US Mint Sales: 2024 Silver Proof Set Starts with 143,765 Sold

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US Mint image 2024 Silver Proof Set
A U.S. Mint product image of the 2024 Silver Proof Set

Last week, the United States Mint launched the 2024 Silver Proof Set. The latest data from the U.S. Mint reveals its initial sales performance.

Released on June 27 for $130, the 10-coin proof set, with 7 coins struck in 99.9% fine silver, achieved 4-day opening sales of 143,765. This made it the U.S. Mint’s best-selling product of the week. However, this figure also represented the weakest sales start in the history of the product line.

For the sake of comparison, here are several factors detailing how sets since 2008 have performed in their initial days:

2008 – 2024 Silver Proof Set Sales

Year Debut Price Melt Value on Release Premium Above Melt on Release Day # of Coins Release Date Date of First Reported Sales Debut Sales Final Sales (unaudited)
2024 Set $130.00 $42.53 $87.47 10 June 27, 2024 June 30, 2024 143,765
2023 Set $130.00 $34.45 $95.55 10 Aug. 22, 2023 Aug. 27, 2023 158,077 193,256 (still available)
2022 Set $105.00 $31.21 $73.79 10 June 23, 2022 June 26, 2022 173,861 249,338
2021 Set $105.00 $23.59 $81.41 7 April 22, 2021 April 25, 2021 172,468 303,786
2020 Set $63.25 $22.89 $40.36 10 (not including bonus nickel) April 17, 2020 April 19, 2019 183,456 313,183
2019 Set $54.95 $22.65 $32.30 10 (not including bonus cent) April 17, 2019 April 21, 2019 191,670 413,890
2018 Set $49.95 $22.20 $27.75 10 April 24, 2018 April 29, 2018 161,518 332,273
2017 Set $47.95 $23.55 $24.40 10 June 6, 2017 June 11, 2017 174,724 358,085
2016 Set $52.95 $22.56 $30.39 13 April 18, 2016 April 24, 2016 176,733 369,849
2015 Set $53.95 $23.28 $30.67 14 May 14, 2015 May 17, 2015 184,613 387,310
2014 Set $53.95 $25.90 $28.05 14 April 29, 2014 May 4, 2014 183,520 429,493
2013 Set $67.95 $31.70 $36.25 14 May 2, 2013 May 6, 2013 166,710 419,720
2012 Set $67.95 $36.64 $31.31 14 June 4, 2012 June 11, 2012 189,628 395,443
2011 Set $67.95 $35.73 $32.22 14 Jan. 25, 2011 Jan. 30, 2011 209,367 574,175
2010 Set $56.95 $25.57 $31.38 14 Aug. 26, 2010 Aug. 29, 2010 241,656 585,414
2009 Set $52.95 $19.99 $32.96 18 July 17, 2009 July 19, 2010 271,372 694,406
2008 Set $44.95 $17.46 $27.49 14 Aug. 26, 2008 Aug. 31, 2010 292,004 774,874

 

U.S. Mint Top Sellers

Here is the roster of the U.S. Mint’s most sought-after numismatic products for the week ending on June 30:

  1. 2024 Silver Proof Set (+143,765)
  2. 2024 Proof Set (+5,628 to 233,432)
  3. 2024-W Proof Silver Eagle (+1,153 to 260,278)
  4. 2023-S Proof Morgan Silver Dollar (+795 to 353,490)
  5. 2023-S Proof Peace Silver Dollar (+596 to 321,135)
  6. 2024 American Women Quarters Proof Set (+450 to 38,143)
  7. 2024-P Liberty & Britannia Silver Medal (+436 to 33,036)
  8. 2023 Mint Set (+375 to 180,251)
  9. 2024-P Proof Greatest Generation Silver Dollar (+342 to 27,449)
  10. 2024 Kennedy Two-Roll Sets (+283 to 25,013)

In its latest report, the U.S. Mint published sales data for 464 numismatic products. The data revealed that 41 products outperformed their sales from the previous week, compared to 106 in the prior report. Two products experienced week-over-week increases of more than 1,000 units, compared to 4 in the prior report.

In addition, 2 products recorded negative weekly sales, compared to 1 in the previous report. The reductions ranged from 1 to 46, with the latter tagged to the 2024-W Liberty & Britannia Gold Coin.

US Mint Sales: Numismatic Products

Below are tables showing the latest available sales for U.S. Mint numismatic products. The sales period covers from June 24 to June 30. Products with an asterisk (*) are no longer available or had no reported sales.

2024 Commemorative Coins

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
2024-S Proof Greatest Generation Half Dollar 16,306 16,474 168 1.03%
2024-D Uncirculated Greatest Generation Half Dollar 7,101 7,137 36 0.51%
2024-P Proof Greatest Generation Silver Dollar 27,107 27,449 342 1.26%
2024-P Uncirculated Greatest Generation Silver Dollar 9,463 9,514 51 0.54%
2024-W Proof Greatest Generation $5 Gold Coin 1,378 1,391 13 0.94%
2024-W Uncirculated Greatest Generation $5 Gold Coin 1,090 1,096 6 0.55%
2024 Greatest Generation Three-Coin Proof Set 4,030 4,070 40 0.99%
2024-S Proof Harriet Tubman Half Dollar 10,834 10,926 92 0.85%
2024-D Uncirculated Harriet Tubman Half Dollar 5,659 5,678 19 0.34%
2024-P Proof Harriet Tubman Silver Dollar 18,257 18,406 149 0.82%
2024-P Uncirculated Harriet Tubman Silver Dollar 6,405 6,442 37 0.58%
2024-W Proof Harriet Tubman $5 Gold Coin 1,399 1,406 7 0.50%
2024-W Uncirculated Harriet Tubman $5 Gold Coin 1,104 1,124 20 1.81%
2024 Harriet Tubman Three-Coin Proof Set 3,852 3,870 18 0.47%

Morgan & Peace Silver Dollars

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
2023-S Morgan & Peace Silver Dollar Reverse Proof Set 247,755 247,755
2023-S Proof Morgan Silver Dollar 352,695 353,490 795 0.23%
2023-S Proof Morgan Silver Dollar (Bulk – 40 Coins) 443 443
2023-S Proof Peace Silver Dollar 320,539 321,135 596 0.19%
2023-S Proof Peace Silver Dollar (Bulk – 40 Coins) 438 438
2023-P Uncirculated Morgan Silver Dollar 260,527 260,527
2023-P Uncirculated Morgan Silver Dollar (40 – Bulk) 330 330
2023-P Uncirculated Peace Silver Dollar 260,449 260,449
2023-P Uncirculated Peace Silver Dollar (40 – Bulk) 338 338

2024 Liberty & Britannia

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
2024-W Liberty & Britannia Gold Coin 5,580 5,534 -46 -0.82%
2024-P Liberty & Britannia Silver Medal 32,600 33,036 436 1.34%

Armed Forces Silver Medals

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
U.S. Army 2.5 Ounce Silver Medal 9,988 9,988
U.S. Marine Corps 2.5 Ounce Silver Medal 9,988 9,988
U.S. Navy 2.5 Ounce Silver Medal 9,987 9,987
U.S. Coast Guard 2.5 Ounce Silver Medal 9,955 9,955
U.S. Air Force 2.5 Ounce Silver Medal 9,953 9,953
U.S. Army 1 Ounce Silver Medal 15,398 15,571 173 1.12%
U.S. Marine Corps 1 Ounce Silver Medal 19,787 19,894 107 0.54%
U.S. Navy 1 Ounce Silver Medal 21,604 21,719 115 0.53%
U.S. Coast Guard 1 Ounce Silver Medal 18,258 18,311 53 0.29%
U.S. Air Force 1 Ounce Silver Medal 21,290 21,381 91 0.43%

American Liberty Products

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
2023-W $100 American Liberty Gold Coin 12,187 12,187
2023-P American Liberty Silver Medal 32,505 32,587 82 0.25%
2022-P American Liberty Silver Medal 74,372 74,372
2021-W $100 American Liberty Gold Coin 12,471 12,471
2019-W $100 American Liberty Gold Coin 24,609 24,609
2019-P American Liberty Silver Medal 44,928 44,928
2018-W $10 American Liberty Gold Coin 59,716 59,716
2017 American Liberty Silver Four-Medal Set* 32,647 32,647
2017-S Enhanced Uncirculated Coin Set* 210,419 210,419
2017-W $100 American Liberty Gold Coin 39,247 39,247
2017-P Proof American Liberty Silver Medal* 55,187 55,187

