Anyway, what’s done is done and so there’s this…

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Coinman,

Any hope for that has flown out the window and back to Capistrano considering the absolute flustercuck now underway in Talibanistan!

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Coinman,

But is it the Mint that is really making all the money involved here or is it actually the re-sellers who are so clearly aided and abetted by the Mint in their constant striving for huge premiums that will yield them their immense profits?

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Coinman

They are BOTH quilty partners.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Coinman,

That they are, my friend, that they most certainly are. Or as the old expression goes, “partners in crime.”

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Coinman,

It has occurred to me that there is a major conflict of interest in having the Treasury Department investigate the Mint. Since all of the profits the Mint accrues are sent over to the Treasury to become part of the General Fund, it’s not in the Treasury Department’s interest to in any way hinder the ongoing maximum flow of a guaranteed source of its revenue. This seems to be yet another reason not to hold our breaths for the hope of any positive changes resulting from a Treasury Department investigation of the Mint’s operations.

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Chris

I remember back in 2017 I bought the Gold Liberty for 1495 I think. That’s was a lot now this one 2700 plus. Would have liked to keep seeing liberty allegory designs. But still to much for me for an unattractive coin in my opinion.

Daniel

Yeah, I ended up begrudgingly buying this to “complete the set”, even though I think it is ridiculous, and really ruins the beautiful aesthetics which the 2017 and 2019 coins displayed.
strange thing is you can still but the 2017 coin from the mint … albeit with a 2021price tag.
https://catalog.usmint.gov/american-liberty-225th-anniversary-gold-coin-17XA.html

Kaiser Wilhelm

Daniel,

More power to you that you had the means, and it certainly never hurts to complete a set either. I have the 1/10 oz. of the 2017 and I consider it the highlight of my collection. Also, I consider it entirely fitting that the spectacular 2017 1 oz. won the Coin of the Year award; if ever there was a worthy candidate!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Chris,

That is indeed one big chunk of change for just one coin and without a doubt out of my league. As Clint Eastwood said so very memorably in one of his movies, “A man’s got to know his limitations.”

Larry T

Joe,

Would you pay those ridiculous prices for a Liberty Coin? I won’t shell out $2700 for it, as it’ll leave me with ‘yoke’ on my face! My lineage traces back to the ‘bucked.’

Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry,

Quite frankly I wouldn’t pay that amount of moolah for any coin, but that’s a story unto itself.

As for who was “bucked off”, IMHO it was whoever was damn fool enough to try to ride that magnificent animal, but it sure as heck wasn’t the British. I’m guessing that last idea came from someone at the Mint who was smoking something from South of the Border rather than anyone sipping a “cuppa” English tea.

Seth Riesling

Kaiser – Lol. Or a “cuppa” ayahuasca! A coin with a “Ryder-less” horse!!?? That horse is having an epileptic fit…or someone slapped it in the a$$ hard…or it got spooked by a snake…or it is breeding/mating season…or it consumed a lot of fermented fruit from an untended garden while foraging…or it is fighting hard against the inevitable outcome of a horse tranquilizer it was slipped in its hay snack. In any case, Ed the talking horse would be ashamed of his cousin “Bucky” the bareback equine! Anyway, does anyone want to buy a slightly-used horse saddle!? – I’m only asking… Read more »

Jake

I appreciate your perspective Seth and also, thanks for your response on the other thread. Not to sound sacrilegious, but when I first saw this coin I felt the horse was throwing liberty off it’s back. What do I know, lol, stupid is as stupid does.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Seth,

In these politically correct days of trigger warnings et al, I would be very careful about using words like bareback and equine in the same sentence. Before you know it the SPCA will be all over you!

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Anyway, both the original bareback and the subsequent “bearback” photos are now dated and essentially incomplete, as the picture of the two bros of a different mother riding the range together semi-au naturale has become the far more impressive modern successor.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Joe,

It is no surprise that while ebay advertisers are already asking up to almost double the Mint price for this coin the profiteers at Pinehurst Coins are offering Mint buyers a “generous” premium of roughly 5% to forward this coin to Pinehurst for re-sale. Such a deal!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Joe,

While the ebay advertisements are already asking for twice the Mint price of the coin the professional profiteers at Pinehurst Coins are offering a premium of roughly 5% to anyone who purchased this item from the Mint and is foolish enough to settle for that piddling amount on the deal. Suckers to the left and right, everywhere!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Joe,

I have no clue as to why I responded to your comment with not one but two of what happened in fact to be somewhat similar but (thank heaven for small favors) not exactly identical comments of my own.

All I can say is this is what happens when you get old.

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c_q

those may be asking prices, taking a quick look at actual sales it’s more like 3200-3500. which is still crazy high since they are not sold out at the mint yet, just backordered at the moment, so why buy on ebay? do they not know the mint has a website? plus at $2715 the mint is already charging almost $1000 premium over the spot price of gold.

Joe

—so why buy on ebay? do they not know the mint has a website?—

To answer your question……..

P.T. Barnum said, “There’s a sucker born every minute“.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Joe,

And that sucker has more money – or in all too many sad cases, far too big a line of credit – than common sense (which by the way is a colossal misnomer, as good sense is hardly common at all).

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Big T

I guess I’m the only one that kind of likes the design – that said, I won’t be paying 2700 for it. For that price you can pick up a 1885 CC Morgan MS65PL – or maybe a 1921 high relief peace dollar in MS66 – or maybe even a 1877 trade dollar MS62… wouldn’t you rather have something like that?? Compared to all of these, this liberty gold coin is just not as exciting to me…

B K

I’m a fan of the design but not the price @ $2715. The mint can keep this one.

