CCAC to Review Designs for Biden Presidential Medal

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CCAC logoThe Citizens Coinage Advisory Committee (CCAC) will hold a public meeting via teleconference on Monday, May 20, to review and discuss candidate designs for the Joseph R. Biden Presidential Medal and to swear in newly appointed members.

The CCAC is tasked with advising the Secretary of the Treasury on themes and designs pertaining to all United States coins and medals.

Presidential medals have a rich history dating back to the nation’s founding and were frequently awarded as "Peace Medals" to Native Americans. More recently, the U.S. Mint has produced bronze Presidential Medals for sale to the public. Beginning in 2018, the U.S. Mint also started producing and selling 1-ounce, .999 fine Presidential Silver Medals, with the most recent one featuring James A. Garfield, released on April 30.

Along with the medal design reviews, two new CCAC members will take their oaths of office: Sam Gelberd, specially qualified in numismatics, and Jeanne Stevens-Sollman, specially qualified in medallic arts and sculpture.

CCAC Meeting Time and Public Viewing Options

The short meeting will commence on the 20th, from 2:00 p.m. to 3:00 p.m. (ET). Interested members may watch the meeting via live stream on the U.S. Mint’s YouTube Channel at:

https://www.youtube.com/​user/​usmint.

To view the live broadcast of the meeting, simply click on the "May 20, 2024" icon under them Live Tab.

For those in the public who wish to watch online, please note that remote access is solely for observation purposes. Any member of the public interested in submitting matters for the CCAC’s consideration is invited to do so by emailing info@ccac.gov.

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CaliSkier

Not that interested in “Sleepy Joe’s” bronze medal… I’m wondering why Coin News didn’t cover or have an article re: “CCAC Meeting Images for the Emmett Till and Mamie Till-Mobley Congressional Gold Medal April 16-17, 2024” Hmmm… ponder. I probably missed it? Here is a U.S. Mint link(below) to the images that were reviewed by the CCAC. I still wouldn’t buy any bronze medals at the price the Mint charges, however this event, person, mom, “deserve” recognition(more than that, obviously), to say the least IMO. Probably wasn’t covered here, due to the fact that the subject is not only horrific,… Read more »

Rick

Why stop there Cali?
The other 2 Medals in the recent meeting(s) were none other than Janet Yellen, and Ventris Gibson. Just two of the many Top-Tier Qualified Appointees Joe has blessed us with during his Illustrious tenure!

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Major D

Right, how dare Biden appoint non-criminals and non-fraudsters.

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Rick

Fair enough bud…
What comes around goes around..All good!

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Rick and Major D,

I can only speak for myself, but let me tell you gents that it is such a relief, a joy and a blessing to witness this era of peace on our wonderful coin site. Thanks to you and everyone else for showing such wisdom, discretion and restraint here at CoinNews.net!

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Rick

Ditto Kaiser, you are the neutral, wise voice of reason here, with a twist of goodwill to all. I’m glad that you are here!

REB

Hear! Hear!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rick and REB,
Your kindness and generosity are truly appreciated; thank you so very much! I believe that since as far as I can tell we all seem to look at this site as an ideal meeting place for us coin lovers, it is extremely rewarding to observe an ongoing spirit of conviviality serving as the background for our wide array of coin topics.

Kaiser Wilhelm

CaliSkier,

I have to say it’s admirably thoughtful and inspiringly conscientious of you to bring the Emmet Till and Mamie Till-Mobley Congressional Gold Medal design process to our attention here. Sometimes it’s all too easy to lose sight of that which is unusually important due to the overarching presence of the ordinarily pervasive. Many thanks!

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Major D

You could have just said you’re not interested in the bronze. Why make a mocking jab?

CaliSkier

Now I see why you felt a need to say something Major D. I’ll admit, I was ignorant to how Joe even got that nickname. I guess Don the Con, “coined” the sleepy moniker. I wasn’t trying to be political, I’m just not a fan at all of Joe, most anything he’s done or is/was involved in not to mention US Mint Brass medals. Too be perfectly honest, I have equal or greater disdain for either he, his VP, or his predecessor, which I shall not name. Hence the mocking. In closing neither is the Man for what our country… Read more »

Major D

Thanks for the explanation, CaliSkier. It’s fine by me if you want to knock both, as long as there’s equal bashing. No, I won’t be buying the bronze medal. But perhaps a silver version if there ever is one in a 2-piece commemorative set sometime (like was done with Jackie Robinson in the 2022 NLB proof coin + medal set).

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Major D and CaliSkier,

At the risk of repeating myself, it’s awesome that we now handle our differences of opinion here with grace rather than conflict. Cheers to all!

CaliSkier

Precious metals are “HOT” right now! 78.84:1 silver to gold! Been a while since we were in that ratio aspect. Gold, $2,408.59, Silver $30.58.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

CaliSkier,

It wasn’t all that long ago I was speculating on here as to when silver might finally be able to establish a price base above even $25 an ounce, and now look at it!

Major D

$30 per oz seemed to be a magical threshold that it couldn’t surpass. But now that it’s shattered hopefully the climb will continue for a while (at $31.44 right now per Coinflation) and not take a slide back down.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Major D,

That’s what I’m hoping, that silver can sustain its gains and not experience a drop right back into less favorable silver to gold ratio.

Kaiser Wilhelm

And here we are early Monday morning EST and silver is at $32.52 and by all appearances not hitting any obstacle in its continuing rise.

Kaiser Wilhelm

I guess I forgot to say “knock on wood.” Oh well.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Those big red “Going Down” delta symbols are still holding unanimous sway on the precious metals pricing list. Yikes!

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Kaiser Wilhelm

If there’s one thing we can count on as far as precious metal spot prices this week it’s the surprising recoveries every time we might think they’re on their way down again. Hallelujah!

Kaiser Wilhelm

The precious metals, one and all, seem to be doing a confusing yo-yo thing at the moment. I don’t think we’re supposed to have any idea of how this stuff is going to shake out.

chuck

CaliSkier,

See Kaiser and Major D wants silver to hold (or go up). I hope it waits until after we get the Morgan’s and Peace ones this year.
There has been about 8 times more ag mined than au and supposedly the remaining reserves are about the same ratio. Thus, perhaps, ag should be over $300 an oz today.
Wonder how much the mint will increase prices? Being a potential buyer not a seller, it is alright for ag to wait awhile to get to it’s ” fair value”.

Major D

chuck, I’m in no rush so fine by me if it holds for a while. I see the uncirculated Morgan and Peace coins have a July 11 release date and price of $76 on them (same as 2023) but no mention of any mintage + product limits yet. That price should hold. Meanwhile, the 2024 proofs (Fall release, no date or pricing yet) each show a mintage + product limit of 300,000 (down from 400,000 in 2023). I was hoping the Mint would cut limits much more than that. Unfortunately, the reverse set going in the other direction showing a… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Major D and chuck,
Quite honestly, I am always of two minds as to whether I want silver to go up or down in value, since the former is great for my existing collection while the latter is better in regard to my coin purchases. The one thing I know for sure is that no matter how much I wish it would be to my advantage whichever direction silver goes in, that is not ever going to happen.