Clad Proof Sets

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
2024 Proof Set 227,804 233,432 5,628 2.47%
2023 Proof Set* 369,147 369,147
2022 Proof Set* 400,016 400,016
2021 Proof Set* 512,866 512,866
2020 Proof Set* 464,658 464,658
2019 Proof Set* 601,364 601,364
2018 Proof Set* 517,081 517,081
2017 Proof Set* 568,678 568,678
2023 American Innovation Dollars Proof Set 55,923 56,031 108 0.19%
2022 American Innovation Dollars Proof Set 80,682 80,750 68 0.08%
2021 American Innovation Dollars Proof Set 86,210 86,265 55 0.06%
2020 American Innovation Dollars Proof Set 107,067 107,067
2019 American Innovation Dollars Proof Set 148,558 148,558
2024 American Women Quarters Proof Set 37,693 38,143 450 1.19%
2023 American Women Quarters Proof Set 56,644 56,711 67 0.12%
2022 American Women Quarters Proof Set* 42,821 42,821
2020 America the Beautiful Quarters Proof Set* 64,242 64,242
2019 America the Beautiful Quarters Proof Set 84,697 84,697
2018 America the Beautiful Quarters Proof Set* 86,697 86,697

Silver Proof Sets

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
2024 Silver Proof Set 143,765
2023 Silver Proof Set 193,014 193,256 242 0.13%
2022 Silver Proof Set* 249,338 249,338
2021 Silver Proof Set* 303,786 303,786
2020 Silver Proof Set* 313,183 313,183
2019 Silver Proof Set* 413,890 413,890
2018 Silver Proof Set* 332,273 332,273
2018 Silver Reverse Proof Set* 199,116 199,116
2024 American Women Quarters Silver Proof Set 31,221 31,423 202 0.65%
2023 American Women Quarters Silver Proof Set 45,289 45,326 37 0.08%
2022 American Women Quarters Silver Proof Set 57,715 57,715
2020 America the Beautiful Quarters Silver Proof Set* 64,012 64,012
2019 America the Beautiful Quarters Silver Proof Set* 78,588 78,588
2018 America the Beautiful Quarters Silver Proof Set* 79,301 79,301
2024 Congratulations Gift Set 23,697 23,957 260 1.10%
2023 Congratulations Gift Set 39,277 39,277
2022 Congratulations Gift Set 29,710 29,710
2021 Congratulations Gift Set* 39,997 39,997
2020 Congratulations Gift Set* 24,468 24,468
2019 Congratulations Gift Set* 31,638 31,638
2023 Limited Edition Silver Proof Set 25,993 26,180 187 0.72%
2022 Limited Edition Silver Proof Set 49,720 49,720
2021 Limited Edition Silver Proof Set 49,852 49,852
2020 Limited Edition Silver Proof Set* 50,061 50,061

US Mint Uncirculated Sets

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
2023 Uncirculated Mint Set 179,876 180,251 375 0.21%
2022 Uncirculated Mint Set 249,995 249,995
2021 Uncirculated Mint Set 230,375 230,448 73 0.03%
2020 Uncirculated Mint Set* 211,787 211,787
2019 Uncirculated Mint Set* 346,117 346,117
2018 Uncirculated Mint Set* 257,536 257,536
2017 Uncirculated Mint Set* 286,813 286,813

Kids Coin Sets

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
2019 Youth Coin and Currency Set 24,888 24,888
2019 Explore and Discover Coin Set 44,353 44,391 38 0.09%
2019 Rocketship* 49,921 49,921
2014 Coin Discovery Set* 13,151 13,151

Ornaments

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
2023 U.S. Mint Ornament 5,037 5,039 2 0.04%
2023 Mighty Minters Ornament 3,057 3,057
2022 U.S. Mint Ornament 5,769 5,770 1 0.02%
2022 Mighty Minters Ornament 4,115 4,116 1 0.02%
2023 Bessie Coleman Ornament 1,242 1,244 2 0.16%
2023 Edith Kanakaʻole Ornament; 1,416 1,418 2 0.14%
2023 Eleanor Roosevelt Ornament 1,716 1,719 3 0.17%
2023 Jovita Idar Ornament 1,250 1,251 1 0.08%
2023 Maria Tallchief Ornament 1,476 1,478 2 0.14%
2022 Maya Angelou Ornament 3,287 3,290 3 0.09%
2022 Dr. Sally Ride Ornament 3,390 3,394 4 0.12%
2022 Wilma Mankiller Ornament 2,341 2,342 1 0.04%
2022 Nina Otero-Warren Ornament 1,827 1,828 1 0.05%
2022 Anna May Wong Ornament 3,250 3,252 2 0.06%
2021 Mighty Minters Ornament 4,821 4,821
2021 U.S. Mint Ornament 7,969 7,969
2020 Mighty Minters Ornament 4,581 4,581
2020 U.S. Mint Ornament 6,704 6,704
2019 Mighty Minters Ornament 7,105 7,105
2019 U.S. Mint Ornament 11,982 11,982

Proof & Reverse Proof Silver Eagles

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
2024-W Proof Silver Eagle 259,125 260,278 1,153 0.44%
2024-W Proof Silver Eagle (Bulk – 40 Coins) 1,463 1,463
2023-S Proof Silver Eagle 180,177 180,265 88 0.05%
2023-S Proof Silver Eagle (Bulk – 40 Coins) 743 743
2022-S Proof Silver Eagle 199,698 199,698
2022-S Proof Silver Eagle (Bulk – 40 Coins) 2,925 2,925
2023-W Proof Silver Eagle 436,486 436,486
2023-W Proof Silver Eagle (Bulk – 40 Coins) 2,118 2,118
2022-W Proof Silver Eagle 496,994 496,994
2022-W Proof Silver Eagle (Bulk – 40 Coins) 4,171 4,171
2021 Reverse Proof American Silver Eagle Two-Coin Set* 124,924 124,924
2021-S Proof Silver Eagle, Type 2* 199,748 199,748
2021-S Proof Silver Eagle, Type 2 (Bulk – 40 Coins)* 652 652
2021-W Proof Silver Eagle, Type 2* 300,096 300,096
2021-W Proof Silver Eagle, Type 2 (Bulk – 40 Coins)* 2,142 2,142
2021-W Proof Silver Eagle, Type 1* 299,911 299,911
2021-W Proof Silver Eagle, Type 1 (Bulk – 40 Coins)* 686 686

Uncirculated Silver Eagles

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
2024 93,772 93,831 59 0.06%
2023 138,492 138,537 45 0.03%
2022 164,603 164,602 -1 0.00%
2022 Bulk 40 989 989
2021* 174,943 174,943
2021 Bulk 40* 324 324

2024 Proof American Eagle Gold Coins

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
1 oz 2,478 2,520 42 1.69%
1/2 oz 1,230 1,245 15 1.22%
1/4 oz 4,280 4,304 24 0.56%
1/10 oz 6,037 6,165 128 2.12%
4-Coin Set 4,127 4,148 21 0.51%

2023 Proof American Eagle Gold Coins

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
1 oz 6,473 6,474 1 0.02%
1/2 oz 2,011 2,011
1/4 oz 4,492 4,492
1/10 oz 13,423 13,423
4-Coin Set 9,976 9,976

2022 Proof American Eagle Gold Coins

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
1 oz 5,913 5,913
1/2 oz 1,970 1,970
1/4 oz 4,464 4,464
1/10 oz 13,806 13,806
4-Coin Set 9,906 9,906

Uncirculated American Eagle Gold Coins

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
2024 1,812 1,892 80 4.42%
2023 6,425 6,431 6 0.09%
2022 8,857 8,857
2021* 8,964 8,964
2020* 6,284 6,284
2019* 5,851 5,851

Proof American Buffalo Gold Coins

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
2024 Proof Gold Buffalo 5,130 5,396 266 5.19%
2023 Proof Gold Buffalo 15,563 15,569 6 0.04%
2022 Proof Gold Buffalo 15,943 15,943
2021 Proof Gold Buffalo* 16,969 16,969
2020 Proof Gold Buffalo* 11,887 11,887
2019 Proof Gold Buffalo* 14,844 14,844

Barbara Bush First Spouse Gold Coins

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
2020-W Proof 2,968 2,968
2020-W Uncirculated 1,967 1,967

Proof American Platinum Eagle

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
2024 4,624 4,655 31 0.67%
2023 8,356 8,363 7 0.08%
2022 9,941 9,941
2021 9,884 9,884
2020 9,835 9,835
2019 11,268 11,268
2018 16,172 16,172
2017* 8,890 8,890

American Palladium Eagle

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
2023-W Uncirculated 5,455 5,468 13 0.24%
2022-W Reverse Proof 7,373 7,373
2021-W Proof 5,170 5,170
2020-W Uncirculated 9,746 9,746
2019-W Reverse Proof 18,839 18,839
2018-W Proof* 14,986 14,986