Kaiser Wilhelm

B K,

A big ditto from me on that analysis and resolution.

Mammoth

Big T – You aren’t alone in liking this coin’s design.
I appreciate the Mint thinking ‘outside the box’ on this one.

But at nearly $1,000 over the spot price, I’ll pass this one up.

Also – for anyone who actually believes that something substantial will come out of the Inspector General’s investigation into the secretive practices of how the Mint shortchanges the collector in collusion with the big dealers – well I’ve got a good deal on some Florida swampland for you.

Larry T

Mammoth,

You are such a smart and wise beast! Crank those printing presses up!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry,

The Mammoth Presses roll again! Let the good times roar!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Mammoth, That was my rationale for appreciating this particular coin’s design…it is just so “different”. And I was just as deterred by the price, although admittedly even without the over spot price premium it would exceed my allowance. Since I am responsible for having posted the link to the story about the Inspector General looking into the hijinks at the Keystone Kops Mint I am clearly also guilty of believing this looksee might actually do some good. If that should turn out to have been overly naive then line me up for some of that glorious Sunshine State swampland, although… Read more »

Larry T

Big T,

I like the 1885 CC idea!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry,

I like all of Big T’s alternate coin purchasing suggestions, but I also like the fact that I have no compulsion to procure any of them in actuality, so there’s that.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Big T,

In the end it all comes down to where ones artistic preferences and ones financial resources cross paths, and clearly the two have to be in synch in that regard.

Seb

I like this coin because it is a subtle allusion to the “Hey, diddle, diddle” lyrics only that instead of “The cow jumped over the moon” we have “The horse jumped over the sun”
Hopefully one of those private mints will make a round like this and replace LIBERTY with Hey, diddle, diddle

Kaiser Wilhelm

Seb,

And that mint could replace “In God We Trust” with “Never Trust A Horse”.

Seth Riesling

Kaiser –

May G-D bless you & the horse you rode in on with your poke full of gold coins depicting horses…and your largess handing out such legal tender to us bourgeoisie…let the good times roll!

NumisdudeTX

Kaiser Wilhelm

Seth,

As Elvis used to say in his own exquisitely inimitable way, “Thank yuh, thank yuh, thank yuh!”

Carol

Order went through on the first try. I guess there is not that much demand. Oh well. I like the look of the coin anyway.

B K

These will be around for a while, As with the 2018 hi relief, subject matter on the coin wasn’t in high demand to the collectors.
The mint will try to put the illusion of being back ordered to try and drive demand but it will be like the 2020 pladiam being a avabile for quit some time or until they give a dealer a offer he cant refuse, then it will be the rarest of rare, right here right now. Lol

Kaiser Wilhelm

B K,

If there is anything that the Mint is extremely practiced and consequently very efficient at it is creating illusions, probably better even than any television magician.

Your eyes will become heavy and your hands will move over your computer keyboard as you blissfully initiate your order for a half dozen of these.

Operators are standing. Bye.

Seth Riesling

Ambien has been known to cause sleep shopping on the Mint’s website! – just saying…lol

NumisdudeTX

Kaiser Wilhelm

Seth,

That might occur after getting a bowling ball to the medulla oblongata too…or was that in-a-gadda-da-vida; now I can’t remember which.

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Larry T

B K,

I absolutely love the Palladium coins. The ‘Winged ‘ Liberty on the obverse with the gorgeous eagle from the Walking Liberty Half on the reverse are so classic. But the Mint wants us to pay them $ 800-1000 each to mint them. As a result, I am palladium less, and will remain so until they make some pricing changes. Are you listening, Mint? And yes I really wanted the Reverse Proof Palladium in the worst way! But as they say, ” want isn’t the same as need.”

By the way, your middle initial isn’t ‘T’ is it?

Phil

Larry T,

The ’19 Pd is probably my 2nd favorite coin I’ve bought. Right behind the Tampa Bay Bucs souvenir SB 3×9 fine silver proof from Highland Mint earlier this yr. Lol

I’m not pretending to know the future, but Pd seems destined to drop as the ICE’s future looks bleak.

I’m still gonna hold on to my Pd coin if it’s value falls to legal tender, cause I love it’s design.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Phil,

Hold on to that Tampa Bay Bucs courtesy of the Highland Mint Silver Proof Coin. A team that has the Dynamic Duo of Brady and The Gronk on it is destined for even further greatness.

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Larry T

Phil, I’m a fan of Tom Brady and was really pleased to see the Buc’s win the SB last year. It was pitiful to watch most of the ‘reporters’ who interviewed the teams after the playoff games trying to infer it was Tom, and only Tom, responsible for their success. To his credit, he had to tell one ‘ to get someone else up here.’ The Buc’s had a great defense and offense which finally gelled at the right time! By the way, I like watching Mahomes as well, but let him play a while before crowning him as our… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry & Phil,

We New Englanders will always have a special place in our hearts for Tom Brady. Just because he (and Gronk) are in a different uniform now matters not a whit to us; he will always be The Greatest! I don’t know if he has it in him, or if the entire team will come together in the same fantastic way, but there is always an outside chance for another Super Bowl. It would be awesome!

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry,

I tend to notice the little things in people’s comments, like “your middle initial isn’t ‘T’ is it?”

Naw, I think that bad dude is still in the hoosegow.

Then again, a “celebrity” among us?”