CaliSkier

Hmmm… Perhaps someone in our coin community can explain to me(?) why this isn’t a REALLY BIG problem and can also explain why this doesn’t appear to bother the President or Congress? “In the first seven months of fiscal year 2024, which began in October, spending on net interest surged to $514 billion, surpassing spending on both national defense ($498 billion) and Medicare ($465 billion). In fact, interest costs have topped spending on veterans, education and transportation combined.”

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Major D

Great, that’s just what we need now. Thanks (sarcasm here) for opening up that can of worms. Let the manifestos and screeds begin.

REB

I know the article was about the design of a Joe Biden medal. But, why grown-ass, supposedly intelligent men can’t resist the temptation to air their MAGA grievances is beyond me. If a medal involved presidents I despised, I think I’d have the willpower to contain myself on a COIN collecting comments section. I’m not sure momma ever taught two truths to some here: 1) don’t discuss politics and religion in polite society and 2) if you have nothing good to say, say nothing at all. I fear Kaiser may have come back prematurely. We appear to be slipping into… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

REB, Major D and CaliSkier, In the interests of full disclosure, I will be the first to admit that in my my previous participation here I was as guilty as the next guy of being a contributor to the political mayhem that had at that time effectively taken over the commentary on this site. I am now resolved to never again become a participant in that sort of completely out of place political conflict, and it’s clear to me that you all feel the same way. Let’s not again allow ourselves to be tempted to fall prey to the promptings… Read more »

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REB

Wise words, Sir Kaiser.

Darek

Good boy. You really deserve something nice at the end of the day. From arsonist to fireman in less than half of the day. WOW
Lol

Kaiser Wilhelm

Thank you, REB; it’s very nice of you to say that.

Kaiser Wilhelm

CaliSkier, First off, I have to admit not having an answer as such to your very pertinent question. However, in this instance there might just be a bit of a problem of the pot calling the kettle black in that individual Americans themselves as private citizens ended up paying a total of 120 billion dollars of interest on their cumulative credit card debt last year. I don’t want that fact to be taken as in any way saying that this lets the national powers that be off the hook for their own extravagantly profligate habits, but it does appear radical… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

The above comment of mine is a perfect illustration of how very easy it is to slide down a slippery slope and I aim to show enough awareness to avoid a repeat.

Darek

How much we pay to support millions of illegals who are destroying our communities? Paying billions for food, shelter, health care, education, etc. for people who shouldn’t be here in the first place. Veterans are on the streets and illegals in the hotels laughing at us. Germany did something similar and now they have a problem with them and want to start deportation proceedings, but I think it’s already to late for them.

Major D

Watch out for all those caravans, Darek. I’m sure they’re heading for your driveway right about now.

Darek

I am from NYC and unfortunately I see all of these every day first hand.

Major D

In that case, you can thank the governors of Texas and Florida for trucking and flying them in– and the House of Representatives for tanking any border legislation.

REB

Like.

Darek

This is only because of Biden open border policies and NYC sanctuary city status. They are heading to NYC even without Governors of Texas and Florida “help”. Border should be closed and all illegals deported!

MarkInFlorida

Like.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Gentlemen, gentlemen, gentlemen! This is CoinNews.net and not PoliticalArguments.fight, so why not honor the intent.

REB

Like.

Darek

Good boy. Lol

Darek

How come that you didn’t put muzzle on your “puppy” REM? He is the one insulting people here. Since your arrival today, he started to be good boy. I think he should get some price for his latest behavior. Lol

Kaiser Wilhelm

Darek,
No puppies here. Precious metals, proof coins and puzzling questions about either or both and many other subjects, but no puppies with or without muzzles.

REB

Billions? I don’t think so. This is such a silly post. Time to quit watching FOX.

CaliSkier

Cost of illegal immigration. Surely there is other data saying otherwise, however this report says “billions.” Excerpts and link below. “Cost of Illegal Immigration to Taxpayers Prepared Testimony of Steven A. Camarota Director of Research Center for Immigration Studies” For “Immigration Integrity, Security, and Enforcement Subcommittee of the House Judiciary Committee Hearing entitled “The Impact of Illegal Immigration on Social Services, Thursday, January 11, 2024” “Based on their use rate of major welfare programs, we estimate that illegal immigrants receive $42 billion in benefits, or about 4 percent of the total cost of the cash, Medicaid, food and housing programs… Read more »

REB

Give them green cards to work and make them LEGAL. The illegal immigrants I’ve met have been much harder workers than many of our lazy American citizens. Maybe we should ship some of our good-for-nothing trailer trash south of the border. They seem to be a FAR bigger “fiscal drain” than folks who actually want to work.

Darek

Lol. Give them green cards? Lol
Giving them green cards will only make them available for another FREE program which is paid by the taxpayers. This is why they are coming here. More free stuff than more of them on the way North. In NYC you can get ticket if you feed birds during winter, and City officials will explain to you that feeding is bad because birds will not survive on their own if you stop feeding them one day. Same should be with illegals. Cut all free incentives and they will not come here.

REB

LOL. Sounds like you’re talking about your lazy opiod-loving, methhead losers in this country. How about we ship them all out and stop feeding them “free incentives”? Like I said before, get off the Fox before it completely ravages your mind.

Darek

Instead of spending money on illegals, money should be spent to help people you call “methhead losers”.Some of them are veterans. Free incentives is always gift from Democrats. They are the best with spending someone else’s money like on the crack pipe packages(California?).

REB

Vet or not, I’d rather spend money to lift up people who want to work and contribute. Your MAGA screeds are getting old. How about a novel idea – let’s talk about COINS on a coin-collecting site.

Darek

You would never lift up anyone by paying not to work, and this is what Democrats are doing. I don’t watch Fox or any other network. I don’t need anyone’s opinion about certain topics and if I you think that I am part of MAGA “cult” then you don’t know what is going on around. You probably live somewhere in the woods.

REB

And this nonsense has something to do with COINS? I know it’s tough for you but focus … C.O.I.N.S. Thanks in advance.

Darek

This is not nonsense. Instead of spending billions on illegals, every citizen could have at least one proof ASE every year from the government. I see that you are the one who wants to have a last word, but you are not going to silence me. Your next step will be calling the names. Same pattern as the one they are using at college campuses I see in NYC.

REB

Earth to Darek. Coins, not propaganda, please. Thank you in advance.

Kaiser Wilhelm

REB,

I second that emotion. Big Brother…no. Big Bullion…yes. Enough said.

REB

I third that emotion. Wait … can I third my original emotion?

Darek

Arsonist is trying to extinguish fire. Lol. Typical Democrat. I think you don’t understand meaning of the word propaganda.

Kaiser Wilhelm

In plain English, this is a coin site for coin collectors to talk about coins and anything and everything that has to do with coins.

Craig

Kaiser, I’ve been wondering how long the ‘peace’ was going to last, considering how divided this country has become in the last couple decades. I only wish the mint would offer something worth buying as I’m still waiting for the Morgans/Peace dollars to become available in July.