Presidential Silver Medals

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
2024 James A. Garfield Presidential Silver Medal 11,099 11,139 40 0.36%
2024 Rutherford B. Hayes Presidential Silver Medal 11,479 11,503 24 0.21%
2023 Ulysses S. Grant Presidential Silver Medal 13,475 13,497 22 0.16%
2023 Andrew Johnson Presidential Silver Medal 12,569 12,575 6 0.05%
2023 Abraham Lincoln Presidential Silver Medal 19,149 19,159 10 0.05%
2023 James Buchanan Presidential Silver Medal 12,389 12,395 6 0.05%
2021 Franklin Pierce Presidential Silver Medal 12,630 12,635 5 0.04%
2022 Millard Fillmore Presidential Silver Medal 12,731 12,738 7 0.05%
2022 Zachary Taylor Presidential Silver Medal 13,127 13,132 5 0.04%
2022 James Knox Polk Presidential Silver Medal 13,368 13,370 2 0.01%
2021 John Tyler Presidential Silver Medal 13,758 13,761 3 0.02%
2021 William Henry Harrison Presidential Silver Medal 13,721 13,725 4 0.03%
2021 Martin Van Buren Presidential Silver Medal 13,850 13,854 4 0.03%
2020 Andrew Jackson Presidential Silver Medal 16,787 16,787
2019 John Quincy Adams Presidential Silver Medal 14,931 14,934 3 0.02%
2019 James Monroe Presidential Silver Medal 15,399 15,401 2 0.01%
2019 James Madison Presidential Silver Medal 17,041 17,045 4 0.02%
2019 Thomas Jefferson Presidential Silver Medal 24,483 24,488 5 0.02%
2018 George Washington Presidential Silver Medal 35,553 35,560 7 0.02%
2018 John Adams Presidential Silver Medal 23,798 23,803 5 0.02%

American Innovation Reverse Proof Sets

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
2023 38,011 38,059 48 0.13%
2022 49,687 49,687
2021 49,604 49,604

2024 American Innovation Dollars – Maine

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
25-coin roll set (P) 7,519 7,546 27 0.36%
25-coin roll set (D) 6,551 6,579 28 0.43%
100-coin bag (P) 2,465 2,480 15 0.61%
100-coin bag (D) 1,867 1,892 25 1.34%

2024 American Innovation Dollars – Alabama

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
25-coin roll set (P) 8,375 8,375
25-coin roll set (D) 7,413 7,413
100-coin bag (P) 3,148 3,148
100-coin bag (D) 2,942 2,942

2024 American Innovation Dollars – Illinois

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
25-coin roll set (P) 7,697 7,717 20 0.26%
25-coin roll set (D) 7,031 7,097 66 0.94%
100-coin bag (P) 1,936 1,942 6 0.31%
100-coin bag (D) 1,950 1,953 3 0.15%

2023 American Innovation Dollars – Mississippi

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
25-coin roll set (P) 7,947 7,947
25-coin roll set (D) 6,880 6,880
100-coin bag (P) 2,232 2,237 5 0.22%
100-coin bag (D) 2,280 2,282 2 0.09%

2023 American Innovation Dollars – Indiana

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
25-coin roll set (P) 8,022 8,022
25-coin roll set (D) 6,994 6,994
100-coin bag (P) 3,007 3,007
100-coin bag (D) 2,792 2,792

2023 American Innovation Dollars – Louisiana

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
25-coin roll set (P) 7,990 7,990
25-coin roll set (D) 6,990 6,990
100-coin bag (P) 2,867 2,876 9 0.31%
100-coin bag (D) 2,749 2,749

2023 American Innovation Dollars – Ohio

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
25-coin roll set (P) 8,016 8,016
25-coin roll set (D) 6,978 6,978
100-coin bag (P) 2,963 2,963
100-coin bag (D) 2,739 2,739

2022 American Innovation Dollars – Tennessee

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%

Increase

25-coin roll set (P) 7,014 7,014
25-coin roll set (D) 7,010 7,010
100-coin bag (P) 2,781 2,781
100-coin bag (D) 2,786 2,786

2022 American Innovation Dollars – Kentucky

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
25-coin roll set (P) 7,009 7,009
25-coin roll set (D) 6,995 6,995
100-coin bag (P) 2,771 2,771
100-coin bag (D) 2,779 2,779

2022 American Innovation Dollars – Vermont

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
25-coin roll set (P) 7,023 7,023
25-coin roll set (D) 7,011 7,011
100-coin bag (P) 2,787 2,787
100-coin bag (D) 2,778 2,778

2022 American Innovation Dollars – Rhode Island

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
25-coin roll set (P) 7,010 7,010
25-coin roll set (D) 7,007 7,007
100-coin bag (P) 2,789 2,789
100-coin bag (D) 2,787 2,787

2021 American Innovation Dollars – North Carolina

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
25-coin roll set (P) 7,010 7,010
25-coin roll set (D) 7,018 7,018
100-coin bag (P) 2,789 2,789
100-coin bag (D) 2,790 2,790

2021 American Innovation Dollars – New York

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
25-coin roll set (P) 7,006 7,006
25-coin roll set (D) 7,013 7,013
100-coin bag (P) 2,786 2,786
100-coin bag (D) 2,785 2,785

2021 American Innovation Dollars – Virginia

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
25-coin roll set (P) 7,015 7,015
25-coin roll set (D) 7,010 7,010
100-coin bag (P) 2,796 2,796
100-coin bag (D) 2,786 2,786

2021 American Innovation Dollars – New Hampshire

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
25-coin roll set (P) 7,017 7,017
25-coin roll set (D) 7,017 7,017
100-coin bag (P) 2,789 2,789
100-coin bag (D) 2,790 2,790

2020 American Innovation Dollars – South Carolina

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
Reverse Proof (S) 41,669 41,669
25-coin roll set (P) 6,378 6,378
25-coin roll set (D) 6,399 6,399
100-coin bag (P) 2,734 2,734
100-coin bag (D) 2,378 2,378

2020 American Innovation Dollars – Maryland

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
Reverse Proof (S) 49,794 49,794
25-coin roll set (P) 6,493 6,493
25-coin roll set (D) 6,471 6,471
100-coin bag (P) 2,725 2,725
100-coin bag (D) 2,737 2,737

2020 American Innovation Dollars – Massachusetts

Old
Sales
Latest

Sales

Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
Reverse Proof (S) 49,711 49,711
25-coin roll set (P) 6,486 6,486
25-coin roll set (D) 6,481 6,481
100-coin bag (P) 2,746 2,746
100-coin bag (D) 2,744 2,744

2020 American Innovation Dollars – Connecticut

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
Reverse Proof (S) 47,186 47,192 6 0.01%
25-coin roll set (P) 6,496 6,496
25-coin roll set (D) 6,425 6,425
100-coin bag (P) 2,736 2,736
100-coin bag (D) 2,747 2,747

2019 American Innovation Dollars – Georgia

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
Reverse Proof (S) 47,553 47,563 10 0.02%
25-coin roll set (P) 8,092 8,093 1 0.01%
25-coin roll set (D) 7,542 7,542
100-coin bag (P) 3,459 3,459
100-coin bag (D) 3,420 3,427 7 0.20%

2019 American Innovation Dollars – New Jersey

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
Reverse Proof (S) 51,029 51,029
25-coin roll set (P) 9,102 9,103 1 0.01%
25-coin roll set (D) 8,043 8,043
100-coin bag (P) 3,941 3,941
100-coin bag (D) 3,586 3,586

2019 American Innovation Dollars – Pennsylvania

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
Reverse Proof (S) 55,628 55,641 13 0.02%
25-coin roll set (P) 10,457 10,457
25-coin roll set (D) 8,536 8,536
100-coin bag (P) 3,689 3,689
100-coin bag (D) 3,055 3,055

2019 American Innovation Dollars – Delaware

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
Reverse Proof (S) 71,012 71,025 13 0.02%
25-coin roll set (P) 9,107 9,108 1 0.01%
25-coin roll set (D) 8,372 8,372
100-coin bag (P) 3,203 3,203
100-coin bag (D) 3,385 3,385

2018 American Innovation Dollars

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
Reverse Proof (S)* 74,720 74,720
Proof Coin (S) 254,127 254,127
25-coin roll set (P) 22,903 22,903
25-coin roll set (D) 25,725 25,725
100-coin bag (P)* 2,935 2,935
100-coin bag (D)* 2,954 2,954

George H.W. Bush Coin & Chronicles Set

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
$1 Coin & Set 11,516 11,516

2020 Bush Presidential $1 Coin & First Spouse Medal Set

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
$1 Coin & Set 9,876 9,876

2020 George H.W. Bush Presidential $1 Coins

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
25-coin roll (P) 24,922 24,922
25-coin roll (D) 23,911 23,971 60 0.25%
100-coin bag (P) 2,695 2,695
100-coin bag (D) 2,098 2,098
250-coin bag (P) 3,019 3,019
250-coin bag (D) 4,630 4,630

Native American Dollar Rolls

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
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Loss
%
Increase
2024-P Native American $1 25 Coin Roll 12,424 12,565 141 1.13%
2024-D Native American $1 25 Coin Roll 11,966 12,073 107 0.89%
2024-P Native American $1 100-Coin Bag 1,731 1,731
2024-D Native American $1 100-Coin Bag 1,718 1,734 16 0.93%
2024-P Native American $1 250-Coin Box 866 875 9 1.04%
2024-D Native American $1 250-Coin Box 922 930 8 0.87%
2023-P Native American $1 25 Coin Roll 13,922 13,922
2023-D Native American $1 25 Coin Roll 13,950 13,950
2023-P Native American $1 100-Coin Bag 1,695 1,695
2023-D Native American $1 100-Coin Bag 1,694 1,694
2023-P Native American $1 250-Coin Box 1,561 1,571 10 0.64%
2023-D Native American $1 250-Coin Box 1,618 1,618
2022-P Native American $1 25 Coin Roll 13,996 13,996
2022-D Native American $1 25 Coin Roll 13,965 13,965
2022-P Native American $1 100-Coin Bag 1,699 1,699
2022-D Native American $1 100-Coin Bag 1,614 1,614
2022-P Native American $1 250-Coin Box 1,698 1,698
2022-D Native American $1 250-Coin Box 1,699 1,699