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Larry T

Kaiser,

I was just trying to insert a little levity into the discussion, like my joke about Biden and the mint.gum. Now that was funny, right? “gum, oh my God, it’s gum!” Do you remember what movie that lines from? And Kaiser, although Dennis Rader is in prison (should be 6 feet under) he probably has access to a computer, the internet, and who knows what else.This is the internet where anything is possible.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry, The case in that regard that baffles me the most is the one of the Norwegian mass murderer who killed all those dozens of kids on that recreation island just to show his country was vulnerable to attack. The supreme irony is that Norway has a 20 year maximum prison penalty so one is released no matter how horrific the crime was. The best (but not in a good way) part of this is that ever since he went to prison for his incomprehensibly awful crime he has been complaining about his living conditions – he’s in the equivalent… Read more »

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Carol,

Which makes it clear you bought it for the right reason.

Jake

Got it in 5 minutes, a lot of lag for me. Hope Seth and KW were successful too

Steve

could have signed in and out 30 times by now

Steve

I don’t understand why anyone would pay 3500.00 on ebay when you can buy direct.

Kennygee

Steve, It is because a lot of people have a lot more money then they do brains.

Mammoth

Kennygee – We can say the same thing about the people who paid $2,715 for this coin today.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Mammoth & Kennygee,

As I’ve said before, how boring would it be if we all liked and disliked the same things?

Not to mention “each to their own” and “one person’s floor is another ones ceiling” and who knows what else.

Oh yeah…”different strokes for different folks” and “whatever floats your boat”.

‘Nuff said.

Mark D.

Stan?

Kennygee

Not really Kaiser, If you bought this Mustang coin today and sold it tomorrow, you would make about $500.00 or so on eBay. Just look at the coins that are sold already on eBay. I bought one today in 2 minutes but my problem is I can’t sell it. I am like the preverbal scorpion who stung the frog giving him a ride across the pond and who promised not to sting him. When asked by the frog why, now we are both going to die. He said, “I can’t help it. It is just in my nature. Also a… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Kennygee,

But would she want to marry any of us. It’s been my experience that women can be very quirky and most unpredictable when it comes to choice of mate…or mates, for that matter.

Jake

Haha I do find it hilarious people are bothered by what other people spend their own money on. You sound like Lonnie the complainer. I’ve never been closer to completing a complete yearly set. Woohoo!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Steve & Jake,

Congrats on your “winnings”. Regarding the price, it’s of course always smarter to buy from the Mint. Besides, it is an extremely handsome coin!

Jake

I sign in about 10 minutes prior to the release and stay signed in until checkout is complete

Kaiser Wilhelm

Jake,

Just like me, old buddy. Not leaving anything to chance. Good job!

Ken T

Over 50 new ads on Ebay with confirmed sales in the first 20 minutes after release.

Ken T

I should say “confirmed orders from the US Mint”

Kennygee

Ken T,
Let’s seen how many of those listings on Ebay become confirmed as sold items. I always look for what they sold for and never look at the asking price.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Kennygee,

Maybe it would be even more interesting to look at both to see exactly how crazy this whole enterprise turns out to be. Just sayin’.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Ken T,

Perhaps I’m just too slow and am not tracking this properly, but are you actually saying that as soon as people complete their purchase of one of these coins at the Mint website they post an ad for it – at a wildly inflated price, I can only assume – on ebay?

So the ebay sellers are shrewd and the ebay buyers are clueless, or have I missed something here?

Kennygee

eBay sellers are maybe not shrewd but may be entrepreneurs. The clueless may not be clueless, but just have more money then they have time then us coin freaks that have nothing better to do but sit in front of the computer at the crack of noon (Eastern time) and play US Mint roulette. Yes some people do not only list these coins at a wildly inflated prices, but they list them before they even get them confirmed. Many times they even sell them at PR 70 or MS 70 and they are not even going to receive them for 3… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Kennygee,

I didn’t come here 56 years ago at 18 and stay all this time if I didn’t love it here; it’s nowhere else for me, my friend. Although lots of people absolutely love it over there, I have no desire to go back to Austria…even though the Russians have long been gone now!

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Kennygee

I didn’t mean it to sound like I thought you didn’t love this country Kaiser. Most people who immigrated here love it more then the people who were born here. A lot of people born in this country take it for granted because they never have seen how bad some people live without the freedoms we all have. My dad came from Italy in 1912 and went through Elis Island. He loved this country and always said he was dam glad he didn’t miss the boat. Sorry for any misunderstanding you might have had.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Kennygee, Not to worry one bit, my friend; I took no offense whatsoever at anything you said. I was actually born to an Austrian mother and an American Army father, so I had conditional U.S. citizenship until I turned 18 at which time I acquired permanent citizenship status. Until then I could have chosen Austrian citizenship if I preferred but to be honest I never even once thought about it. Just about all of us War Babies dreamed of nothing but living in the great U.S.A. and no, it wasn’t because we thought the streets were actually paved with gold…although… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Also, Kennygee, while living in Europe for those first 18 years my family took us kids all over the Continent, and while I thought all the countries were incredibly interesting and beautiful and it was nice to meet all the different types of people and hear their various languages, as far as settling down and living somewhere for good not a one of them would do it for me. I am just too comfortable and happy with all the (for the most part, heh heh) friendly people I see here.

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Kennygee

Kaiser, I think you made the right decision. All those places are great to visit, but when it comes to returning home, there is no place like the USA. Just look at those people throwing their kids over the wall in Kabul, Afghanistan so they might have a chance to have some kind of a life if their parents didn’t make it. I thank God every day that my dad didn’t miss the boat because if he did, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Kennygee,

I think two facts apply here. One is that I’m glad I made the decision to live here and not stay there or go back to overseas. The other essential truth is that, just as you pointed out about the poor desperate people in Afghanistan, it’s important to know about all the people around the world who don’t have it anywhere as good as we do so that our population doesn’t become a nation of complainers having this misconception that they are somehow getting the short end of the planetary stick.