Rick

Craig, I don’t want to put a damper on the Mints’ Morgan/Peace offerings, as I have a RP set from ’23 myself.
But if you take a look at Major D’s ‘At Risk’ Mint chart below, which is quite revealing(thanks MD), you will find that the Morgan/Peace offerings are in the “Rip You Off” section of the chart. It’s getting pretty lame. The Commem. Silver, and the Mint Sets are just plain over the top ridiculous.
It’s no wonder that Cali opted out on the Silver PF sets…

Craig

Rick, I know the Morgan/Peace dollars are in the realm of ‘rip you off’ in reference to pricing, but what do they have in their line-up that isn’t overpriced? I’ve paused my purchases of the mints silver sets and ASE’s for the last couple years due to their ridiculous premium (tax) fees. I don’t know how long they’ll be pressing the M/P dollars, so I’ll buy at least one of each per year.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Craig,
Regarding your statement that you’re no longer buying the Silver Proof Sets and ASE’s, I happen to have made that very same decision, at least for the moment. However, that which is now in place remains subject to change if circumstances warrant.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Craig,
Actually this site seems to be in pretty good shape at the moment. Perhaps we should make a sincere effort to avoid repeating the #1 mistake of the past; let’s not allow one or two unusually disruptive individuals to hijack these proceedings.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Craig,
Whether in the real world or here in the speculative, the idea of peace ever being able to last might be a bit too optimistic.

Craig

REB, I’m going to stay out of this, but if you add up the total of just the major city centres, they are easily spending billions for food, housing, phones, medical care, and education of the illegals. Just how far do you think a billion dollars goes these days?

REB

I’m going to stay out of this as well because this is a numismatic comments page, NOT a political comments page.

Darek

Now, you could use what is call “propaganda” unless you don’t know how to back it up. Lol

REB

Time to raise revenue … cough … taxes. I could live quite well with the repeal of the Trump billionaire tax cuts.

c_q

what does that have to do with coins? maybe go find the ‘federal budget news’ website for that.

this site, last I checked, is for coins. so unless the mint is going to start making trillion-dollar coins to pay down the debt or something, not much relevance.

REB

Amen.

Darek

Today I received 2 Liberty Britannia medals and on the COA’s there are no errors. Both are described as medals. My Liberty Britannia gold coin was shipped today and what I found interesting is that medals were shipped by 2 day priority with signature and gold coin was shipped by USPS First Class mail with signature. I don’t understand why was not the other way around.

Tony@GA

Hi Darek

On the COA’s for the metals – is the info listed under “coin details”? (Which is an error imho “if” there at all)

Darek

I just double checked the COA’s and on the front of the booklet it says “2024 silver medal”, however when I opened the booklet I found out that inside on the left side there is “coin description” on the top, and on the right side there is “coin specification“ on the top. I guess I didn’t pay enough attention before.

Tony@GA

You are good brother – normally wouldn’t pay it any mind but it’s really common lately. Glad you got them!

Finally a purchase that will pay! Congrats!!

Rick

You too congrats! They should sell this way a little more often(I bet they will w/Flowing Hair).
An order window, and Mint them to demand. You need to nervously wait for the coins to be Minted, but all is good in the end(hopefully).

REB

Agree. I like the mint to demand model.

Rick

Did you get your L&B Gold yet? I’d like your opinion on how it looks? Curious I am!

REB

It’s supposed to come today. As I recall, I wasn’t a staunch advocate of the design. But, I usually like the actual coin much better than drawings or photos. We’ll see with this one.

REB

… still haven’t gotten the coin. According to tracking, it’s close. Maybe the Pony Express will be deployed for the last leg of the delivery.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Or they can hand it to whoever’s carrying the Olympic torch and that person can drop your package off as they run by your door.

REB

Lol.

Kaiser Wilhelm

By the way, REB, you might want to keep a water bottle handy. 🙂

Rick

Same exact scenario here. The Gold just shipped tonight First class. Tomorrow the 2 Silvers show up Priority lol.
Why don’t they ship them together? Oh yeah it’s the USM cutting costs..Build Back Better lol.

Darek

I think it is because warehouse hierarchy. Person who handles silver items doesn’t have clearance to touch gold coins. Same is probably for entry level workers who have access only to quarters/halves. Over there is little different than in open Biden’s Corvette garage. Lol

REB

“Over there is little different than in open Biden’s Corvette garage. Lol”

Not funny. More political garbage. Please keep on the topic of coins. Thanks.

Major D

Darek, Rick et al, I can easily do Trump jab rebuttals to everything you post non-stop. Been there, done that. I assure you it will get ugly real quick. Is that what we all want to do here instead of coin talk?

REB

I vote for coin talk.

Darek

You can do it. Let’s have some fun.

REB

Let’s not. Coins, not politics. I can get politics talk everywhere. Coins? Not so much.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Talk politics here…nobody cares and upsets everybody.
Talk coins here…everybody cares and upsets nobody.

REB

Agree.

Darek

Good boy. Lol

Kaiser Wilhelm

Sigh.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Hmmm…I’ve never heard it called that before.

CaliSkier

E1 said a few threads back: “Well, crickets. Time to retire this report.” I feel your pain E1. LOL I was talking about and trying to talk about the 2023 Extra V VDB for 4 months, with Vinnie C and I, more or less the only ones discussing. From May 22,2023, until your 1st MNB post on the topic on September 21, 2023. BTW, thanks for all your population reports and sales updates with the 2023 Extra V cent! You definitely have studied and documented the pops and sales extensively, once you picked up some examples for your collection. Well… Read more »

Rick

So you feel E1’s pain, read my reply, and then come over here to call me a sock puppet. Thanks! Much appreciated!

CaliSkier

Did you notice, the JK? BTW When I read and then posted, in order to bring E1’s data to the forefront, there wasn’t any post or comments, by you or anyone. When he said crickets and time to retire the report, I wanted to make sure to acknowledge and thank him. You have also produced very valuable, detailed data points and posts on the topic as well Rick and I appreciate both of your guys exchanges on these Extra V coins. I’m also happy for AkBob(?) having jumped in on picking these up due to your guys discussions surrounding these… Read more »

Rick

Thank you Cali. Sometimes I get confused as to whether someone is being funny, or Passive Agressive in some way. And I’m guilty as charged of course! It’s all good anyway my friend, I’ve moved on, glad you did too. That Sock Puppet Fool was something else…
Now I’m out!…More coin talk soon!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Then again, it’s not unusual to be humorously passive-aggressive.