Kennedy Half Dollar Rolls

Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
2024-dated 200-coin bag (P&D) 5,871 5,963 92 1.57%
2024-dated 2-roll set (P&D) 24,730 25,013 283 1.14%
2023-dated 200-coin bag (P&D) 11,162 11,162
2023-dated 2-roll set (P&D) 24,987 24,987
2022-dated 200-coin bag (P&D) 10,999 10,999
2022-dated 2-roll set (P&D) 21,926 21,926
2021-dated 200-coin bag (P&D)* 9,976 9,976
2021-dated 2-roll set (P&D)* 21,989 21,989
2020-dated 200-coin bag (P&D)* 11,776 11,776
2020-dated 2-roll set (P&D)* 24,312 24,312
2019-dated 200-coin bag (P&D)* 11,534 11,534
2019-dated 2-roll set (P&D)* 24,132 24,132

2024 Dr. Mary Edwards Walker Quarters

  Old
Sales
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Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
Three-Roll Set 11,040 11,137 97 0.88%
100-Coin Bag (P) 1,819 1,839 20 1.10%
100-Coin Bag (D) 1,573 1,589 16 1.02%
Two-Roll Set 2,797 2,828 31 1.11%

2024 Patsy Takemoto Mink Quarters

  Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
Three-Roll Set 11,016 11,044 28 0.25%
100-Coin Bag (P) 1,460 1,462 2 0.14%
100-Coin Bag (D) 1,213 1,215 2 0.16%
Two-Roll Set 2,650 2,661 11 0.42%

2024 Rev. Dr. Pauli Murray Quarters

  Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
Three-Roll Set 11,877 11,892 15 0.13%
100-Coin Bag (P) 1,728 1,734 6 0.35%
100-Coin Bag (D) 1,411 1,414 3 0.21%
Two-Roll Set 2,865 2,872 7 0.24%

2023 Maria Tallchief Quarters

  Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
Three-Roll Set 12,551 12,552 1 0.01%
100-Coin Bag (P) 2,007 2,010 3 0.15%
100-Coin Bag (D) 1,733 1,736 3 0.17%
Two-Roll Set 3,484 3,489 5 0.14%

2023 Jovita Idar Quarters

  Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
Three-Roll Set 12,595 12,595
100-Coin Bag (P) 3,963 3,971 8 0.20%
100-Coin Bag (D) 3,574 3,578 4 0.11%
Two-Roll Set 3,807 3,813 6 0.16%

2023 Eleanor Roosevelt Quarters

  Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
Three-Roll Set 12,678 12,678
100-Coin Bag (P) 4,283 4,285 2 0.05%
100-Coin Bag (D) 3,952 3,956 4 0.10%
Two-Roll Set 4,511 4,515 4 0.09%

2023 Edith Kanakaʻole Quarters

  Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
Three-Roll Set 12,585 12,585
100-Coin Bag (P) 7,288 7,292 4 0.05%
100-Coin Bag (D) 4,550 4,552 2 0.04%
Two-Roll Set 5,747 5,751 4 0.07%

2023 Bessie Coleman Quarters

  Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
Three-Roll Set 12,511 12,511
100-Coin Bag (P) 5,609 5,614 5 0.09%
100-Coin Bag (D) 4,919 4,922 3 0.06%
Two-Roll Set 5,888 5,892 4 0.07%

2022 Anna May Wong Quarters

  Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
Three-Roll Set 7,617 7,617
100-Coin Bag (P) 1,860 1,860
100-Coin Bag (D) 1,858 1,858
Two-Roll Set 5,936 5,936

2022 Nina Otero-Warren Quarters

  Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
Three-Roll Set 7,639 7,639
100-Coin Bag (P) 1,856 1,856
100-Coin Bag (D) 1,856 1,858 2 0.11%
Two-Roll Set 5,890 5,890

2022 Wilma Mankiller Quarters

  Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
Three-Roll Set 7,616 7,616
100-Coin Bag (P) 1,859 1,859
100-Coin Bag (D) 1,833 1,833
Two-Roll Set 5,918 5,918

2022 Dr. Sally Ride Quarters

  Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
Three-Roll Set 7,603 7,603
100-Coin Bag (P) 1,854 1,854
100-Coin Bag (D) 1,852 1,852
Two-Roll Set 5,926 5,926

2022 Maya Angelou Quarters

  Old
Sales
Latest
Sales
Gain/
Loss
%
Increase
Three-Roll Set 7,588 7,588
100-Coin Bag (P) 1,858 1,858
100-Coin Bag (D) 1,861 1,861
Two-Roll Set 5,940 5,940

 

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James E Mayes

Pricing ordinary folks out of the coin collecting hobby.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Maybe us ordinary folks shouldn’t be in the coin collecting hobby.

Just kidding! 😉

Rick

Two days ago Rick said,
“Pretty good showing for the ’24 Silver Proof Set regardless of price = 143,765 sets in just a few days… (4 days according to Mike)..

Major D what did Myself and Mike Unser get wrong with regards to these numbers?
The other day you didn’t agree with my number posted above. Were you splitting hairs/separating amounts(?) in regards to the sales reports published?
I don’t care to go back and do your math. And thanks for clarification if you do.

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Major D

Rick, I was simply looking at the US Mint’s weekly sales reports. For the 2024 silver proof set (24RH) the reports show (and please take a look for yourself): Week ending June 9: 639 (+639) Week ending June 23: 129,320 (+128,681) Week ending June 30: 143,765 (+14,445) The official release date was June 27, and yet there were 129,320 (639+128,681) cumulative sales before that date. I chalked it up to DivineGate, as TPG were slabbing coins from these sets for dealers weeks before the release. For whatever reason, CoinNews/Mike Unser reported the entire 143,765 (639+128,681+14,445) as happening between June 27… Read more »

Rick

So in the end it all works out. Divinegate, I’ve never noticed that scenario before? Probably common anymore, or luck? Anyway…
I wish you were my math teacher way back, maybe not? I always flirted with the girlies. “D”s up and down my pages Mr D. Or would that be your stamp of approval? Yeah, that’s it!
Thanks

Rick

Yep E1,
Buy in bulk, get the inside deal, get the special labels…
Not surprising, those very Big Boys sold AKBob our L&B 70’s..
I’m tempted to get one! Very nice!

Last edited 16 days ago by Rick
Kaiser Wilhelm

Yet another example of why the rich get richer. And so it goes.

Craig

Do you guys really buy off of eBay? I’m much more discerning about where I spend my $$$…and it’s not with eBay.

Major D

Craig, I thought the whole point of TPG by the likes of PCGS and NGC was to have authenticity and verification of grade. Are you saying that only certain select dealers have authentic slabs? Believe it or not, but most of the reputable dealers sell on eBay, even bigger ones like APMEX and JM Bullion sell there. Or are you saying that you’d rather just pay more just because you don’t like eBay? If the code numbers check out on the cert sites, and it’s authentic, what difference does it matter where you buy it? I highly doubt that any… Read more »

Last edited 16 days ago by Major D
Kaiser Wilhelm

Major D and Craig,

My philosophy regarding this situation falls somewhere between the two of you. I don’t have any particular problem with ebay but I do have an issue with the Big Boys getting their numismatic merchandise onto that site by way of earlier access to and discounted prices for coins from the Mint.

Major D

Kaiser, I’d say that has nothing to do with the authenticity, but rather who can sell for a bigger profit.

Kaiser Wilhelm

True that, Major D, as I didn’t happen in any way to be contesting the issue of coin authenticity. Instead, I was merely offering my reflections on how and why it isn’t typically feasible for the ordinary collector to successfully compete with the Big Boys on ebay.

Major D

Kaiser, I wouldn’t say that’s true across the board but no doubt the Big Boys have a huge advantage with slabs and in buying in bulk at discount. But they also have overhead to contend with, the little guy not so much. I like eBay for leveling the field in that regard and allowing the little guy to actually compete and do alright with a lot of stuff.

Last edited 15 days ago by Major D
Kaiser Wilhelm

Major D,
Good points as always, my friend. I think I would have been more on the money by stating that the proverbial Big Boys not only have their own access to ebay but in addition have all their other typical venues available for them to ply their trade.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Watergate, “Between you, me and the gatepost”, Divinegate…regardless of which, the floodgates are open.
Math was my persistent nemesis in school. My trig teacher gave me a mercy “C” to save my GPA.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Major D,

This appears to indicate that the most the individual sales total of the 2024-S Silver Proof Set could be as of this week’s Mint reporting period is 14,445.