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Dan

currently backordered. gotta say i’m a sucker for the high-denomination coins even though the US Mint is a criminal enterprise

Kaiser Wilhelm

Dan,

I agree that the Mint is run like one of the infamous five New York Crime Families of yore, but that’s where we part ways, as I don’t buy any gold above 1/10 ounce from them. Wouldn’t want them looking to break my legs later when I couldn’t pay, ya know.

chuck

Thanks to those who did not order; had a chance today. Like the design and no rider might tell us something.

Rich

Maybe they should of had Paul Revere riding that horse.

Rob S

THAT woulda made so MUCH MORE sense!!
… Or the Pony Express!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rob S,

Yes! And the Pony Express pony bucked the darn rider off because he had made him go an extra leg of the route!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rich,

Or Buffalo Bill, but perhaps not the one from “Silence of the Lambs”.

Rich

Sir Kaiser,

Or General Custer. SOS – Please see my comment just posted on Mike Unser’s August 18th US Mint Sales article. Thanks.

Seth Riesling

Kaiser,
LOL! Now that gave me a much-needed belly laugh. Thanks.

I have always said, “never beat a dead horse” or was it “never eat a live horse” – Letters from a certified horse meat restaurant somewhere in France,
RSVP

NumisdudeTX (wearing a beret).

Kaiser Wilhelm

Seth,

Never been a horse meat eater myself; just doesn’t sit right with me. My stomach might start bucking and before you know it I’ll have to gallop to the john. I wouldn’t want to ride the porcelain bus all day.

Kaiser Wilhelm

chuck,

No Ryder.

chuck

No, I meant “rider” but I’m bad should have been “riders”. Ryder is likely just one of them.

Ken T

Pinehurst coins sent emails prior to release offering $2865

Kaiser Wilhelm

Ken T,

Provincial profiteering pirates, perpetually prowling ponderously.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Predatory pandering perpetrators.

Coinman

Absolutely amazing alliteration, aye, aye!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Coinman,

Why thank you sir, and how very kind of you to say that. That sort of unsolicited appreciation always gives me a major lift! I’m a happy camper now!

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GV GV

Where are all the flippers at???? Cheap-o flippers don’t want to take a risk on this coin and the falling price of gold? Ha ha, all mint has to do is raise the price 2x 3x on the garbage peace and morgans they sold and poof…market cleared of resellers, but the goal of the mint is to put it in the hands of the reseller so they bear all the risk not the mint. Wait till the tide turns and the “value” of those coins fall.

Larry T

It sounds to me like you are just frustrated that you were unable to secure some of those ‘garbage’ Peace and Morgan Dollars! Let me know when these coins sell for less than $85 on the secondary market!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry, I had been so intent on doing my best to explain the varieties of flipping to GV GV that it didn’t even occur to me that I had completely glossed over all his/her negative opinions about coins from the Mint in the first place. I’m really glad your comment brought that angle to my clear attention and I now understand what the real thrust of his/her original comments had been, which was to in denigrate the value of Mint coinage across the board. I’m afraid I now have the feeling that it might be difficult to find a real… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

GV GV, The flippers are present in inverse proportion to their visibility. The mere fact that you cannot detect them only implies they are going about their murky business as quietly and efficiently as they can, as the attribute of stealth is to their advantage. All of those ads on ebay for this coin at up to twice the price are the clearest evidence possible of some of the primarily individual flippers in action. The majority of the others go by the appellation of re-sellers or secondary marketers and operate as otherwise legitimate companies such as Apmex, JM Bullion, SD… Read more »

Coinman

Kaiser, I second that emotion………er, explanation. You hit the nail on the head. And again, that’s Mike “There’s Not Enough Coins” Mezack.
Huckster, hawker, barker and last but not least, LIAR!!!!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Coinman, You have a good eye for spotting comments. I can tell that’s the case by the way you have the knack of circling back around to take up a thread you had left many hours ago. I can appreciate that because I try my best to do the same myself, and while I think I have a pretty good track record I’m sure I still miss a lot of opportunities to tie up some loose – or new, for that matter – ends. “I second that emotion”; love that song! I arrived in the U.S. via Michigan in the… Read more »

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Coinman

Hear, hear! Kaiser, you are a keen observer of people and their behavior, and you have a knack for lasering in the most precise comments as needed and deserved, I might add. Keep up the good work my friend!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Coinman,

It goes without saying that you are so on target with your observations that I can easily offer the very same description of and gratitude for your own quite substantial contributions to this site. I of course am moved likewise to thank you kindly for your very gracious and exceedingly generous words of obviously sincere appreciation; it means a lot to me, believe me.

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Carl

Got one because I like it.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Carl,

Again, the best and only legitimate reason.

Steven A Dahlstrom

Me too!

Christopher Williams

The moment I observed the price for this coin I was out.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Christopher,

I don’t know what your single coin purchase price cutoff point is, but if it seems like a financial stretch then it’s probably a good idea to abstain. I, in fact, had the same reaction to the “unveiling” that you did.

Christopher Williams

Kaiser,

In 2015 I purchased the “Liberty High Relief Gold” for $1,490.00 and I was very happy with that purchase and addition to my collection, but I can’t justify to my self paying $2,715.00 for this one. I am looking forward to purchasing the “Silver 2-coin Designer Set” that the Mint has pushed back.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Christopher,

That 2015 purchase was a wise one; a beautiful coin that will surely increase in value over time. This one now is more than a bit over the top pricewise; good to let it go.

I’m all set to try for that two coin ASE reverse proof set myself also. I can already see those will be fabulous-looking coins!

