Saint-Gaudens’ Estate 1907 UHR Double Eagle at ANA 2025 Show in OKC

This will be only the third public appearance of this historic numismatic rarity since it sold a decade ago for $2,115,000

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The 1907 Ultra High Relief Double Eagle, designed by acclaimed sculptor Augustus Saint-Gaudens and later presented to his widow on behalf of President Theodore Roosevelt, will be displayed at the American Numismatic Association 2025 Oklahoma City World’s Fair of Money® (www.WorldsFairofMoney.com).

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The exhibit of the Tyrant Collection’s 1907 Ultra High Relief Double Eagle from the Saint-Gaudens estate will be one of the major highlights at the ANA 2025 Oklahoma City World’s Fair of Money®. It is graded PCGS PR68. (Photo credit: Professional Coin Grading Service.)

On loan courtesy of California collector Dan O’Dowd, owner of the legendary Tyrant Collection (www.TheTyrantCollection.com), this historic, famous coin is graded PCGS Proof 68 and will be a highlight in the ANA’s Museum Showcase exhibits at the convention, August 19-23.

Described by many experts as America’s most beautiful coin design, O’Dowd acquired the famous $20 denomination gold piece for $2,115,000 in 2015. It is now insured for $5 million, and this will be only the third time it has been publicly displayed in a decade.

"I am excited about this coin," stated O’Dowd. "It is not only the most beautiful coin America has ever produced, but it also rivals anything created by any other country. Saint-Gaudens admired ancient Greek style and wanted to create something America would be proud of after President Roosevelt asked him to help redesign early 20th-century U.S. coinage," explained O’Dowd.

The coin has inverted edge lettering of the motto E PLURIBUS UNUM and the designer’s initials, ASG.

Saint-Gaudens died in 1907, and his estate received this Ultra High Relief in 1908.

"This is a great numismatic rarity," stated Ira Goldberg, CEO of Goldberg Coins and Collectibles, Inc. in Los Angeles, California.

Goldberg is among those who have assisted O’Dowd in building the Tyrant Collection of U.S., world, and ancient coins, which is often described as the world’s most valuable rare coin collection in private hands.

"The United States Mint produced less than two dozen 1907 Ultra High Relief Double Eagle patterns. It required multiple strikes in the coining press to bring up the design, and the coins could not be stacked on top of each other because the relief was so high. The relief was subsequently reduced so the coins could be mass-produced for circulation," explained Goldberg.

This example of the 1907 Ultra High Relief was retained by Saint-Gaudens’ widow, Augusta, and then inherited by their son, Homer. It was loaned by the family to the American Numismatic Society in New York for decades until 1950, then privately sold in the 1970s. O’Dowd purchased the coin at the Heritage Auctions Florida United Numismatists auction in January 2015.

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The coin has rarely been seen in public since an exhibition in 1914. After adding it to the Tyrant Collection in early 2015, O’Dowd displayed it only twice until now: at the 2021 ANA Chicago World’s Fair of Money and the February 2022 Long Beach Expo.

For additional information about the Tyrant Collection, visit www.TheTyrantCollection.com.

Additional information about the ANA 2025 Oklahoma City World’s Fair of Money convention is available at www.WorldsFairofMoney.com.

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Antonio

The coin of coins. Beautiful!

DaveSWFL

Thank God for a new article.
Please space them better – 3 one day and none for 4 days ….. difficult!

REB

As a clue, I could have chosen Tony Bennett’s “I Left My Heart in San Francisco” or “San Francisco” by the Village People. Instead, I chose the #4 classic from 1967, “San Francisco (Be Sure to Wear Flowers in Your Hair)” by Scott McKenzie. Dave is the winner. He knows the mind of a late boomer. Now, about the coin – it’s the 1854-S Gold Dollar (PCGS MS-63). It was the lowest denomination coin minted by the San Francisco Mint in its first year. The mintage was 14,632. I got it from a Nevada dealer on eBay who specializes in… Read more »

East Coast Guru

My vote is any one of the three that start with 17_ _. Recently, a friend of mine gave me a 1797 large cent his mother had. I would grade it “about good – good”. However to hold in your hands a coin from the beginning of our country and wonder who else touched this penny over the years. Remarkable. Best coin collecting experience I have had in a long time.