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Rick

E1 says, “The 2023 (P) Lincoln Shield “Extra V” certified population has increased by 10.4% in the last 31 days. Most of the recent certified examples have been in the MS62-MS65 range. With the exception of one recently graded NGC MS-69, there has been little to no change in the upper grade range of MS-66 thru MS-68″ Thanks for the report E1. I find the Variety to be a fascinating one given that this was, in my strong opinion(Mike Diamond’s opinion) an intentional event. It is not an error. The MS69RD is a bit of a surprise since there’s been… Read more »

CaliSkier

Wow Rick, thanks for posting that exchange with the owner of the MS69! I was reading comments on a YT channel a few days ago and one of the commenters mentioned he was sending in 3 of the Extra V’s and he thought they’d grade out at MS66. I think some people have them and have been watching and waiting for some reason to grade. At this point, I’d think they would be worth grading regardless if uncirculated and free from any “major” defects or scratches, just to have or own and example with an official pedigree? As you alluded… Read more »

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Rick, The key take away on that MS-69 Extra V, “No Spots.” I have a raw one that I picked up that is spotless. Paid $55 for it from an eBay guy in Upstate NY about 6 months ago. I have it parked in a Dansco for now. Cali, The Extra V Column is all yours if you want it. The population will probably top out around 1K. But, I think the story has pretty much been written – it is a very rare coin. We will know the entire story in about 10 years for sure. I hope to… Read more »

CaliSkier

Some may recall? “The Kentucky Hoard”! “The coins were found in a cornfield in Kentucky sometime before 2023; the exact location was not revealed. The person who found the hoard requested anonymity and sources say that he is a man. Many of the coins were found in the ground with pieces of a cloth bag and one of the coins was damaged from farm equipment.”(Wiki) Jeff Garret and NGC were the astounded and proud handlers of this mysterious stash! Here are a couple(Parts 1 & 2) links to a KET – Kentucky Educational Television on YouTube. Only wish they would… Read more »

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Major D

Darek, Rick et al, I can easily do Trump jab rebuttals to everything you post non-stop. Been there, done that. I assure you it will get ugly real quick. Is that what we all want to do here instead of coin talk?

Major D

It’s called Tit-For-Tat in Game Theory.

Darek

Let’s have some fun, but you have to be very creative, because Pencil Neck from California was playing this game since 2016.

REB

Coins, not politics, Darek. You can do it. I believe in you.

Darek

This article is about Biden/medal. What do you think should be on Space Force medal? I think Chinese spy balloon being destroyed by Space Force would be a good idea. You can believe in anything you want, it’s not my business.

REB

The first three sentences here were a good start. You slipped a little in the last. But cool, talking coins does feel better, doesn’t it?

Kaiser Wilhelm

Ah well, let’s just chalk this up to progress leading to perfection.

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REB

I can’t figure out which version of Kaiser I like more, the avatar or the Mr. Perfect photo.

Darek

Good boy. Lol

Kaiser Wilhelm

REB,
Perhaps it would behoove me to use Mr. Perfect for my avatar. Then again, there’s always my original namesake himself…

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Rick

Whoa!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rick,
The real German Kaiser/Prussian King Wilhelm II throughout his entire life consistently presented an undeniably imposing appearance, and there is a plethora of coinage reflecting that.

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East Coast Guru

Here is a suggestion for Space Force medal. I tried attaching two images and it looks like only one attached. I’ll try again

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East Coast Guru

The other one.

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REB

I like this one. Maybe the other could be on the reverse?

East Coast Guru

Not sure what the Space Force does exactly so that’s why I put the astronaut silhouette with the Earth background. Lots of ideas out there to be discovered.

REB

… to boldly go where no design has gone before?

Kaiser Wilhelm

REB,
You win the “where no imagination has gone before trophy.”

Kaiser Wilhelm

East Coast Guru,
Whether intentional or not, if this isn’t a rather obvious homage to the Star Trek symbol I’ll eat all my NASA mission patches at once.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

P.S.
I was of course referring to the “white Delta symbol over a blue Earth” patch above.

Kaiser Wilhelm

East Coast Guru,
I like the sense of mystery, daring and a touch of scary this conveys.

Rick

Well Darek, you and REB have something in common and I greatly commend you both. Every Gold Proof Spouse Coin, regardless of the Spouses’ Party, or yours. So there you go.
Lots of cool choices for the SF Medal hopefully, I’m sure it will turn out nice. They(Mint/CCAC)need to get with the program with a design, regardless of their Party. So there you go.
No one is going to change the other guy’s beliefs/opinions. So let it go and be civil(which it has been I think). So there you go.

REB

Like (a lot)!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rick,

I absolutely concur with and salute your above posted statement that “No one is going to change the other guy’s beliefs/opinions. So let it go and be civil(which it has been I think).” This is one reason it’s pointless to bring political arguments here. The other, of course, is that this is a coin site.

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Dark,

Troll or Stalker?

Darek

None of the above. I just giving REM medicine he was asking for. He thinks that only his opinion matters and I’m just trying to help him to understand that the stick has two ends or coin has two sides.

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Dark,

Jihadie, commie, ant head, or BLM?

Darek

Keep going lol

E 1

Rebel without a Cause?

Darek

Lol. I know I hurt your feelings little bit at MintNewsBlog when I asked you to stop using F-bombs when you were arguing with someone there.

E 1

Dark,

U Mad Bro?

E 1

Things were nice here until it got darek. I thought we left all the darekness at the MNB?

“the pencil neck from California”

Copy that.

Darek

I know that you are from California, but this reference was NOT about you.

E 1

Think before you publish.

Darek

I lost you here. Pencil neck was not about you. Major D wanted to play game and I asked him to be more creative than one politician who is from California. I see that you can get triggered very quickly and easily. Just relax and be happy.

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Darek

F 1,
No, why?
I never get mad, but you got mad the other day when you were dropping the F-bombs at the guy was pain in the back I must admit.
Just watching replay of the Usyk fight against the Gypsy King.

E 1

I never dropped an F-Bomb. You’re so full of chit spreading your false propaganda. You have me confused with someone else. Put down that bottle!

Darek

You dropped the F-bombs at the guy who started using “cheers” at the end the way you are doing and you got mad when he started to talk to you about I believe your German background. I asked you stop using F-bombs only because we had younger readers there. I know that the guy was pain in the back. You apologize for that and I believe you left the blog for few weeks. Ask Rick or J.Coinage who said at the time that most likely we didn’t have younger readers there.

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Dark,

Why are you still here? I thought we fired you.

Darek

Relax, be happy. You didn’t do anything wrong. The guy deserved F-bomb, but you could do it differently. I am copying your reports about extra V cent.

E 1

Yes, relax and be happy. That is why everyone of us are here. Coins help us relax and they make us happy. Party politics don’t.

REB

Yes!

Kaiser Wilhelm

E 1 and REB,
Politics=pettiness; collecting=curiosity. Why we talk about the latter.

REB

Like.

Kaiser Wilhelm

🙂

c_q

there’s a million other places for trump v biden blah blah out there already, there has to be more to life than just harping on that all day everywhere. let the coin sites and other niche sites just focus on their subjects without political pollution.

Kaiser Wilhelm

c_q,
If ever a big Amen was appropriate, this is it.

REB

Hear! Hear!

East Coast Guru

By the way, the flowing hair gold coin has a household limit of 5. Seems a bit high. I assume total mintage will be very high with limited secondary market appeal. Maybe. Not enough information yet.