Major D

Yes, that was my take-away as well. Although it could be less than that considering there were 3 days (Mon, Tues, Wed) in the week’s reporting period before the official release on Thurs.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Major D,

This shines an entirely different light on the first indication of the individual sales numbers for the 2024-S Silver Proof Sets, one that is dramatically different, as in rather extravagantly less, than the impression one gets from simply accepting the Mint Sales report as presented. Collector purchases of this annual Mint product are in fact way down!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Unless, of course, the reporting practice of the Mint regarding this Set was different in prior years in that the first sales report wasn’t released until the Silver Mint Set was sold to the public.

Rick

You’re welcome to check it out, they’ll take you back to 2015.
For me? A big to do about nothing, Why? Because in the end no matter how many went here, how many went there–in the end–coin collectors received 99.9% of the sets/coins.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rick,

I wouldn’t dispute that figure even if you said all the coins and/or sets thereof landed in collectors’ hands as that is precisely where numismatic coins are supposed to end up. Mine and Major D’s contention was simply referring to the Mint’s particular reporting method for the sale of these sets/coins rather than what their destination was intended to be.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Major D,

Considering there exist two earlier weeks worth of Mint sales numbers prior to the public release of the 2024-S Silver Proof Set, the weekly report ending June 30 with an addition of 14,445 units sold is the only figure that at that point can be applied to Silver Proof Sets not sold by the Mint as early purchases to approved bulk buyers. I would however surmise though that in previous years a similar pattern of sales did apply without the Mint having broken it down as such.

Major D

Rick, I didn’t want to add to the 227 comments on the last article, so I’ll ask my question here. In response to the cost of slabbing a coin you wrote: 1 coin Economy = $68 In hand 9-10 weeks +/- no pic./ with pic add $5 1 coin Regular = $85 In hand 2 Months +/- with pic 1 coin Express =$115 In hand 3 weeks +/- with pic 1 coin Walkthrough = $195 In hand 1 week +/- with pic Shipping is included at $35 minimum both ways. Shipping eats up half of Economy lol. *The more coins… Read more »

John Q. Coinage

Some ‘folk’ get fleet discount & # gaurantee w 3rd party Cos. Agree, the crazy USM base price renders any value purchases impossible. CAC may be an alternative, PCGS not the grading panacea it once was….IMHO

Rick

You nailed it, fleet discount it is.

Rick

Major D, I had asked that same question regarding the fancy L&B Gold AK and I bought a while back. So it looks like the “Big Boy” factor plays into our question on this matter I think. Of course it does(says Kaiser!).. AKBob correct me if I miss something substantial–you have sent 100’s more coins in than me… The list I posted was for traditional submissions from 1 to several coins and fairly accurate–I did not include First Strike with those, so even more expensive with that option. For the ordinary guy the ‘Modern Value’ option is the way to… Read more »

Last edited 16 days ago by Rick
Kaiser Wilhelm

Correcto mundo, Rick. “Big Boy” is not just a hamburger joint.

Rick

I used to like going to Big Boy as a kid. And if we were good, off we went to Farrell’s Ice Cream Parlour!..
A kids dream right there–Farrell’s–a West coast thing.

CaliSkier

Thanks for the memories Kaiser and Rick! Bob’s as well as Farrell’s Ice Cream Parlour, bring back fond thoughts of years gone by! Attending or receiving an invite to a Birthday party there(Farrell’s) was one of my favorites, as assuredly, the behemoth, we fondly knew as “The Zoo” would get ordered, then arrive at your table, to great fanfare! Ahhh….THOSE were the days! PS BTW, I thought the West Coast was their only(main) area of operation as well, however: “ At its peak, Farrell’s Ice Cream Parlour had 130 shops across the United States — from Staten Island to Santa… Read more »

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Kaiser Wilhelm

CaliSkier,

You’re entirely welcome, my friend. Memories like that are worth their weight in gold…or is that too expensive here now?

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DAVESWFL

OMG Kaiser!
I haven’t thought about Burger Chef for years! First experience with them in mid / 1960s – freshly flame broiled burgers right onto the bun and then right down the hatch!! And CHEAP

Kaiser Wilhelm

The co-founder of Burger Chef also invented the original flame broiler, no dummy he. Never been to one myself; White Tower on the other hand was my personal ’60s hangout.

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REB

Yep. Loved me some Burger Chef back in the day.

E 1

I’ll take fries with those thighs.

Kaiser Wilhelm

It’s actually not just very funny but in fact somewhat eerily uncanny you should say that in this very particular regard, E 1, but even though about 56 years have now gone by any gentleman worth his salt still won’t kiss and tell, so that’s that.

Rick

Yes, and I should have said Western religion to be more accurate. My last visit to Farrell’s(CO) was probably nearly 50 years ago–ouch!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rick,

Was this intended to say Western “region” as opposed to “religion”?

Rick

It was. The spell checker gave me some payback for ‘overuse’ of the privilege!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Thanks, Rick, for clarifying that. I must say though that the previously mis-applied alternative word bestowed a certain degree of amusing cryptic ambiguity the correct one doesn’t possess.

Craig

Do you have any In-n-out burger joints near you? I keep hearing they have the best burgers, but are at present on the west coast only. Just curious if all the hyperbole is warranted.

Rick

Yes they are here(I’m in a suburb of Denver), but only 6-7 locations-so far. They are not the best burgers, but darn close imo. Their fries suck, but of course I eat them-mostly. They have built a distribution warehouse in the Springs, so more In-n-outs to come to the region. They’re way overhyped here because they’re new to the area. A location opened up just a couple of miles away from us 2 years ago. On opening day my wife and daughter, who succumb to hype, spent at least 1.5 hrs in the drive thru waiting for our order-lol. My… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rick,

That is some really grand information, most especially so for anyone on this site who like me is totally clueless regarding these particular matters. Many thanks!

Major D

It looks really rigged in favor of the big dealers…. again. For a collector wanting to break out and grade a few coins, you’re better off just buying the coin already slabbed from a dealer. And I guess that’s how they want it.

Kaiser Wilhelm

“And I guess that’s how they want it.”

You hit the nail right on its pointy little head there, Major D.

More, at least for the Big Boys in any form of business, is never enough.

AKBob

Major D, I think you’re correct, it’s easier to just purchase one already graded! I’ve sent in a lot to get graded and it’s not cheap and it takes a long time to get it back from grading. I’ve also had to go thru a lot of phones calls trying to fix their mistakes! All time consuming, kinda like calling your health insurance company, it sucks!!! Basically, it’s about $65 per coin with PCGS and that’s for the First Strike, Flag Label. That includes shipping as long as you’re sending in 10 coins at once as shipping only one coin… Read more »

Major D

Thanks for chiming in, AKBob!

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Kaiser Wilhelm

And best of luck to you with your Flowing Hair Gold plans, AKBob!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Referring to an earlier discussion, this is why the Big Boys rule on ebay.

Major D

Rick, thanks for posting this breakdown!

Rick

✔️!

CaliSkier

Additionally, apparently British Columbia, CA, “eh, our northern neighbors even had a Farrell’s at some point. List of States mentioning previous locations: “ AL, AR, AZ, CA, CO, FL, GA, HI, IL, IN, KS, KY, LA, MD, MI, MN, NC, NJ, NM, NY, OH, OK, OR, PA, TX, UT, VA, WA, WI”. AND, some history I hadn’t been aware of: “ In 1983, the Selective Service purchased Farrell’s “Birthday Club” data and mailed warnings to young men to register for the draft before their 18th birthday. Farrell’s blamed the situation on an unauthorized sale by a list broker, and the… Read more »

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Kaiser Wilhelm

If I didn’t know any better, CaliSkier, I would think that story about the Selective Service and its purchase of Farrell’s Birthday Club list was from the Onion!

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CaliSkier

Too funny Kaiser Wilhelm however the Farrell’s and Selective Service story is True: “Did the Selective Service Harvest Names from a ‘Free Ice Cream’ List?”(Fact Check- True) The link below and excerpts from Snopes. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ice-cream-registration-notice/ “In 1984, a Palo Alto, California, family received a Selective Services reminder that it was almost time for Johnny Klomberg to register for the draft. Problem was, there was no Johnny Klomberg living at that address. Or anywhere else. He was purely the fictional invention of the two boys who did live there, Eric and Greg Hentzel. To remind 18-year-olds to register with the Selective… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Caliskier,

I admit I am woefully unitiated when it comes to knowledge of specific laws and regulations, but it would appear to me that at least somehow in the spirit of the United States Constitution the untoward type of behavior that George Mann Associates engaged in ought to have been considered a big no-no by any and all involved in that clearly unpleasant imbroglio.