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REB

Very, very cool, East Coast. LOVE IT! I am envious.

East Coast Guru

REB, since it was AG/G and it wasn’t encapsulated, I could touch it and feel history. Hold it in my bare hand, Flip it, spin it, study it knowing I can’t make this coin any worse than it is. I heard from a dealer there is a worse condition coin registry. Not that I want to do that, but it would be interesting to see that collection.

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East Coast,

Sounds like that coin has some serious Mojo. I have a couple of coins that give off some kind of mystical energy like that. An unidentified numismatic sensation.

Cheers

DaveSWFL

Buried somewhere in my coinage treasures is a 1700s large cent which I got, of all places, from a Coinstar reject slot many years ago. Grocery coin machines have replaced lottery tickets for me and have paid off far better! I’m just amazed at the number of coins people leave behind in those machines. Last week I got a $2.31 reward for sticking my hand in that little slot. WARNING – grab a Clorox wipe from the cart cleaning area or ask for one at the service desk on your way out – those slots contain a lot of grime… Read more »

John Q. Coinage

Dave, I once found one OVERFLOWING, I filled every pocket of my jeans amd grabbed a bag. Silver dollars, Canadian silver, a 3c piece, tons of stuff. My wife was blown away. almost as good as the time I plucked an unchecked bar code lottery scratcher from the top of a can and check $400…..
I ve found a lot of stuff at the Coinstar better than a slot machine somex

CaliSkier

East Coast Guru, a great share! What a good friend you have indeed! E1, I guess you’ve “coined” a new phenomena known as a “UNS” akin to “UFO”’and now “UAP” For those seeking clarification, E1’s acronym stands for Unidentified Numismatic Sensation(INS) and my references of course, are “the terms UFO (Unidentified Flying Object) and UAP (Unidentified Aerial or Anomalous Phenomena), which are often used interchangeably, but UAP has gained prominence in recent years, especially within government and scientific contexts.”(AI)

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CaliSkier

Reb, I know you wanted to know, which 1906 D coin, however I say get that 1909 O Indian Head Half Eagle, which I know price wise for higher grades may be daunting, based on what you’ve recently spent and all the upcoming modern proofs you’re adding to your coffers. Those 1906 D’s don’t appear to come to market too often and neither does that 1909 O. To answer your question, I say 1906 D Half dollar, so that you might possibly see the image better on the larger coin? For what it’s worth… PS BTW, on the PCGS site,… Read more »

REB

Thanks for the input. I’ve pretty much eliminated the 1906-D dime. The half dollar would have a bigger image, but the quarter is more likely to stay around for a “Last Coin” mate from Denver. I wish I could buy the three as a set. Next time I’m in Denver, I might explore the possibility. Still pondering … Yes, the 1909-O Half Eagle will be pricey. But, so will the 1870-CC Half Eagle and the early Philadelphia coins. I suspect I’ll land in the AU58/MS63 range for the 1909 coin. It’s kind of a weird “souvenir” coin. It was the… Read more »

DaveSWFL

Silver lifting off this morning??

CaliSkier

Shhh… Good day everyone! A heads up and tip of the week here on Coin News, that you may be interested in? The upcoming 2025 (P) Morgan and Peace Dollar Uncirculated’s have had their Mintage’s lowered, just before release. See East Coast Guru, the Mint can change mintages and it is never too late, regarding my devils advocate, hypothetical, “poking a sleeping bear” comment on toying with the 2025 ASE Navy and Marine Corps privy mintages in 3 months?(85K & 75K???) Anyhow, the mintage of those Morgan and Peace Dollar Uncirculated’s have been lowered from 275,000 to 150,000. Thanks SSS… Read more »

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REB

That’s the correct amount to manufacture, at least this year, based on sales of the 2024’s.