REB

Hmm. Drops in Fall 2024. Do we know yet if it will be proof or uncirculated? A household limit of 5 for a low-mintage coin seems like an invitation to bots and flippers. Someone on here mentioned the Mint Director suggesting a “surprise in the Fall” while discussing a conversation about the limited-time L&B sale. Could a similar “available for a limited time, so buy it now” sale be in the works?

Darek

I hope, that we will not see “Sniffing Biden” behind the hair on the obverse. Lol

REB

You can’t help yourself, can you?

Kaiser Wilhelm

OMG! 🙁

MarkInFlorida

It’s strange to see a couple Marxists on a coin blog. I thought Marxists didn’t believe in private property or personal wealth. Or maybe they expect to be part of the nomenklatura.

REB

Same with Fascists. But you did manage to use the words “coin blog”; so you do get some points for that.

Darek

I thought Marxists and Fascists joined forces at the college campuses. In NYC I didn’t see any Trump’s flags, I saw only Marxists and Fascists trying to destroy/burn an American or Israel flags.
Now your cult leader wants to bring terrorists from Gaza. I don’t know how old are you, but I remember animals dancing on the streets in Gaza during 9/11 terrorist attack.

REB

You can’t help yourself, can you?

Kaiser Wilhelm

REB,
At this point I don’t know which is funnier, him being incapable of ceasing and desisting or you pointing that out. Either way, I’m howling!

REB

Games people play, I suppose. I’d rather be flipping coins … on a VERY soft surface, mind you.

Kaiser Wilhelm

REB,
“Games People Play” was a very popular song back in the day (1975) by the soul group The Spinners. It’s still a listening treat for folks like myself who are so hopelessly nostalic for the ’70s!

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Just as a point of information, the only people that are capable of being both Marxist and Fascist simultaneously are the Russians. It’s not hard to believe that they have instigated all of this American university campus pro-Gaza/anti-Israel unrest as a means of de-stabilizing the United States due to our ongoing support for Ukraine against the Russian invasion.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Folks, I’m so very sorry about that input. I happen to have a fear/anger reflex to anything Russian and/or Soviet thanks to my experience behind the Iron Curtain and the invasion of Ukraine has done its share to re-invigorate that. This won’t happen or be brought up again!

Major D

As opposed to fascists that don’t want to hear about truth and facts? Did you check with your cult leader first before you posted?

Major D

Hey MarkInFlorida, your cult leader wants you to send more of your personal wealth to him so he can pay his lawyers. Oh, and to buy more of those bibles he’s peddling (not that he knows anything about what’s printed in them).

Major D

Thanks Sharks2th for the chart tip. I’ve been keeping tabs on the AI dollars. Here’s what I have for where the sales/mintage numbers are at:

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Major D,

Yes, that is how you got to look at!

Thank you for sharing your data. Perfect.

Cheers

sharks2th

@Major D – The chart looks great. Glad to help. I do those things all the time so saving them as jpg and pdf files comes in handy.

Major D

Rick posted in a previous thread about the Mint not making a transfer to the Treasury General Fund in FY23. In FY22 it made a transfer of 534 million, $114 of which was from FY21. Let’s see what’s in FY24 report when it comes out, and if there is a transfer how much is from FY23.

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Rick

To be fair, and to not appear to be disingenuous and bias, can you please post the chart that I was referring to on Page 11(9) on the 2023 Annual Report? (The chart that shows a $0.00 Transfer in 2023) I think people would appreciate a visual of the most current Mint performance as opposed to the chart(above) that reflected the Mint before it created the DEI program. Thanks. Here’s a link to the 2023 USM Annual Report for your convenience.
https://www.usmint.gov/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/2023-Annual-Report.pdf

Major D

No problem. It still looks to me like there’s an ebb and flow. I’m interested to see what the FY23 and FY24 reports show.

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Rick

Thanks for that, I was trying to figure out how to do that yesterday and gave up. I need to practice some more.
Love the charts!

Major D

Yes, I love charts, too! The 2nd chart is from the FY23 report…so I meant to say I’m interested to see what the next two years show, which would be FY24 and FY25. I just figured out how to extract a page from a pdf, crop it and save as a jpeg- done with Adobe Acrobat.

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CaliSkier

Whoa, there little doggies! LOL See what happens when a coin post goes into “awaiting moderation”? LOL I’ll post again with only the Part 1 link and see if that works. Then after your done with watching that, use search to find part 2. Perhaps this will be the catalyst for returning to coin talk? We can only hope… “The Kentucky Hoard”! “The coins were found in a cornfield in Kentucky sometime before 2023; the exact location was not revealed. The person who found the hoard requested anonymity and sources say that he is a man. Many of the coins… Read more »

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REB

My father-in-law from WV told me about this. Any southern mints (New Orleans, Charlotte, and/or Dahlonega) behind the production of any of the hoard? What shape are the coins in? I wouldn’t think dirt provides the best long-term storage conditions for coins but what do I know? Maybe in time, we’ll figure out that dirt is better than slabs.

Major D

REB, as a kid I remember being fascinated by time capsules that are buried in the ground and dug up years later. I attempted a few on my own, and they only lasted 1 -5 years before being dug up. No matter what I did to seal them water got in and messed things up. I would think it’s not what the dirt does so much as what the moisture content and water/dirt combo does. When water reacts with dirt, and the chemicals in dirt, it can really corrode and stain any metal. Even the water alone will mess up… Read more »

Rick

I think Gold is one of the better Metals that keeps itself true to form & resistant to corrosion, so to speak. Like the guys that dig up big Nuggets in Australia, or shipwreck Gold. It always comes out looking great and inert seemingly. Copper? Not so much.

Major D

Rick, that’s a good point. In reading more about it I understand that it depends on the purity.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Gold had better be durable, as must silver considering the’ve both traveled countless light-years from super-novas to us.

Kaiser Wilhelm

CaliSkier,
At first glance this seems to be the photo of the cross-section of a rather large log, but on closer inspection we end up counting the number of coins instead of rings.

CaliSkier

Yes, a large log from the money tree! Chopping it down was a bad idea though, as it’s akin to “killing the golden goose”! Although, this sparks an idea of an ability to detect a “good egg” vs a “bad egg”, using the “Eggdicator”! LOL We currently could use the help of this novel device here on Coin News IMO! LOL

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Kaiser Wilhelm

This finally explains the old expression “Money doesn’t grow on trees.” Clearly it grows inside trees!

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CaliSkier

Thanks for sharing and posting your AI $1 sales chart Major D. It’s nice to be able to see all of them on a single page! Nice work!

Major D

In a previous thread Chris Terp wrote: “Surprised of the little fanfare for this year’s commemoratives. Sorry Harriet Tubman and Greatest Generation, you two missed the COVID buying craze at the Mint.” It’s true that Tubman and GG lead many of the Top 5 Lowest, but there’s still a good 6 more months to go. LOWEST MINTAGE COMMEMORATIVE GOLD PROOF $5 1.      5,001: 2024 Greatest Generation * 2.      5,189: 2024 Tubman * 3.      5,357: 2022 NLB 4.      5,864: 2021 National Law Enforcement 5.      7,675: 2022 NPH LOWEST MINTAGE COMMEMORATIVE GOLD UNCIRCULATED $5 1.      1,029: 2024 Greatest Generation * 2.      1,080: 2024 Tubman* 3.      1,507: 2022 NLB 4.      1,677: 2022… Read more »

REB

I understand the need to get commemoratives out early to take advantage of the Congressionally mandated release period. But, the Tubman & Greatest Generation releases appeared to step on one another. Too bad that these programs couldn’t be separated by six months or featured as special one-coin-per-month releases.