Charles Visco

I’m new to numismatics and learning about it the hard way . Paying too much for various products . Seems like a big hustle and everyone is just trying to get the advantage over the next guy. There’s no standard or fair rules in the game. And now it looks to me that the US MINT has little integrity like everyone else.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Charles Visco,

While the U.S. Mint unfortunately does not make it all that easy – due to its rather temperamental website – to buy from it, one thing you can be sure of is that you are getting the lowest price for anything it sells; everywhere else those items will be two to who knows how many more times as expensive.

Steve J.

Kaiser Wilhelm, I am also new to this. The feeding frenzy during the ordering process at the Mint has discouraged me. I can’t get through the checkout process before everything becomes unavailable. I was lucky enough to get the type 2 gold 1/10 oz coin. It arrived in the mail recently. Nice coin, poor looking presentation box. Looking through the product schedule it seems like the type 1 coins got ‘1st class’ packaging & the type 2 coins got ‘coach’ packaging at 1st class prices. I know, all that is just fluff. You seem to be very knowledgeable, maybe you… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Steve J., Welcome to the wonderful world of coin collecting; it can be very fulfilling! Ordering from the Mint on new coin release days is different than ordering from the Mint’s catalog of standard items. The latter are easy to get; just put them in your basket and complete the address and payment process. The limited release coins require a lot more work. Make sure you have signed up for a Mint account with all that entails. On the day of sale at noon, hit your page refresh icon and the order button for the item will change from blue… Read more »

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Steve J.

Kaiser,

Wow! Thank you for the information, that really helps me out!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Charles Visco,

I can’t emphasize enough how interesting a coin collection can be. What I mean to say is that it is more than worth trying to overcome all the occasional obstacles to acquiring the pieces of it to get to where you have something that you can not just enjoy but be proud of, and in a good way.

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Mike Petraitis

I bought a brand new Ford Pinto in 1972 for $2200.00 that was one ugly car.People are complaining how ugly this coin is what about the people paying $40.000 for a brand new 2021 ugly car that will be worth $10.000 in seven years.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Mike Petraitis, Those are some really good points you made there. In addition, most people don’t buy cars anymore anyway, they buy so-called “SUVs” which are in reality an oversize car body on a truck chassis. This is a windfall for the automotive industry as the economies of scale are multiplied many fold by being able to use variations of matching truck bodies for practically every vehicle (SUV) on the road. Then there is the fact that dealers can charge so much more for an SUV than the equivalent size pickup truck even though they are selling what amounts to… Read more »

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Larry T

Kaiser,

Both you and Mike are so wrong about SUV’s, at least some SUV’s. I bought a Toyota 4Runner in 2008 for roughly $25,000. Great vehicle which only required yearly oil changes. I traded it in on a new 2019 Toyota 4Runner and they gave me $12,500 for it. Now that you have been properly edified, I’d also say that I wouldn’t buy either a coin or a vehicle as an investment. Well, if I had a spare 20M maybe the 1933 Double Eagle would be a consideration!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry, Perhaps unexpectedly so, I am quite happy to be proven in error in this particular case. You see, both my wife and I are in awe of Toyota vehicles of each, any and every type, model or kind. They are reasonably priced, they take to the road superbly, they are roomy and comfortable, they hardly ever need any repairs, they last in great shape seemingly forever, and when it’s finally time to trade one in for another you get the best value for it. What’s not to like about them! Oh by the way, don’t neglect to play the… Read more »

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Larry T

Kaiser, You and your wife have good taste in cars. I like buying the 4Runner because it is manufactured in Japan. Those Japanese are really detailed oriented ( or is that oriental?) I do love our Country, but it does grate me that you can’t purchase an American vehicle, of comparable value, that will stand up to the Japanese and European Union ones. About the only thing we manufacture well is jets ( both commercial and military) as well as other assorted military equipment. And if you don’t believe me, just ask the Taliban, we just gave them billions of… Read more »

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry, Why thank you, it’s very nice of you to say that about our choice of cars. We try to be informed consumers, and while we don’t buy a lot of big ticket items when we do we make sure we’ve done all the necessary research beforehand. Yes, the Japanese are definitely detail orientaled (heh heh…you started it), which is why when you buy something from there you just know it’s going to serve you well for a good long time. A recent list of the top ten cars sold in the U.S. that have the least need for repairs… Read more »

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Paul

These are the ugliest coins ever produced. The 2017-18 coins are laughable.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Paul,

Some people like Rembrandt, some prefer Picasso. After all, each always to their own and of course, beauty is solely in the eyes of the beholder.

Below, four different finishes on one of the most beautiful coins ever made.

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Larry T

Kaiser,

Do you know you can still buy the 2017 Gold version of this ‘beautiful’ design from the Mint? If the Mint can’t sell a precious metal coin after several years, wouldn’t one think that they would melt them for planchets. Damn, maybe I should be appointed as the Mints Director!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry, Yes, I am indeed aware of that, and if I didn’t have the financial responsibilities of the Social Insecurity years, I would pounce right on that. Besides, if what the Mint did some months ago is any indication, they now ignore the allegedly mandated melt orders and instead sell these off in auctions to dealers way past their official “sell by date”. These days the Mint is clearly running roughshod over practically every law, rule and directive they have ever had the pleasure to ignore. And no, you don’t want the job as it is clear you have be… Read more »

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Larry T

Kaiser,

I’ve gotten this far along life’s road without having to sell my soul and think I’ll follow your sage advice! And my friend, I’n not sure ‘law’ is very relevant in todays society. Have you noticed how judges are dictating what ‘laws’ can be considered legal and abiding? The latest was a judge validating the order from the CDC extending the moratorium on landlords evicting delinquent renters.The CDC!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry,

Not a taker on the Mint Director’s (Wrecker’s?) job? Good man!