Yep. Last year’s sales were slightly over 164,000 for the Morgan and 156,000 for the Peace. So, the mintage sounds about right.

I do have a question about HHL and subscriptions. If your subscription number was 25, would it be cut to the HHL level, or would you receive the full order?

CaliSkier

REB, I’m pretty sure it would be cut to whatever HHL has been currently implemented or put in place. I seem to recall that came about back in 2021 when the original HHL on the Morgan and Peace dollars was 25 and moved to 10, then 3 after the fiasco with the Morgan CC and O Privy coins, affecting everyone’s HHL’s which were automatically lowered.(pre sale) I believe that was then carried over to the subscription programs, where initially on some other products with higher HHL’s, they were also cut after an initial HHL was set higher, before being lowered.… Read more »

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John Q. Coinage

Better mintage #. But, it’s cause they did not sell the loads they minted. Fiascos will continue regardless. FHG etc. a mere crust of bread for us,lemmings….

East Coast Guru

Cali, regarding mintages, agree the mint can change them. And should. New year, new mintage. But for this years armed forces privy, why? It sold out in less than a day. Purchasers will want the other two to match the army privy. Lowering the mintage will deprive them of well over $2mm in almost guaranteed sales. I still vote to keep the mintage the same for these.
Thanks for the heads up on Morgan peace dollar new mintages.

REB

Completely agree.

Rich

Is the ABPP’s 10% cut out of the “limited” 150,000 mintage/product limit, and is there a separate product item number for the Bulk 40 sales? For reference, the Bulk-40 coins sales figures for the 2024-P Morgan = 316 and Peace = 309, and the 2023-P Morgan = 330 and Peace = 338.

CaliSkier

Rich, I use deductive reasoning as best I can with this situation. Yes there is a separate item number for the bulk purchase 40 coin trays. They appear to have been allotted 10% or slightly less maybe, depending on whether or not the full 150K were struck? I think we’ll see an adjustment to the 150K prior to launch day, and sales opening. The bulk ABPP, Subscriptions and inventory remaining, seem to give us some of the fluctuations we’ve observed IMO. The number seems fluid and I believe there are U.S Mint accounting methods we are unaware of and unable… Read more »

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Rick

Ah yes, the 1854-S Gold Dollar. Love it REB, beautiful coin! It’s got some of that great copper-orange tint that shouts out originality. The coin looks to have been mildly circulated and well preserved. It does not look overly processed either (mildly dipped in acetone), if even dipped at all. Keep an eye on the small spot up front, as they can grow over time, even in the holder. Sharks2th can attest to that, and restoration can mitigate/remove them in many instances, fyi. Also, your coin had been holdered (level) nicely, unlike others that we’ve seen. You’re on a roll… Read more »

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John Q. Coinage

Nice, all Barber halves in Strong BU gem are scarce, even nice unmolested AU are very tough to find. Pricey slabbed….

REB

Rick:

Thanks for the 1854-S take. My eye will be riveted on that spot. Are the grading companies the only ones who do restoration? Is there an association of coin restorers with a membership list of reputable ones from around the country?

Two votes for the 1906 half dollar (plus Mr. Akers’ recommendation). I think I’m developing a lean.

REB

Alright gang, which do you consider the best?

The MS-62:comment image

The AU-58:comment image

The MS-64:comment image

REB

Board Posters:

I’m “awaiting approval” on three pictures. Let’s try one at a time. Which do you like the most?

#1 – The MS-62

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REB

#2 – The MS-62

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REB

The MS-64:

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REB

All three coins are currently on eBay if you’d like to peruse the listing and the reverse of the coins.

P.S. – Sorry, the first coin is an AU-58 and not an MS-62.

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John Q. Coinage

Nice, my Barber set is done. Obviously a huge upgrade but……. It’s endless so thus I don’t start unless I find a “deal”….
now why does AI insist on fine over find….huh. AI is not all it’s cut out to be I called the plumber today and AI voice answered WTF. $300 to clear a drain and they can’t pay a receptionist! Corporate profiteering via AI

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REB,

I’m kinda partial to the Proof Barber Halves in Cameo. They are scarce and have much better eye appeal.