Kaiser Wilhelm

REB,
You’ve brought up a very good point here. It makes me believe that this might just be the case every year, that the two commemoratives can’t help but cannibalize each other’s sales one way or another.

REB

Sadly agree.

Major D

Some previous comments made me think of how US Mint product prices compare with one another. This is based strictly on the risk involved after subtracting the face value and melt value, without regard to any added values through grading and/or demand based on low mintages, etc.

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Major D,

I am assuming “At Risk” for the buyer?

Now, that’s getting down to brass tacks.

Nice piece of data. A pattern has emerged.

Cheers

Major D

For many of these products, resale values will be higher than Face + Metal – and one would hope also higher than what’s paid at the Mint. But if the collector market collapsed tomorrow this is the base value that would be left.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Major D,
You’ve provided us with yet another angle to look at coin values from. Thanks!

Rick

Tony@GA, Darek,
My 2 L&B Silver Medals showed up today.
To open, or to not open? That is the question.
Darek I think you did, how do they look?
Tony I think I know what you did–Strong will man!
I’m thinking of sending them in for First Strike slabbing since I’m on that kick, and familiar with it now. Problem is, you can usually tell if it will pass as a 70, or 69 by looking closely. So I’m in a pickle of sorts over a silly label lol…

Darek

Yes, I did open, because I keep coins/medals raw. I have some coins in sealed boxes( 2 sets of baseballs gold coins, 10 sets of ASE 5coin, and few more). 1 medal looks better than other. 1 looks perfect to me under 10x loupe, however the second one has one really tiny spot on the field next to the star on Liberty/Britannia side. Overall I am happy with them and both are keepers.

Darek

Since I don’t have any examples of graded coins I don’t know what makes coin grade 69 or 70. I’m not planning to sell anything from my collection, so for me if I don’t see any defects under 10x loupe the coin is keeper. My kids will deal with grading when they have them in hands. They only know that I have some silver coins in my possession. One day I will go over my entire collection with them, but first they have to graduate from college.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Darek, We clearly have a very similar program in place in regard to how we manage the coins we have collected. I too have no graded or encapsulated coins nor do I have any interest in ever getting involved in that process. Additionally, I have never had the slightest interest in selling even a single piece from my treasured collection. Where we apparently don’t align as precisely is in our personal ages and those of our children, since my children’s children, in other words my grandchildren, will soon – and it’s hard for me to believe this is already happening… Read more »

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Darek,
Perfection, if such a quality even exists, is at the very least difficult to find. When I look at my coins and see a small spot here or a tiny nick there, my first reaction is to think “Well, I guess I just can’t get anything that’s perfect.” If I want to get out of that negative line of thinking, I think back to the words of Leonard Cohen: “There is a crack in everything. That’s how the light gets in.”

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Rick

E1, Darek, I appreciate both of you for your collecting interests and personalities and I mean that. I know your politics and I really don’t care. E1 you’re much more discreet and neutral and I can appreciate that. You all know mine as well, as I’m not that discreet, and I probably should be. But I try to be nice? You too Darek, it’s time to mellow down please. All sides can get triggered and tweaked too easily. It’s time to not sweat the small stuff and ignore the BS if that’s how you perceive it. Both of you, and… Read more »

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Rick,

Newsom started his first term in 2019. Jerry D is splits ville. No support from our admin today either. This place is usually an escape for me as it is for others. Not today. Going for a walk about.

All my Best

Rick

Well E1, Get some fresh air, as I will too, I’ll clear my head, and move on. In fact, I already have. The BS will always hang around wherever we are, but it’s up to us to brush it off, and ignore it… Don’t go too far E, as I have unfinished business with you. I consider you a friend, and a mentor right here in the blogosphere of coins! Jerry D joined us briefly for a comment or two when we came over. I’m not sure what happened, and I hope he’s ok. Further business means that I’ve got… Read more »

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Rick

1883 CC Morgan GSA Hoard Coin after crackout & re holder.(How could I?!)
I had my reasons…but later

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Rick

If you noticed on the original GSA/PCGS holder(above) there was a green CAC sticker on the slab at the label. So it was destroyed/discarded when reholdered. Since this coin is in the CAC database as Green stickered, I’ll need to send CAC the freshly slabbed coin for a replacement sticker. Soon enough…
Photo of the fresh reverse below…

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Rick

And the reverse of the (before)1883 CC GSA Holder. I zoomed it some.. See what I’m getting at? And why I reholdered this CC coin? Foamlike old threading coming loose at 12 o’clock hanging down onto the coin. A glob of foamy hold-in material at approx 10 o’clock. Not the best presentation for a $2000 coin anymore. Aren’t these CC GSA Holders pretty old by now? Without looking it up I’m thinking these were a Government Program from the 70’s to promote the sale of these CC GSA Coins? So I reholdered it in a fresh Gold Shield slab that… Read more »

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Rick

E1,
I forgot to mention to you earlier. but it seems appropriate in the here & now, for you, for all…
A while back on the blog, a few people were having a heated conversation back & forth. Something dumb and unnecessary like politics, racism accusations, whatever it was?…Anyway, you E1 simply posted the lyrics to the song linked below. Have a listen(and read)my friend(s),
PS: Volume up a little…

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rick,
Many thanks for this peaceful and thoughtful interlude. Namaste.

John Q. Coinage

Rick sweet GSA & good song…..Ag pop me go baby mas arriba! I have a GSA 83cc I “think” is PL with. Price popping maybe worth shooting off for a slab. I am not an accountant but clearly most people running the government have a SPENDING problem $ aI t the issue, now to buy that $150 Ventris medal…. :{>

Rick

Thanks JQ, good to hear from you! You have a BUNCH-o-coins to send off, maybe send in a batch, it saves on shipping both ways. The reason I’m slabbing everything is for my family later, easy to authenticate, price & sell–easy peasy clicking! I have a spending problem too lol. But I’m offsetting ‘some’ of my spending–Just last night I sold a roll of ASE’s for $750! Bought for $300 Go Ag. I’m pulling an AKBob move here.. Get the Medal J, rumor has it that they are in the Demand Destruction phase. Since you’re the emoji king, good to… Read more »

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Kaiser Wilhelm

John Q. Coinage,
In 1995 at the age of 48 I had a massive heart attack and came within minutes of leaving this life. That experience altered my sensitivities as to what’s important and what’s peripheral. Having perceptions “fine tuned” in such a way can be of value for choosing the better roads to take going forward.