I thought judges were supposed to uphold and enforce the law, not invent it. But then, who am I but an old fogey, which is actually quite ironic because while I’m considered politically irrelevant as an average citizen, if I on the other hand were a seventy-four-year-old elected politician I would imagine I’d just now be hitting my stride!

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Daniel

Would these be in “back order” status because they know Authorised Purchasers are going to reject all those which they know won’t grade highly, and will therefore be returning them?

Kaiser Wilhelm

Daniel,

That is quite likely one of the reasons, as we well know how much more the re-sellers can make on a 70 as opposed to any lesser grade, even a 69 for that matter.

Another reason might be that not everyone’s credit card will necessarily pass muster, so some of the sales may be cancelled by the Mint for that.

Rooster

Perspective: I paid more for this coin than I did for the 20th anniversary gold eagle 3 coin set.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rooster,

And I suppose in the big picture it matters not whether this is due to the dollar losing strength or the value of gold going up or both. But you know, what matters is you got what you wanted, and after all, isn’t that what coin collecting is all about?

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Rooster

Yes indeed. Different strokes for different folks. Like whisk(e)y: Drink it how you like it.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rooster,

For us teetotalers, it’s a matter of choosing Bubly or LaCroix; it does matter.

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Carl

I liked this coin so much that I ordered another one today after the limit was removed but read on so you’ll know that I’m not totally insane or maybe just nuts. I canceled the order of yesterday so I’ll be getting the coin later and IF the price is reduced AND more become available I’ll do the same again.

Rooster

Carl: The gold American Liberty coin? Thought it was sold out.

Phil

Carl,

I’m confused, forgive me. Was this maneuvering in the hopes of x-ming with getting a lower price?

Was on the fence, but hopped in corral & grabbed 1 b4 went backorder yesterday. I do see no longer available now.

r,
always

Kaiser Wilhelm

Phil,

As best as I can figure out, that is exactly what Carl is doing. I’ll tell you, I don’t think I would have the nerves to chance that with the possibility of coming away with nothing in the end.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Carl,

Is there any chance you could inadvertently get caught between orders and lose your chance to get one of these altogether? Just curious.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Carl,

I wasn’t previously aware that our behavior as coin collectors is the determining factor regarding indication of our sanity and/or lack thereof, so it’s good to know that.

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Carl

Rooster,
Yes they were available for a short time again today I signed in and at noon the limit was removed so I ordered another one and then canceled the order of yesterday. The difference in order numbers is 21,413 for whatever that is worth. I doubt many will be available in the future unless orders are canceled or coins are returned.

Rooster

Carl, Nice you snagged one then. Must have been a narrow window but you scored.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Carl,

This could be an event at the next Numismatic Olympics. And you could even come away with a GOLD MEDAL! If you win twice you might be graced with the “Designer Set.” That is, of course, as long as the Russian Numismatic Team doesn’t beat you to it.

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New Yorker

When I first saw this design a couple of months back, it was too unexpected and took me aback, and I did not like it. Then I looked at it again recently, and decided that my first knee-jerk reaction was actually wrong, that the design is actually great and has a chance to become a future classic. I like the way the horse is rendered, the way its back is arched to follow the curve of the coin, and the modernist geometric sun that completes the composition on the obverse. The design is certainly innovative, which cannot be said about… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

New Yorker,

I really enjoyed reading your description of this unexpectedly special coin with its rather innovative design. I would have liked to have purchased this myself but one can’t go about buying everything, especially big ticket items like this. Nevertheless, it’s good to hear that people are enjoying it since I do consider it to be a sort of a miniature work of art, one quite unique and most definitely attention getting at that.

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Carl

I have a confirmation email for the new order and an email that the original order was canceled. Both pending charges are on the credit card but the one of August 19 will disappear in a few days. On the order history the original order is canceled and I expect to receive the coin when orders are filled in sequence. If I somehow don’t get one in the process, so be it, 2021 Buffalo are an option or ms70 Buffalo for less.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Carl,

There doesn’t seem to be any indication and/or evidence that you won’t get your order filled. It appears you’ve covered all the bases and the evidence is provided by the fact that you have received the relevant notifications. Enjoy your coin!

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Mmk

Hi Kaiser
The 2021 uncirculated set is scheduled to go on sale on sep 28.
The mint has limited to enrollment to 20 , down from 99 in the past .
What to do surmise the Reason is
Thanks

Kaiser Wilhelm

Mmk, I would surmise that as with the other products that have had their release dates postponed, their Household Order Limits lowered or their enrollment allowances cut, this has to do with a situation at the Mint of it being required to make too many products with there simply not being enough output possible to complete them all in the time originally allotted due to having too few people to the do all the work any faster. Bear in mind the three “masters” the Mint has to serve simultaneously: the Federal Reserve (circulating clad coinage), the bullion dealers (bullion silver,… Read more »

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Mmk

Thanks Kaiser for your ,as always astute comments . Your explanation is very logical , I’m wondering if the mint is planning a very low mintage – lower than than last years mintage of about 213,000 for the 2020 uncirculated set and is anticipating huge demand for this product.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Mmk, You’re entirely welcome; it was indeed my pleasure. You are likely right on the money (pun once again intended) with that surmise. This has been a very interesting year both as far as the operations of the Mint are concerned and also in regard to the avowed coin preferences and actual buying habits of the numismatic community. Of course a lot of the purchasing “action”, so to speak, has in fact been driven by the usual assortment of major dealers, a coterie of big re-sellers and the legions of plain old flippers, but that is to be expected with… Read more »

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Kennygee

Mmk We are talking about clad coins here. The mint is reducing the enrollment limit to 20 just to work the coin collectors up to think these coins will be worth something some day. I buy 5 sets of them every year on subscription just to have some uncirculated version of the coins we use every day to give the grand kids. I paid $25.25 each for the 5 sets I bought last year (2020). There were 20 coins worth $5.81 face value. We know it cost the mint only 17.6 cents to make a quarter so this example is… Read more »

Mmk

Kennygee,
I appreciate your insights,seems like the mint is playing a game with collector’s.let’s wait and see
What the mintage is on this years set .