Below, not my coin, but currently available on eBay.

I was collecting these decades ago, but they are long gone now.

JQC, How do you feel about the proofs?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/256934644937

Cheers

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John Q. Coinage

I love the proofs, always a lot of $, but back I he day not crazy like now. That 67 is a bomb couldn’t find on eBay but a au58 proof is about $500 but fuguly.
my guess is $10,000 asked

REB

Mighty pretty, E1. I can’t find a Denver proof in the PGCS price guide. Is this a Philadelphia exclusive?

E 1

REB,

The proofs were exclusively Philadelphia minted. The business strikes were P, S, and O (1892-1915).

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E 1

I must need new reading glasses or the font is too small in the Red Book. Some of the “D”s look like “O”s.

1906-D
1907-D
1908-D
1911-D
1912-D
1913-D
1915-D

Makes a nice short set.

Sorry about that guys. Fire me if you must.

Later

E 1

Barber Half Dollars
(Denver Mint)

1906-D           4,028,000       $925 in MS-63
1907-D           3,856,000       $975 in MS-63
1908-D           3,280,000       $925 in MS-63
1911-D           695,080          $925 in MS-63
1912-D           2,300,800       $925 in MS-63
1913-D           534,000          $1,100 in MS-63
1915-D           1,170,400       $925 in MS-63

Source:
The Guide Book of United States Coins 2026, 79th Edition, R.S. Yeoman. Whitman Publishing, Florance AL, USA. Library of Congress Catalog Card Number 47-22284 (Barber 1892-1915) Pg. 192 

Rick

REB,
I’m not aware of a coin restoration association, but I haven’t looked.
Both PG & NGC will perform a restoration/conservation only after evaluating the coin. Your coin looks like it could have a type of verdigris, having green color present. They can remove/stabilize verdigris, but sometimes the overall color of the coin is altered. A targeted spot removal could be the answer here? I have seen & read about good results. It might be worth it to have it evaluated.
Google will be your friend…
https://www.pcgs.com/restoration

Rick

I have had both TPG’s restore coins for me, but both were mild restorations in removing grime, haze, & mild water spots on expensive Ag coins. In fact, I have a coin over at NGC as we speak(another 1970-D 50C) for the same symptoms as the others. E1 & Shark have more experience than I with this. Perhaps they have an opinion. If you decide to send to NGC – you’ll need to cross it…
https://www.ngccoin.com/about/help-center-faqs/ngc-conservation/about-ngc-conservation/

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E 1

Rick, When dealing with a high value coin, it is usually best to let the experts handle it. NCS has been absorbed by NGC. So, you can send a slabbed coin to NGC for conservation with special instructions and have it re-slabbed or recertified. They will tell you if there is an upgrade/down grade potential before they proceed. For safety and convenience reasons, it is best to let the pros handle it. Also, sometimes when tarnish is removed, scratches, dings, and other aesthetic anomalies can be revealed, thus down grading the coin. However, if an aesthetically wonderful coin is hidden… Read more »

sharks2th

I’d stick with the NGC conservation service if you have any coins touched up. I prefer to keep mine original, but if there was some negative environmental exposure the NGC service would be the first choice to get a coin evaluated for conservation. I try to get my new purchases of old silver into an intercept bag or double slab holder box. These boxes have an intercept holder for the slab which then goes into an intercept box which holds 10 boxed slabs. These will at least neutralize any exposure the coins have had since being slabbed. This goes for… Read more »

Rick

Thanks Shark

John Q. Coinage

I had a few carbon spots removed from early BU Lincoln cents. Nothing worse than carbon spots on a nice red penny…. NGC conversation and slab noting such! Oh well.
rick u got rolls of those 70-Ds?

Rick

LOL I wish JQ, I’ll sell a couple of them sooner or later(4 total).