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John Q. Coinage

Kaiser glad to hear you’re ok. About that time Drs. Thought I may have had a HA. Golden rule indeed is not to just accumulate AU. Coins are still interesting to me but since stopping mint purchases a lot calmer. But……the Flowing Hair, just when you think you’re out….they Pull u back in.
some consolidation for PMs then maybe Ag can attack massive resistance @$35….. boy that sold a lot of Saturn V dollars!!
politics and religions website this should not be…..

Kaiser Wilhelm

John Q. Coinage, Sincerest thanks for your thoughtful and kind wishes for my health. Knowing how quickly things can go south, as you likely experienced after your own heart scare, is an excellent teacher in regard to learning how to take things one day – or forthat matter even on second – at a time, because ultimately that is in fact how the duration of our presence on earth seems to be measured. I completely agree that the decision to discontinue or even reduce one’s number/amount of coin purchases from the Mint can, as you so poignantly pointed out, bring… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rick,
What an incredibly well thought out analysis of and commentary on the politically-oriented annoyances that seem to inevitably creep up on this site (and apparently repeatedly so) and what the best ways might be to deal with these often unsettling distractions to the satisfaction of what is likely the great majority of the participants here!

Rick

I agree 100%, and will do my best to not distract. I may slip up here & there, but I’ll make it up somehow!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rick,
It’s not all that easy for me either to always control myself enough so as to stay on the straight and narrow and avoid any off-topic comments, but like you I am trying my best in that regard to help make this as positive, friendly and coin-centered a place as possible. Good luck to all of us in this effort!

Darek

Rick,
There is no history between me and E1 “dropping gloves”. At the end I want to clarify one thing about pencil neck. I was talking about Adam who wants to upgrade his “position” and become Senator in November.
Happy Sunday everyone!

Rick

Thanks Darek,
I’m not into CA politics, but what he did on a national scale, with the Russia Hoax that he and her propagated, should be an automatic disqualifier for him.. IMO of course…

Now for some cointalk………..

REB

“Now for some cointalk………..”

Pretty please?

Rick

Yeah I slipped up, I’m working on it my coin friend!

I hope the L&B of yours is pristine!
I’m still trying to picture your “Entire” AGE Proof Collection!✔️

REB

Thumbs up.

I’ll let you know when I get the L&B. According to the tracking info, it’s in the same place it was two days ago. I’m tempted to drive to the “PROCESSING CENTER” and throw boxes around!

Kaiser Wilhelm

REB,
Careful the “Processing Center” isn’t aligned with “To Serve Man”!

Kaiser Wilhelm

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REB

Rick & Cali: I got the L&B this afternoon. I always like the actual article better than drawings or photos. There doesn’t appear to be any “finning” but the “High Relief” isn’t nearly as high as the Buffalo. I still like the reverse better and I do appreciate that they tried something different with their “playing card” oppositional representation. The packaging is the same color as the Mayflower 400th Anniversary (steel blue) & the 8-page COA includes some interesting tidbits. BUT, the clamshell case still has a pretty cheap plastic holder/insert. I’d like to see something nicer for a $3,000… Read more »

Rick

Agreed as to being seen in person. The Mint rendition was very bland on this coin imo. As far as the Buffalo comparison, the Buff isn’t high relief as far as I know? The L&B should have some concavity/bowl like appearance near the mid to outer perimeter of the coin?(arrows in pic). And are the torch flames appearing high relief/depth? That’s where I thought I might see something. The COA does sound interesting…
Thanks for the update REB!

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REB

“The L&B should have some concavity/bowl like appearance near the mid to outer perimeter of the coin?(arrows in pic). And are the torch flames appearing high relief/depth?”

You are correct. It is on the coin. Perhaps, the contrast is not as striking due to the busyness of the design. The reverse probably does a better job of providing the 3-D high-relief effect. The trees stand out against a field of sky.

That’s my take on the coin. Hope that helps.

Kaiser Wilhelm

REB,
I never heard that “You get what you get and you don’t throw a fit” saying prior to this occasion but I like it enough to hold onto it for future re-employment. As it happens, one never knows, do one?

REB

Use away. It’s not trademarked … except possibly by my mother-in-law.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Oh dear lord, REB, that’s the most fearsome copyright of all!

CaliSkier

Kudos and thank you very much, if you are reading and following along Jeff Legan!!! I really appreciate you not jumping on the bandwagon, entering the fracas and contributing to the digression. You showed superior restraint! This too, shall soon pass. Nice chart on the “US Mint product, at risk comparison” MD! Shout out to Kaiser for also showing restraint and trying to get the Coin dialogue going again. To be honest, I’m a bit surprised and I’m sorry that my posts got things going the wrong direction, quickly moving to a roiling boil. I’ll try to be more careful… Read more »

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Rick

Cali, that movie Rambo 1, that’s all that Sheriff had to do–Let it go–Great Movie!

John Q. Coinage

Richard Crenna also great in the Rambo flix. I went to school w his son, his dad was a really nice guy…..even to US high Schoolers…

Kaiser Wilhelm

John Q. Coinage,
I liked Richard Crenna; an actor with his own memorable style. The only son of a famous star I ever came across was Bing Crosby’s eldest son Gary who happened to frequent the same PX Snack Bar as my Dad and I did when he was stationed at Seventh Army in Stuttgart, West Germany.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

CaliSkier,
Thanks for the shout out and yes, I obviously do read every word of all of these posts; remember, I am OCD. Actually, it all interests me and like you said, if we could keep the temperature low and the topics on (coin) point, that would be great.

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REB

Agree wholeheartedly. Coin news is what I come here for. Hopefully, there will be no further slippage into the dark political arts.

Kaiser Wilhelm

REB,
Seems like the perfect opportunity to give our brand new non-slip coin collecting slippers a test run…or shuffle, at least.

Jeff Legan

Hi CaliSkier, Yes, I am still paying attention. I hope I will not feel the need to jump in, in the near future. Almost did to Darek some days ago on the space force thread, but Major D responded well. I was never the problem here. My insults did not start flying until Dazed SENZA and Craig ignored months of me telling them to lay off partisan politics on a non-partisan COIN website and certainly well after they started throwing their own insults around. Have you figured that out yet? I doubt we would be talking this well with each… Read more »

REB

“More people speaking up for civility in America is a good thing.”

Completely agree.

Kaiser Wilhelm

A big double amen to that, my friends!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Jeff Legan, What a truly wondrous thing it is that you are here again, and, at least as far as I am able to tell at the moment, in superbly fine mettle at that. Welcome back, my dear friend! I have to say that I am so very sorry for having left you in the lurch as an unintended but apparently inescapable consequence of the total self-erasure of my comments. Let me firmly and loudly attest here ad now that you did not by any stretch of the imagination have even the slightest thing whatsoever to do with my leaving.… Read more »

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Jeff Legan

Hi Kaiser Wilhelm, I think everyone forgot (or have not been around long enough to see) that I do not comment very often normally. I have never left Kaiser Wilhelm. If the talk is coins, I have more to learn than to say. If the talk is political or off topic, and particularly misinformation, opinion claiming to be fact, or gray claiming to be black or white, I very well may have something to say in reply. If someone does not want to hear my political commentary on a coin site, do not tell my yours here first. Pretty simple,… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Jeff Legan,
I really appreciate and am touched by your kind and thoughtful words regarding whatever hopefully positive ambience I may have been able to have a hand in contributing to on this coin site. I must say in return I have long been grateful to you for your taking up of the proverbial gauntlet when it became abundantly clear that I had begun to fold under the pressure of being on the receiving end of too many derogatory remarks. I’m glad you’ve decided to let yourself be “visible” again.