CaliSkier

Rich, in the previous thread said: “In just the last 3 years, the Mint has doubled the price for this product(5oz Ag ATB), from $229 to $455, which contains approximately $152.50 worth of silver at today’s silver spot price of $30.50.” Actually, to be very clear, the 5oz silver coin price increases from $229, to $380, to now $455(Bat Shit Crazy!) have occurred over the past 7-8 months vs 3 years. The price has essentially doubled in less than 8 months. Absolutely crazy! Based on US Mint logic of how an increase in spot Precious metal prices affects their pricing,… Read more »

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CaliSkier

^ I meant same scale for fractionals, based on charging $7,00/oz, vs same prices currently in effect.

Major D

What does it matter? They can increase it to $1,000 — there are no 5-oz silver anything available for sale. And while they’re at it, they can increase the George H.W. Bush C+C set to $1,000, too.

CaliSkier

Did you possibly consider the upcoming 2024 Cyber Monday Vault Sale in 4 short months? The Mint seems to be able to pull products, we thought, were or had been “Sold Out”, similar to Penn and Teller, from or “out of a hat. How about any 5oz Ag coin that could or may be in the works for issuing in 2025 or 2026, for the 250 Year Anniversary? Never say never, with the US Mint!

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Cyber sounds like the German word Zauber which means magic, so for any bilinguals here the Mint’s Magic Vault Sale makes perfect sense.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

CaliSkier is however focusing on the equivalent of the rationale of raising airline First Class seats to three times their previous price if Economy seats have themselves precipitously already been tripled in price. He isn’t advocating for raising prices gratuitously for seats on airliners that have since been retired.

Craig

CaliSkier,

It may be ‘Bat Shit Crazy’ to price those gorgeous 5 oz. plates of Ag at $455.00, but I’m Bat Shit Happy that they are since I own all of them (plus extras.) That’s the kind of coin collecting and value ascending I’m all about.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Absolutely brilliant not to mention totally correct on both counts, CaliSkier. The Mint’s gold price increases should unquestionably be keeping pace with those of its silver products and by all rights the bullion purchasers and advance buyers ought to be charged an adequate market rather than a gratuitously discounted premium rate. Fair is fair.

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J S

Good post.

Major D

CaliSkier, the ATB Bullion Program lost $0.3 million in net income in FY23. It was one of only two bullion programs to lose money. The other was the American Platinum Eagle, which lost $4.6 million in net income.

In FY22, ATB Bullion had 0 net income. In FY21 it lost $1.1 million in net income.

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Major D

I’m guessing that over 95% of the buyers of the silver proof set buy it for the silver Kennedy half. Here’s a novel thought, why not discontinue the silver proof set, and instead produce a 3.5″ x 4.5″ card for the silver half (like RCM does with the polar bear). Hell, you could even include the silver dime with it. And charge no more than $50. Most buyers are breaking the half dollar out of the set anyways, so the packaging doesn’t really matter. And the clad proof cent, nickel and dollar are available in the clad proof set, and… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Major D,

I must say the rather unexpected upside of this whole crazy pricing hullabaloo is the appearance of such wonderfully creative ideas that are permeating the website.

Major D

Kaiser, no room for creativity. I just found my answer in the Mint’s annual report: Most of the Mint’s recurring products- such as the Uncirculated set, Proof sets, and Silver Proof sets- are required by Federal statue.

Kaiser Wilhelm

No need to sell yourself short, Major D. The mere fact that you discovered and subsequently developed your proposition from material in the Mint’s annual report demonstrates dogged initiative and effort aplenty.

CaliSkier

For those, eagerly awaiting the 2024 “Flowing Hair” Silver medal, expect to pay $104 at the minimum. For a 1oz Ag medal, wow! Ouch! Additionally, the original issue price in 2018, when the US Mint began the “Presidential Ag Medal” series was just $39.95. I feel bad for any that had decided to try and collect this series. Those medals are now going to be $90 a pop, with another price increase by or before the 2026 Circus issues! Those US Mint “other expenses”(wink, wink) will continue to “Jack Up” prices at the US Mint. Even though, technology says, that… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

“Modern Times” – Charlie Chaplin – 1936

The factory of the future!

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Major D

Here’s where the commemorative coins horse race stands as of the June 30 sales report: $5 Gold Proof Commemorative:   5,276: 2024 Harriet Tubman   5,357: 2022 Negro League Baseball   5,461: 2024 Greatest Generation   5,864: 2021 National Law Enforcement   7,675: 2022 National Purple Heart   $5 Gold Uncirculated Commemorative: 1,097: 2024 Greatest Generation 1,124: 2024 Harriet Tubman 1,507: 2022 Negro Leagues Baseball 1,677: 2022 National Purple Heart 1,753: 2021 National Law Enforcement $1 Silver Proof Commemorative: 19,687: 2022 Negro League Baseball Privy 22,276: 2024 Harriet Tubman 24,874: 2022 National Purple Heart Colorized 25,735: 2020 Basketball HOF Colorized… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

By “race” I assume here you mean “race to the rear” since the numbers are declining.

Major D

Yes, a reverse race (for lowest mintage) where last place is first place)

Kaiser Wilhelm

Appreciate the clarification/verification, Major D!

VinnieC

Thanks Major D

CaliSkier

An excellent assessment on graded moderns and breakdown post or reply, to an inquiring new collector over on NGC(blog) by “Coinbuf”. Original topic/question by Rindukumu: I’m new. If I buy proof coins from the U.S. mint, should I get them graded?” (Coinbuf): “Hmmm where to start, welcome to the forum.   There is no requirement to have coins graded and slabbed by a TPG (third party grader) anyone can if they choose to but it is an expensive process with no guaranties as to what grades you might receive.  From your post is seems that you are concentrating on modern and… Read more »

chuck

CaliSkier, Major D, Craig

Hi ho silver? How high will you go? Will the mint raise silver coin prices yet again this year?
At least you can still buy some of the 5 oz ATB from the “big boys” for less than $300. So. maybe they should run the mint?
Perhaps, time to “stack” copper cents?
Stay happy.

East Coast Guru

At the coin show in Long Beach earlier this year, one dealer was almost begging me to buy her burnished mint pucks. They were all about $220 each except Hawaii. About 30 yards away was the mint’s booth and they were charging about $100 more for the same. Easy pass that day.

chuck

East Coast Guru,
As Floyd stated the gouging appears to be by the mint and not the “big boys”. Your above experience shows that too

Kaiser Wilhelm

Another check mark for the side that asserts bureaucrats are merciless.

Major D

chuck, I’d bet No for another silver increase- but Yes on a clad product increase this year.

chuck

Major D
Not into the clads so that will affect others.

c_q

to distill that chart into 1 number per year by multiplying surcharge per set times number of units to get a ‘total product sold surcharge over melt’ 2024: $12.6m (still available) 2023: $18.4m (still available) 2022: $18.4m 2021: $24.7m 2020: $12.6m 2019: $13.4m 2018: $9.2m 2017: $8.7m 2016: $11.2m 2015: $11.9m 2014: $12.0m 2013: $15.2m 2012: $12.4m 2011: $18.5m 2010: $18.4m 2009: $22.9m 2008: $21.3m these numbers are not inflation-adjusted with that you can see the mint’s quandary – they were making pretty a good profit early on even with a lower premium, because they sold so many units. but… Read more »

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Major D

Capt, er Major Obvious here. Ditto on “I’m not completely sure how the mint works” but suffice to say that silver spot isn’t the main culprit. The silver cost accounts for about only one-third of the direct costs for the silver numismatic coins- so it’s not driving this train. It’s got to be the increase in the other two-thirds of direct cost, declining sales/revenue, and the silver and gold numismatics needing to prop up non-performing numismatic programs. The other shoe I’m waiting to see drop is an increase in annual sets and other clad products.

c_q

yeah, actually was trying to pull silver spot out of it – the ‘surcharge’ is thus exclusive of silver cost so it’s not a factor. basically my point was to more clearly show that when the mint sold 700k of these, they could tolerate a smaller surcharge per unit to prop up the money-losing bits of the mint (pennies, nickels). but as demand dwindled, they resorted to increasing the surcharge to help keep the total amount of money more or less constant, since presumably running the mints costs roughly the same each year regardless of how many coins are made… Read more »

Major D

c_q, the Mint treats its numismatics different from bullion and circulating. Check out the attached numismatic table (from the FY23 report, which is from Oct 1, 2022 to Sep 30,2023). I highlighted the silver coin products, which did well with $44.3 million in net income and 25.5% net margin. However, the total overall for numismatic products had a 17.2% net margin. The silver products (along with gold and other PM) helped prop up underperforming programs like the Annual Core sets (* = silver proof sets, proof sets and uncirculated sets) which lost $7.2 million with a minus 20.4% net margin. You… Read more »

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Major D

Not to mention the Misc which must be all of the other numismatic programs not listed (lost $6.4 million), the quarter products (lost $1.2 million) and the commemoratives (lost $0.8 million). Since there were no commemoratives issued in calendar year 2023, they were 2022s that sold from Oct 1 to Dec 30, 2022. Otherwise, if 2023 had commemoratives I’m sure this would have been a much bigger loss,

Kia99

Thanks for sharing those pages Major D. I find them particularly insightful for understanding how remunerative different mint programs are. If the returns from commemoratives are so poor, I project that the organizations that are to benefit from the profits of the coin sales are not receiving anything.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Since I trust that you are spot on in your analysis, Kia99, one may as such be inclined to assume that commemoratives are for the most part, at least in regard to their financial contribution component, programs without much if any of a purpose.