E1, I saw that (NCS to NGC) when I sent it in the other day. Thanks for the conservation refresher. I’ve only messed with dipping tarnished ASE’s, rounds & bars(bullion), and I’ve dipped some old Gold $10 Pesos in acetone to remove PVC – great results.
The coin in the middle looks worse in hand than in the pic ⇓, it’s dingy w/low luster, so off she went. It’s getting a bath & Re-Grade. An MS67★ would be nice, but not expected…

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E 1

Rick, I’m still toiling over the 1965 Kennedy Business Strike. I am bound and determined to get a good one. The one on the left will get dipped soon and looks 66ish. The one on the right did not display any copper on the edge. I thought it was a 90% silver planchet. It weighed 11.4 gms. The 90% planchet coins weigh 12.5 gms. Also, the one on the right looked too good to be true. Turns out it was an SMS. The search continues…. Looks like you have the 70-D market cornered. Keep us posted on the “In Process”… Read more »

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John Q. Coinage

Tech Billionaire, gheesh I’m jealou$ but got to his collection you can be a browse drinker (this is an AI SPELL CORRECT, WTF does it mean) browse all you want. Dreamers…. Too bad the 2009:reissue is not so nice or uber relief…

CaliSkier

First of all, kudos to Dan O’Dowd, owner of the “Tyrant Collection”, for allowing this rare and gorgeous piece of numismatic history he owns, to be placed on exhibit at the “American Numismatic Association 2025 Oklahoma City World’s Fair of Money®”, to be held Aug 19-23 in Oklahoma City, OK. Secondly, thank you Coin News for this article and the links! Are you kidding me, OMG!!! All I can muster, is you HAVE to take a look at the page in the link from the above article, titled “Eagles of the Tyrant’ Collection” and it’s a MUST to also look… Read more »

REB

I got the Gold Coins of the Carson City Mint book today. Looks like more fun reading ahead.

Rick

You’ve been busy, REB. 1906-D 50C: 1) The AU58 has the best, clearest photos and great eye appeal & great strike. However, the pic is so good that the hairlines throughout Liberty suggest a prior light cleaning, as many of these had been cleaned(though straight graded). Tough call for me – not an expert. 2) MS62: Everything looks off with this one. Bad photos, bad eye appeal, and the grade looks off? The reverse is just bad. 3) MS64: Nice looking coin, although a weaker looking strike than the 58, and previously dipped(many are)imo. The reverse has some black spotting… Read more »

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REB

Thanks for the input, Rick. I’m almost in complete agreement. I liked the 58 best, but your “hang tight” advice is sound.

Rick

I meant to add to my Barber post above:
1) Copy/paste posting the actual link to those photos is the easiest, and the best way to get hi-res pics posted, as you did✓. Remember though – one link per post!
2) There’s a reason that those 3 Barbers above did not sticker. Most straight graded classic coins in AU/MS are subbed for stickering.
3) The green sticker is the confirmation of a solid grade, with solid luster, eye appeal, and no problems from an expert, John Albanese – love it or hate it(green stickers)…

John Q. Coinage

I gotta get more into the slabbing mode. CAC much bette prices Nathan the 2 established slabbers……
Ive looked for AU to,upgrade but the Barber AUs are real scare not slabbed and not sanitized for your protection. Way back a lot of wizzed Barbers were offered as “Proof”

DaveSWFL

I have absolutely zero experience with grading, but my eyes were easily drawn to the 58 also.

REB

My attention is turning to the Stack’s auction. Two choices I’m considering.

Choice 1 – 1795 Draped Bust Small Eagle (AU-53)

https://images3-cdn.auctionmobility.com/is3/auctionmobility-static-cluster3/gfC8-1-11DHZ/3-1JHV71/158f83f7-eab6-41b7-84a2-0ecda113409d?width=720&height=720&resizeinbox=true&backgroundcolor=eeeeee

REB
REB

My observations:

1) On the 53 obverse (PGCS graded), the draped lady’s face is beaten to hell, with chunks gouged out. The date and letters on both sides are pretty uniformly sharp.