Kennygee

Mmk,
The limit is now as many coins as you want. No limit. Clad is clad and precious metal is precious metal. I rest my case..

Kaiser Wilhelm

Kennygee, The Mint doesn’t as such make any “profit” on anything it sells to anyone. It would be profit if the Mint got to keep a single cent of what it takes in over what it costs to produce the products it sells, but it doesn’t. Every cent above expenses that the Mint makes in any given year goes directly to the General Fund of the Treasury Department, so except perhaps making the Director of the Mint look good in the eyes of the Secretary of the Treasury there is no gain whatsoever to the Mint of accumulating “profits.” The… Read more »

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Larry T

Kennygee, I think the clad coins are for those that are financially challenged. If a coin from the mint doesn’t contain some kind of precious element, I’m just not interested. I suppose they would be ok as a gift, but the young ones are much more interested if other things these days. As far as the Liberty gold coin, for the money, I’d much prefer the Buffalo gold coin! But, I’m a true believer in ‘to each his own.’ And just think, the new theory about how gold is formed is in a nova explosion of a neutron star. There… Read more »

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry T, You’ve outdone yourself this time; there are some really excellent points in your comment, as follows… 1) Clad coins have no intrinsic value; they are entirely dependent on their numismatic importance or relevance. 2) Kids don’t look at coins as things to collect for their own sake. Money is only good for what you can buy with it. 3) Here’s the best one, the kilonova explosion of two colliding neutron stars some 130 million light years away. While the visible light, x-ray, gamma and gravitational rays emanating from it reached us in 2017, the gold, platinum and lead… Read more »

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Larry T

We must’ve been bombarded with some precious metal elements- rich asteroids in the past. And a lot of them! Obviously, most of these heavy elements are now located at our core. It’s estimated there is enough gold alone in our core to cover the entire earth with a layer 1 meter high.It’s only relatively rare because we can’t get to it!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry, What I find most interesting and amazing is that for a star to create any element heavier than iron, such as the precious metals for example, the star has to explode in a kilo- or supernova. Birthing precious metals in effect requires the death of the star; there’s something very cosmically poetic about that. As for the amount of gold on earth, that shows the immense scale of our planet when one considers that only one in a billion particles from space deposited on the earth are of the precious metal variety. And yes, their rarity is truly a… Read more »

Kennygee

Larry T, I love the buffalo coins also. I have a number of them including a couple 2013 reverse proofs. There is no limit on them. These high relief coins are really nice and the production is capped at 12,500. The proof buffalos came out in May and you can still buy as many as you can afford. You see how fast the Liberty coin sold out and if a person wanted to make a quick profit on them, they could make $500.00 right away. But that defeats the purpose of coin collecting and the thrill of 12:00 noon on… Read more »

Larry T

Kennygee, You are so correct about the high relief coins! They are beautiful to behold. I see a lot of the Liberty coins ‘listed’ on eBay for $3000 plus, but I wonder how many are ‘sold’ for $3000 plus? With the exaggerated premium one has to pay the Mint for these gold coins, it has drastically limited my purchases (of gold coins) from them. Beside, I have many specimens in my safe when I need a ‘gold fix’, including those 2013 Buffalo gold Reverse Proofs! We sure didn’t pay almost $1000 over spot for them either! Now be honest, when… Read more »

Kennygee

They love any gold. There dad has got them panning in the creek on their property. He even salted it with some fake gold. I was going to but some actual gold dirt with 1 ounce of gold dust in it for $2100.00. Then I said if they lose some of it, that would be such a waste. So I am giving the 1/10 oz. gold eagles instead. As for the $1000.00 over spot. If you bought a gold proof Buffalo, you paid $2690.00 for a normal relief coin with no limit to the mintage. If I bought a High… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Kennygee,

Well there, you’re my senior after all; I just turned 74 in May and now I feel like a spring chicken! Good for you, with that wonderfully lively attitude you so regularly convey. I’m sure you won’t be turning that coin collection over to the young ones for a really long time!

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry,

I would venture to say I might hear “What am I supposed to do with this shiny little thing, Opa?”, so I am not even willing to chance it. They get exactly what is on their “official” Santa Claus wish list, and if per chance I were to find a 2019-S Enhanced Reverse Proof ASE on one of their lists, I would mention that they have a future in coin collecting and buy them an Amazon present forthwith. And so it goes.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Kennygee, Those two 2013 Gold Buffalo Reverse Proofs must be incredibly striking (yes, pun intended). Although why they or any of their live models that roam America’s plains aren’t known as the bison they in fact are baffles me. Maybe it’s all because that old Western showman didn’t want to be called Bison Bill. It’s good to hear someone have such a clear-eyed view of and dedication to coin collecting. When I got into it I never thought about selling what I was collecting, and if unfortunate circumstances hadn’t intervened I would never have sold my first two collections. Admittedly… Read more »

Mike Petraitis

Has anybody recived there coin yet from the mint? I ordered one and usually after the order is confirmed they put a pending charge on my credit card this time nothing. All it says on my order from the mint it is being processed they are getting slower and slower.