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Kia99

The Mint seems to do a lot better with the products it chooses to create than the ones congress mandates it produce, such as pennies nickels and commemoratives.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Truer words have likely never been said on here, Kia99. Sadly, it is precisely anything Congress mandates that inevitably rules the roost.

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Major D

Here’s the Bullion Coins Revenue, Cost and Net Income by Program (FY23). The only dogs here were the ATB 5-oz and the Amer Eagle Plat.

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Major D

Lastly, here’s the Shipments, Costs and Seigniorage by Denominations (FY23). The quarter-dollar (and to a much lesser extent, the dime and half dollar) is the savior of the cent, nickel and mutilated which lost big money.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

That is a yeoman output there, Major D! Kudos and many thanks!

Rick

A Restoration story 1.0, The 1976-S Bicentennial dual date reverse, a one year Type coin. Between NGC, and PCGS there are just 10 of these coins in MS69 and I feel very lucky to have one of them. Out of millions of coins struck, I would guess that this one may be considered a condition rarity. Or at least a condition scarcity… Rick) ” Before ever bidding, and if I won, the coin was going to get restored & re-holdered. Restored for the spots, re-holdered for the slab scratches. That was a given from the get-go.” E1) “I’ve seen that… Read more »

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Rick,

Ready for Part 2.0.

Definitely looking forward to this one.

Rick

Here’s the (after) photo from PCGS. It’s very hi-rez and opens on a separate page? You can click anywhere on the photo to zoom in. Repat to zoom out & in and around the coin to study. The most contact marks are on the clock tower and they’re small(fun to zoom it). The rest of the coin doesn’t have much going on in the ‘ding’ department and I’m happy about that. This was key I believe for the higher grade–minimal dings… I won’t have the coin until tuesday, and looking forward to seeing it in hand and in a fresh… Read more »

Rick

Click on “View on Coinfacts” on the page below. Then click “View More Images” below my coin. You can scroll through the images(arrow on right & left).
It’s interesting to see the variety of other coins in comparison and to view the varying differences. A couple of MS68 coins are so close, with minimal spots too. Other coins not as much. You can really see a difference in quality as you get into the MS67’s…Thanks for looking..
https://www.pcgs.com/cert/49877737

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Rick, Great specimen of a coin. That tiny spot may not be very visible to the naked eye. The strike and the centering are top shelf though. Superb surfaces too. I’m sure it looks phenomenal in hand. When I bought my MS-68 there were no MS-69s. However, today, I seriously doubt there will ever be any 70’s. The $20k price tag may be an impetus for others to try. However, I think the grades have pretty much settled in during the last 48 years. Definitely an outer limits coin. Where were you in 1976? Thanks for sharing that incredible coin… Read more »

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Rick

E1 thanks, I’ve seen that same coin before when researching the -69’s. He bought it for $8700 a year ago(link). He’ll make some money if someone picks it up. https://www.greatcollections.com/Coin/1403889/1976-S-Kennedy-Half-Dollar-Silver-PCGS-MS-69 For whatever reason, that coin doesn’t photograph very well on his listing or GC a year ago. It might look better in different conditions? He’s got a spot issue himself down at 8:00 near the rim. I don’t care for the reverse with the obverse strikethrough rub. You can see the upside down outline of Kennedy on the reverse. The angled/bottom point of his neck is running through the Hall… Read more »

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Rick

Here’s another MS69 up for sale at Heritage. He wants $14,400 or more for it.
It’s a nice enough coin, but when you zoom in on the reverse(click the photo & finger scroll zoom), take a look at the very weak strike on the entire tower. The Clock body is floating. And look at the windows just below the dome–don’t fall out! And how about that pole on top of the dome?

Now head down to the letter ‘H’ in HALF–Big black/brown spot….
I’m satisfied with my coin……..
https://coins.ha.com/itm/kennedy-half-dollars/half-dollars/1976-s-50c-silver-ms69-ngc-pcgs-6728-/a/1348-4605.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515#

Rick

Now, remembering the coin above…
Look at the Killer Tower strike on the reverse of this coin below(MS-69 too)–you get the dental work above the clock–and a “full Watchtower”, dome pole and all.
Amazing seeing the differences in strike detail on the reverses of these coins. We might have to double check our own coins to compare?…
https://www.greatcollections.com/Coin/1336549/1976-S-Kennedy-Half-Dollar-Silver-PCGS-MS-69#gallery-2

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Rick

I just checked my Hall Tower. It looks like a good one? I’m seeing the dental work, enclosed windows, and a full pole?(click the Dome) …
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Sorry everybody, I’ll stop.

Major D

that is one beautiful specimen!

Rick

Thank You!

E 1

Yes, the dental work. Got it. I get it. I see it. Interesting aspect of the strike.

Kaiser Wilhelm

No stopping required when it comes to beautiful coins.

E 1

The depth of strike on those MS-68/69 Silver Bicentennial Kennedy’s is what gets my attention first. The strike just pops out at you and the coin appears entirely different or special as compared to the MS-65/66/67 coins. Something you can only experience in hand and yet it is not very obvious in the photos. I won’t go chasing a 9 though. But, I am very happy with my spotless 8. There is something special about these 40% silver Kennedys in these mega grades. Maybe I should start looking closer at those business strikes from 1965-1969. You do have some eye… Read more »

Rick

E1, Many thanks for the thumbs up’s, and a shout out to you for the inspiring pursuit of this series–many options for strikingly attractive coins! Speaking of strike, a purist might refer to the tooth-like structures on a coin as being denticle/denticles, not dental work lol, I’m not exactly the purist type. Also the varieties experts might call me out for describing the upside down Kennedy portrait outline as a strikethrough rub, when I would guess it’s more accurate to call it a near ‘die-clash’ phenomenon? I think many, many of these coins show that obverse shadow peeking through the… Read more »

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Rick,

She’s a 70+ for sure! Nice dentals and great……….

We may have grown up in the same era.

Cheers

Rick

Exquisite and slightly rounded ‘denticles’…..

E 1

Yes, exquisite they are. Unforgettable too.

AKBob

Great looking coin AND a very good investment. Something I’ve noticed is that very expensive, highest quality, highest graded (or very close to highest grade) coins go up in value a great deal compared to others that take years and years just to go up $10, $25, $50 or even $100. The high graded, low rarities by either mintage or condition, seem to go up by the hundreds and thousands of dollars. Look at the coins going for $100K plus, those go up tens of thousands, some in only a few short years. As an investment, investing in those coins… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Absolutely top level coins are the only ones that come even close to approaching the extravagant price gain percentages that are ordinarily the unique property of the very finest art pieces.

Rick

AKBob, I think you’re onto something there. The rarities, like the ones they highlight in the big auctions are pretty amazing. Most of the time they go up & up, but I’ve seen some examples of multi thousand dollar losses with some of those too. There’s corrections as it moves forward over time–like Gold in a way? Although not a rarity, I think I got lucky with that Kennedy. It may have been market timing, the less than stellar condition it was in, or general interest in the coin at the time?(2 months ago). I also stumbled onto it!. I… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rick,

In your own words “I also stumbled onto it!.” I have found that some of the most auspicious events, discoveries, opportunities and meetings of my entire life occurred and/or presented themselves without any conscious and/or planned participation on my part. A happy accident can on many an occasion trump all else.

REB

L&B gold down 46 coins. People returning the previously returned?

Major D

I see the L&B silver is back on “Remind Me”. I wonder if 33K will be it now.

Major D

The ungraded 2024 silver proof Kennedy half dollar plucked from the set is selling for $80 on up plus postage on eBay right now. I figure if you can sell the silver half for $80 and the silver AWQ for $50 (anything above is gravy), you’ve done paid for your silver proof set right there (at $130, before the price increase) — and you have your proof cent, proof nickel, silver dime and proof NA$ for free, plus a box, lens and coa that you can sell, too.

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DAVESWFL

Don’t forget the seller’s expenses – including gasoline toget to the USPS, your time, and eBay (or whomever). Let’s get excited – might just break even!
Me – I will wait for aftermarket prices to drop… and they will

Tony@GA

I’m in the same camp as you Dave

Major D

DAVESWFL, yes, my bad for leaving out the eBay seller fee. So, you’d need to instead sell the silver half + 5 silver quarters for $150 ($85 + $65) to have the other coins free, assuming you have free shipping buying the $130 set from the Mint before July 9. Perhaps not too far-fetched after July 9 when the AWQ silver set goes to $95 and the silver proof set goes to $150, we’ll see. My point is that you could end up with free coins. Yes, by all means wait for the aftermarket prices to come down to buy… Read more »

Rick

Selling on eBay–Observations & opinions; 1) Time & fuel–%? 2) Packaging–%? 3) Electricity, AC, Internet, Paper & ink–%? 4) eBay fees; 4a) Insertion fees 4b) Optional listing upgrade fees 4c) Final value fees 4d) Ad & Promotional fees. 4f) Shipping labels Based on my recent sales eBay charged me (17.2%) of total sales. Not to mention my eagerly anticipated 1099 in the mail later on.✓ The only way that I make a profit is; 1) If something was a steal of a deal when purchased, past or present. 2) If something has appreciated in value quickly. e.g., a popular/hot/hard to… Read more »

Major D

Thanks for the detail, Rick. For a very small low volume seller like me it’s 13.25% and only 4) really applies. All the others are pretty negligible. I do agree with your comment about eBay sellers. I experience a bad apple every now and then, but 99% of the time I’d say all are very professional and provide exactly what is described. And they take customer satisfaction and feedback very seriously.