2) On the 61 (NGC graded), there is a scratch on the reverse but the fields and center elements are sharper. However, the rim shows “softness” at 7 o’clock on the obverse and 10 to 11 on the reverse.

3) If the face on the 53 was less dinged, I’d go for that coin in a heartbeat, as I prefer the rest of the coin.

What say ye?

John Q. Coinage

I like the 61, couldn’t see reverse but the obverse is nice, sharp color, small pimple on cheek. The 53 is really scratched a lot or ampliphied by pic? Price is obviously more for the 61. Love those Draped Bust coins….
My ‘O7D Half is pretty nice…..

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REB

I see the 06-D that I’m after in that pic. Love the album, JQC.

Rick

Is this the REB Summer Coin Showcase!? You’re killing me, no, you’re killing it! I found your Capped Bust Half Eagles in the S&B June Showcase Auction. If I had to choose between the two it would be the MS61 hands down, but I’d have to pay up. Despite the balanced strike, the face divot is too much for me on the 53. Within the divot is yet another apparent gouge(a planchet flaw). Too many flaws for my liking. The 61 does not have that large concave area on the cheek. The 61 has the issue with the weak area… Read more »

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REB

Wow, Rick, you’re amazing with this stuff. Insightful & helpful. My wife likes the 53’s character, but the character flaws kind of turn me off.

Here’s another for your consideration. It looks almost too good to be true, but I figure I’d let the expert take a look-see.

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P.S. – It’s on the Bay.

P.S.P.S. – I hope I haven’t exceeded your coin whisperer fee.

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CaliSkier

REB, although they are asking $20K more for the same grade, than the example you’re contemplating, I like this one(below) better due to the original color. Definitely more wear(eagles head) on the reverse, than the one you’re looking at. However, when comparing and contrasting the two coins, the one you’re looking at looks dipped to me and not sure how they end up with straight grades vs cleaned? My experience in this field is non-existent besides what I’ve been learning from Rick and E1. It just looks too shiny to me for an AU graded coin IMO. With the strike… Read more »

REB

Thanks, Cali. I checked out the AU-58 on eBay as well. I visit Charleston from time to time to pick up pralines. Maybe I’ll take a live gander at the coin. It does have a certain “you are there in the 1700s” feel to it.

CaliSkier

You’re welcome! You might use CoinFacts to take a peek at past auction results and look at the coin pictures that are linked to Heritage and Stack’s Bowers past auctions of those AU58’s. There are 10 different coins you can follow the links back to the original HA/SB listing. You’re probably aware of that, however others may not be? Also cool to read those original listings as they often are filled with a wealth of information on the issues history and sometimes the given coins history or provenance. REB, I’m also glad you enjoyed the Dahlonega Coin Talk thread I… Read more »

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East Coast Guru

Looking at the eBay pictures, the enlarged and side by side photos make the coin look much better than the coin appears in its holder. Almost as if they airbrushed the dings and scratches out.

East Coast Guru

By the way, looks like the mint raised the tier pricing by one level on gold.

John Q. Coinage

They raised the palladium yesterday PT too I think

Rick

REB, The eBay AU58 you found is a nice example, better than the other two at Stacks imo. That pic was over-juiced with color saturation & brightness though. Yes, I agree w/Cali, it’s too shiny, without original color. But hang on, what did it look like when it was brand new? – shiny. What was its original color? – bright yellow gold(they all did). Yes, some early gold does reveal some copper-orange hues & spots due to incomplete mix/melding, and yes, much of that nice color comes out later in its life. The “Original color” interpretation is as subjective as… Read more »

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REB

Honestly, I think I like the detail better on the coin on the left. But, could photography be playing a part? This is one instance when it would be good to see the coins side by side in person. It’s similar to when I chose the XF-45 1861-C Half Eagle over the AU-50 version. The coin displayed more detail and character, and at a lower price. Is the red on the surface a cause for future concern?