Kennygee

Mike, Mine is still pending but they just sent my 4 coin gold set. I can’t wait to see it.

Rooster

Same status here.

James P

I got my shipping notice yesterday.

Rooster

Status just changed to shipped. Waiting to be picked up.

Kennygee

Mike, Mine shipped today. Should get it Saturday or Monday.

Scarecrow

Oh man, are they hand striking this coin? Bought the same day as all of you but still shows “Processing”. It is almost the weekend now, so don’t expect any changes until next week. Sighhhh.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Scarecrow,

“Processing” is still much better than nothing at all happening, and with some of the peculiarities exhibited of late by the Mint I would take that as at least indicative of being headed in the right direction. Anyway, hope you get it soon!

Mike Petraitis

Same thing here I purchased the coin the minute it went on sale and it is still being processed.Other times I purchase items and have the coins three days later this time slower then a turtle crossing the street.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Mike,

The Mint has its work force on mandatory six days a week overtime to punch out billions of absolutely useless cents at the Federal Reserve’s behest just as fast as they possibly can. I suppose you can’t really blame the Mint just for keeping their “who is it best to please” priorities in sight.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

It might help to keep in mind in which order of priority the U.S. Mint has to manufacture and distribute its various products, as follows:

#1: Federal Reserve – Circulating Coinage

#2: Authorized Bullion Purchasers – Bullion Coinage

#3: Authorized Bulk Purchasers – Advance Release Numismatic Coinage

#4: General Buying Public – Numismatic Coinage

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Rooster

Update: The gold horse showed up today.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Rooster,

Congrats and good for you! And this gold horse doesn’t appear to be a Trojan one.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Nor does it appear to be a gift horse, so feel free to look it in the mouth.

Rooster

May not even look at it. Lol

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rooster,

Aha. “If sent in unopened.” I don’t think I could stand it…would feel like I’m leaving my birthday present for next year. Yikes.

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Rooster

You get used to it. I enjoy the reaction of the kids or grands when they open their gifts just as received from the mint.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rooster,

Now that you put it that way, I can see how that would be a lot of fun, and it certainly is unique. And absolutely, seeing the happy expressions on their faces must be beyond priceless!

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Kennygee

Rooster
I opened mine. It is one beautiful piece of art.

Rooster

Good to hear. They are works of art indeed. May have to open mine as well. Hopefully all receive good quality coins. Some issues with the 2015 American liberty coins. Would you grade yours a 70?

Kennygee

Rooster
I put mine under 5 times magnification and it should grade PR 70. I don’t know if I want to send it in yet. If I do, it will be later in the year when the Morgan and Peace dollars get here. I would like to get a MS 70 set of 6, if I am lucky enough to get any 70’s.

Rooster

Kennygee: That is great if you did 5X. I am waiting at this point but probably will not send my coin in. The ones I have sent in years ago came back how I expected. If I think a coin would grade 69 I will not send in. Not worth the money. Every coin that I thought would grade 70 came back that way. Those Morgans and Peace though. Can’t wait for those to get sent out.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rooster & Kennygee,

The never-ending, heart-pounding pursuit of sheer and total magnified “MS 70” perfection. Indeed a brilliantly spectacular image to behold.

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Scarecrow

Can back order a couple of minutes ago.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Scarecrow,

By the time I saw your comment – 1:46 A.M. EST 9/23 – this was already back to “Remind Me”. Besides, unless Publisher’s Clearing House comes through for me this coin is way out of my league.

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Rick

How long does it take to ship these coins? My has been in the processing stage for over two weeks.

Scarecrow

Even though I completed the order at 11:02 Central the day it was offered, it only changed to “shipping” 2 days ago. The post office is still waiting to receive it

Rick

Thanks Scarecrow. I guess I’m not the only one waiting.

Scarecrow

Open your Order Summary and look under the “Shipping To” section. Directly underneath it will show Method. If it shows “Bestway USPS-FC or UPS-GND” then it is still pending, but if it shows either USPS-FC or UPS-GND then in my experience, shipping is just a couple of days away since they have decided a shipping vendor.

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Rick

It shows: USPS First Class Mail

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rick,

Now this is where we go back to the USPS’s share of the blame as they sometimes take several days to pick up the package from the Mint’s Distribution Center.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Scarecrow,

At first I thought the Post Office alone was responsible for all of these long delays, but I see now that the Mint is doing its own part to delay the process.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Rick,

That is truly excessive. I ordinarily give the Mint a week before I call to find out what the holdup is. In this sort of situation it sometimes helps to be pro-active.

Rick

Thanks Kaiser, I the past my orders usually got shipped in a couple days. I called my bank to make sure they approved the charge. Contacted the Mint a couple times but they were no help. I guess I just keep my fingers crossed and hope it comes through.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rick, You’re entirely welcome. By the way, in all fairness to the Mint’s Customer Service Representatives as far as I know they are working remotely, and even if they no longer are it’s not unusual for them to not have access to all that much more order status information than we ourselves do. I know how frustrating it can be to not be able to get the kind of response from them one is looking and/or hoping for, but in this situation it might just be a case of trying to squeeze blood from a stone. What should, however, happen… Read more »

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Rick

Thanks Kaiser,I appreciate the words of encouragement.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rick,

You’re entirely welcome, and it is truly my pleasure.

Rick

Well Kaiser, I finally got the email that my coin has been shipped. It only took 3 weeks.

Rooster

Currently open to back order.

Rooster

Status is back to “Remind Me”.

Rick

That was quick.

Rooster

Available again.

Rooster

Back to “Remind Me”.

Rooster

It is again available. Status is back order. For anyone who may need this. Giddy up!