Kaiser Wilhelm

DAVESWFL,
Aren’t lower aftermarket prices a counter-productive move for those who hope and wait for the value of their purchases to exceed their original prices?

AKBob

Here’s one for you ALL. I placed a bid on an OGP for a coin on Ebay. I placed the bid but it wasn’t enough so I placed three more bids and it was still not enough and I wasn’t going to bid any higher for it. So I started looking for more and I found a Seller that had them for a “Buy It Now” price which was very fair and there was even a discount if you purchased more than one. I purchased four of them and they have already been shipped to me. This was about three… Read more »

Major D

AKBob, I’m very sorry to hear of your loss. A loss of a child is truly something that can never be overcome. I hope you can take some comfort in the good memories. The other stuff is just noise, as frustrating as they are to deal with- and I’ve had a few issues buying from eBay as well. $3.95 is just a good coffee where I’m at.

AKBob

Thank you!

Rich

AK Bob, your comment on life immediately made me think of blind faith and the song Can’t Find My Way Home

AKBob

It’s been extremely difficult. I used to love stress and pressure, it was my food. I loved challenges and doing exciting things. Now, I’m a KISS person (Keep it Simple & Stupid. Slow paced simple life is what I enjoy now. “Can’t Find My Way Home”, good analogy!! Thx ALL!!

Kaiser Wilhelm

AKBob,

I can 100% relate to Slow paced simple life is what I enjoy now.” In a nutshell.

AKBob

Kaiser Wilhelm, thx!

Kaiser Wilhelm

My honor and pleasure entirely, AKBob.

Craig

You’re a good man AKBob. Very sorry to hear about your son’s passing. You never get over something like that even after decades of time. Don’t let eBay get under your skin, especially for $4. If it were me, I’d just tell eBay to go screw themselves (I’m trying to be urbane). Now go make yourself a strong martini, shaken not stirred, and gaze at those magnificent mountains around your house!

AKBob

Thank you! I would normally have just ate it. Like $3.95 is much, I just couldn’t swallow it this time for some reason. It just kinda hit me wrong. I would have usually not cared or worried about it, my wife and I “help” out a lot of folks in need! I can’t even tell you how many thousands of dollars we’ve just gave away to friends, family and strangers. If we hear someone is in need, we are always first in line to help, usually financially. We live very simple, we have everything we need and most of our… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

AKBob,

I was rocked back on my heels by your comment about having lost your son thirty-five years ago; my heart absolutely goes out to you, my friend. That is the kind of irreplaceable loss that every parent worries about forever, that something so very tragic should ever happen to their children (or grandchildren for that matter). I hope that whatever measure of peace you have been able to find in the ensuing years will stay with you and be able to provide you with at least some degree of comfort.

VinnieC

Sorry for your loss AKBob

AKBob

Kaiser Wilhelm & VinnieC, thank you both very, very much!❤️

Kaiser Wilhelm

AKBob,

It is I who owe you for sharing such a deeply heartfelt and extremely moving story and as such I offer you my deepest gratitude for that.

E 1

I see the ads are improving – nice!

Sexy Lingerie | Livy (li-vy.com)

Cheers

Rick

Much improved, I think they listened to you.
The toilet, and the gas cloud was in pretty bad taste, and questionable marketing style, but what do I know?

Kaiser Wilhelm

E 1,

One glance and those delightfully pulchritudinous depictions can be spontaneously aligned with the whimsical “Oh to be young again!” imaginings of old men’s dreams.

Rick

E1,
There’s a couple of decent prospects in the mid grades below.
But for a 66 and up, you’ll need the reach a bit deeper into the change jar…

https://www.greatcollections.com/search.php?q=1942-S+Walking+Liberty+Half+Dollar&mode=product&sort=01&listing_type=&budget=&bidrange=&series=0&searchid=65026

Rick
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Rick,

Yes, that one is about my speed. But, I prefer, scratched older holders, raunchy toning, lots of PVC, and under graded material. Don’t ask why. You already know.

Cheers

E 1

You know, that 42-S is not bad. I need one of those. Maybe.

E 1

Rick,

In the Box. Done deal. Way under graded. Notice the thumb. My primary criteria. NGC was overly strict on Walkers when this coin was graded. Strike is everything with the S mint Walkers.

Cheers.

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Rick

E1, I found it for a better view. That’s a superb coin. The thumb, the whole hand is high relief like. Everything that is supposed to be sharp and detailed–they are. I don’t mind the toning, it’s mild and forgiving, but I know it won’t survive your restoration for its new home. I’m not a grader, but your right, you found a sleeper upgrade. You’re also right about those old fatty NGC slabs–sometimes they hold a secret for the discerning eye to discover. It probably would earn the CAC Gold sticker if sent in? I’m almost exited as you must… Read more »

E 1

Rick,

Thanks for the motivation and your critique on that coin. Delivery is a week out. I will keep you posted for sure.

Thanks Bro

E 1

Rick,

The next time you’re in SJ, Scott’s in DT. If not, no worries. All good.

Cheers Bro

Rick

Done Deal…..

E 1

Cool.

E 1

Rick,

I received the 42-S today. I will not be dipping this coin. It looks to good and its a bit chrome like. Like you said, those small scratches are on the holder. Straight to the album it goes.

Cheers

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A shout out to Cucamonga – Thank You!

Cheers

Rick

Here’s a good one for the First-this, Advance-that, Early blah, blah crowd…

May I proudly introduce to you gentlemen…”First Delivery”!!!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/145855984909?_trkparms

What will they come up with next next?..”FedEx Overnight Limited Edition” in MS-70!!, etc….

Major D

So, if I have this straight CAC accepts coins graded by other companies, then does its own sticker verification? WTH? So, it’s not even enough to accept NGC’s or PCGS’s grade, but now you need a grader of the grader? Where’s the company that grade’s CAC’s sticker coins?

Rick

CAC does both, They’re fairly new to grading coins*(slab wise). They are steadily catching on within the numismatic industry and collectors alike. They are now direct competitors to NGC and PCGS with competitive pricing to boot. Some dealers and collectors are having a tough time with them because they are considered tough. Those labels that you see above are CACG labels through the bulk/specialty program for the bulk submitters for CACG(G=Grading)–just like what we’ve been discussing with the other TPG’s That is no sticker on their own labels(above)–that’s their signature logo ‘printed’ on the label and their going to stick… Read more »

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Major D

Ok, thanks for the edification!

Rick

So in other words, CAC Slab Grading is getting in on the First this, Advanced that Circus Show. By CAC Grading putting “First Delivery” on their labels(First Strike equivalent?), they just joined the joke label crowd in an already overcrowded field.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Fellow coin collectors, We seem to have arrived at a point in numismatic history in which the results of third party grading are in fact now subject to further review and as such to what amounts to secondary certification by yet another third (fourth?) party grader. Therefore it would appear the existence of this entire more extended process entitles each and every one of us to register a choice as to precisely how we relate to this clearly more audacious yet obviously unavoidable reality. Are we now feeling: a) eager b) energized c) elevated d) exasperated e) enervated f) eliminated… Read more »

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Rick,

May I offer the option of a Quantum Superpositioned PF/MS-70/70 for those who’ve long harbored the wish to view their most precious coins in more than one reality?

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Rick

How about just 3 labels “capped off” for each TPG…
1) A first whatever label.
2) A standard label, no frills.
3) A rotating special event label. e.g., “End of WW2”, etc. etc…

Everything else my Cosmic friend, quite frankly–can go visit a Black Hole…

And yes, you can indeed get a literal “First Struck” Coin from the Mint..Have your NGC Bulk Rep make an expensive appointment with the Mint, or pay for Documentation–And Voila! Coin #1, 2, 3…..
https://www.ngccoin.com/coin-grading/designations/

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Rick,

I might suggest eliminating Label #1 while allowing #2 and #3 suffice. Those “first”/”last” specials can take a forever ride of the event horizon.

Victor

I’m new to collecting, but I’m officially done with buying from US Mint. Going to bargain on eBay for as close to spot price as possible. US Greed can sell their coins to elderly collectors.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Victor,

Since every cent the US Mint earns in profit goes by law to the US Treasury I believe it might be more appropriate to call the Mint a Striving Bureaucracy.