REB

Honestly, I think I like the detail better on the coin on the left. But, could photography be playing a part? This is one instance when it would be good to see the coins side by side in person. It’s similar to when I chose the XF-45 1861-C Half Eagle over the AU-50 version. The coin displayed more detail and character, and at a lower price. Is the red on the surface a cause for future concern?

John Q. Coinage

Prefer the one onthe left, subtle color, hard to imagine. The one on right hasn’t been cleaned over the years….and years, left too maybe less so? Gorgeous out of my budget.

CaliSkier

Reb said regarding the 1795 AU58: This is one instance when it would be good to see the coins side by side in person.” John Q replies: “Prefer the one on the left, subtle color, hard to imagine. The one on right hasn’t been cleaned over the years….and years, left too maybe less so?” Too funny, I feel better and great lesson Rick. Thanks for shining the light, illumination and education! As my original interpretation was and what I believe REB and John Q had also possibly concluded. That your original post with the 2 AU58 coins, I errantly thought… Read more »

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John Q. Coinage

Cali, seems like a lot of early coins, which have been cleaned without abrasions or color disfigurement pass muster w 3rd party graders more nowadays than b4. I collected Bust Halves actively for years and years, in the past 5y IMO I’ve seen coins slabbed that would have got a details holder or “body bag” before. But the coin not the holder, I heard that somewhere! Reb must have hit the Mega Millions min Jackpot, or 2 jackpot$. Been tough buying any good at these levels, but some better dates of Pre33 are goi g well under pricing, as the… Read more »

Rick

REB, “Honestly, I think I like the detail better on the coin on the left. But, could photography be playing a part?” Bingo, yes REB, it is all about photography playing a part in this case, and in many other cases as well. Fyi both pics are of the same exact coin above, just in a different setting. And Guru is correct when he suspected something. Photos of a coin do tell a story, but not the entire story. The more pics in different settings the better. Same with viewing the coin in person as you mention. It helps if… Read more »

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REB

Now that’s some impressive sleuthing, Rick! How did you check PGCS to find out the S&B auction history? Do NGC and CAC have the same or similar registry? It’s kind of like checking the property/tax records to see how much someone paid for their house. Amazing masterclass in numismatics, Rick. Thanks.

CaliSkier

REB, I mention above: “You might use CoinFacts to take a peek at past auction results and look at the coin pictures that are linked to Heritage and Stack’s Bowers past auctions of those AU58’s.” Rick may also have another suggested or preferred way as well? See PSS below for shorter answer, haha. However, here’s one way of doing so. I do a search on Google using the coin I want to know more about. In this case I searched “1795 Small Eagle”. I then scroll through results looking for the PCGS coin that best represents my desired result, usually… Read more »

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Rick

Yes REB, what Cali said above ⇈. Whenever I’m interested in a coin(certified or not), the first thing I do is look up the coin at PCGS for data & pics. If slabbed I enter the cert# at the respective TPG, and see what they have that will be useful when researching the coin. The latest Red Book(E1) is another source, same with Greysheet, etc… I depend on the TPG’s posted info and greatly value it. Anytime that you can get prior auction info can be a useful tool to have in negotiations, such as your coin(s). Whatever you see… Read more »

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Last edited 27 days ago by Rick
Rick

Don’t get me wrong in regards to bashing PCGS TV(TrueView) photos, I love it, value it, and pay for it when submitting. Pro pics are crucial. However, the service is inconsistent when it comes to the accuracy of the coins ‘True’ look at times. It’s a “glamor shot”, and in hi-res, but is sometimes off, way off. Ever since PG had lost their Top Photographer (Phil Arnold), to Great Collections 2 years ago, they’ve been missing the mark with the over-saturation, shadow tricks, etc. They miss Phil, no doubt.

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John Q. Coinage

Photos are easily manipulated nowadays. A dark coin can look lighter, or more editing to diminish chatter, holding and looking the best way but no present remote purchases rule now. Love the true scan shots tho

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Video wouldn’t post. Bummer. “Magic Bus” by the Who. It reminded me of this blog.