Darek

Thank you for your biased one sided opinion which I respect. Do I care about? No, just because it is biased. You said, that you were never problem here, and than you proudly admitted that you rushed to insult someone, because some different beliefs( I was not here, so I don’t know what has happened). You are famous now and you can act like celebrity. If you don’t know how to debate in civil way, don’t do it. Let it go and like Kaiser said: without giving the other side oxygen everything will be back to normal sooner than later.… Read more »

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Major D

Darek, just for the record, I vote for no politics. However, when I see a one-sided jab about the left and/or Biden, there will be a one-sided response about the right and/or Trump. This is the Tit-For-Tat that I referred to as strategy in Game Theory, which is hardly about games as it is employed in the highest level of military brinkmanship. I had repeated my one comment twice, as I was not sure that it would be seen as a response to a comment, vs. a new comment. CaliSkier helped open the can of worms this time, but I… Read more »

CaliSkier

Major D, you have a little bit of responsibility? No? If possible, bear with me? Tongue in cheek w/some relevance? You, were the one who actually said the words, hexing my comment into a 200+ comment thread! ROFLMAO I simply mentioned the US Debt(money$) and that the President and Congress didn’t seem too concerned. No jabs, no calling out accusing the current Pres as being responsible for it, saying it’s “his” fault, no use of derogatory names. You gave it life? How would this thread have gone(???) had you not posted: “Thanks (sarcasm here) for opening up that can of… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

CaliSkier, Major D and Darek, I may be overly optimistic, but from what I’ve just read on and between the lines of the extensive comments from each of you up above here I am quite definitely given renewed hope that you are in fact all more on the same page here than might at a quick and simple glance appear to be the case. You certainly all sound very supportive of the ideal of this site, which means that you do have the same goal in mind, which above all is to be able to discuss coins and to do… Read more »

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REB

Again, you can’t help yourself. Take this nonsense to a political board. Thank you.

Darek

You don’t bring anything to the table with your post. Yes, you are good boy, and Jeff should throw you a coin or two for your service and if you continue to engage he should give you an opportunity to kiss his gold signet, but remember that if you don’t know how to debate without insulting and if you don’t have arguments don’t go there. I know you wanted to look smart but didn’t work well.

REB

Did you make it through second grade for that? Your post is in contradiction to itself. But you’re too dumb to realize that. That’s the way it is with you MAGA losers. But, you’re still a good boy, doggie. Maybe Trump will share one of his diapers with you, or at least let you sniff it. Won’t that be fun, doggie?

Grow up or get back to the little kids’ table where you belong. Leave the coin talk to those who have advanced beyond elementary school.

Darek

It is still to hard for you to understand. I knew from the beginning that you are unable to put two sentences together without insulting someone. I don’t know if you have wife or a husband, but let her/him/them read your posts and see how proud they will be. I feel sorry for you. I will be back with you either later or tomorrow.

REB

Come on now, doggie. You’re the only one worth mocking here. No one else here is trying to turn a coin-collecting comments section into some kind of macho political pissing match. I see two choices for a master elementary school sentence composer and debater like you: 1) Start talking coins instead of your pathetic brand of grievance politics; or 2) keep coming back at me with your insults (“good boy”, “unable to put two sentences together”, “I feel sorry for you”, etc.) and you’ll get back what you bring, Snowflake. You leave me alone. I leave you alone. The choice… Read more »

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Darek

I am sorry that you had to wait that long for my response, You just cracked me up. Calling me a snowflake? I don’t know what to call you, because you did melt already. I thought that you will bring my broken English earlier, but you finally arrived there. I never kept the secret that English is not my first language and that I am an immigrant who came to US little more than 2 decades ago with no English at all. It is easier for me to speak than to write, but I am trying my best to improve… Read more »

REB

Let the record reflect that my friend Darek chose Option #2. Utterly predictable and stunning that it would take you that long to craft what you did. Not one word about coins or numismatics. Just an ironic and mindless ramble about “bringing nothing to the table”, “thanking God you didn’t meet people’, “Lord Jeff Ceasar”, more dog references, a pacifier, weird inferences about my mother-in-law, and something about somebody being “small” and a “good boy”. This is classic uncontrollable trolling on your part, my friend. Please find help for yourself. I’m not even sure a political board would help you.… Read more »

REB

“You don’t bring anything to the table with your post. Yes, you are good boy, and [Trump] should throw you a [sneaker] or two for your service and if you continue to engage he should give you an opportunity to kiss his gold [diaper], but remember that if you don’t know how to debate without insulting and if you don’t have arguments don’t go there. I know you wanted to look smart but didn’t work well.” Your words (except for three relevant, to you, changes), doggie. Excuse that last word but I thought you might be disappointed if I didn’t… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Just a bit of a clarification, Darek. U.S. Mint coin designs as such are not in any way, shape or form “PC” or anything else for that matter. It is not the given appearance of a coin that is political but the personally adopted opinion of their appearance. U.S. Mint coins are consistently and universally neutral, non-political and non-denominational objects of commerce, history and art, and in spite of anyone attempting to project their personal feelings and/or beliefs onto them that is what they will forever remain.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

And the reverse…

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CaliSkier

I’ve been composing and debating on whether I would, wouldn’t, should or shouldn’t post this response? However, after seeing Reb’s post: “Agree wholeheartedly. Coin news is what I come here for. Hopefully, there will be no further slippage into the dark political arts.”, and now Dareks well thought out(IMO), fairly spot on, play by play, in addition to reviewing your post multiple times, I will do as you mentioned(“people speaking up, and early this time”) and not wait for further transgressions or attempts to fling insults back and forth, he said she said. Sorry in advance to Kaiser, Jeff, others… Read more »

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REB

I was not a great fan of Jeff’s approach BUT this board was being overrun at the time with ad hominem “conservative” political rants by posters who appeared to have only a passing interest in numismatics. I understood his frustration. It’s hard to be bombarded by inappropriate and disagreeable political banter by people who don’t seem to give two chits about whether they’re being appropriate or agreeable. Whether you agree or not with BLM, DEI, CRT, MAGA, or any other goddamn set of acronyms, their place in a coin forum, is well, nonsensical and offputting. This board was getting interesting… Read more »

Major D

CaliSkier, I’d say you’re escalating vs. de-escalating the situation (the “calm” is over, let the storm begin!”) and I’m not sure why. It is not fair to go about swinging at Jeff Logan, throwing your own gasoline and then in the next breath say it’s time to stop after having said your bit. Jeff has contributed to coin talk here many times, and he has my respect for multiple efforts to reasonably and patiently engage with certain individuals who were hellbent on causing disruption and animosity. He has shown a lot more restraint than me in the past. As for… Read more »

CaliSkier

You couldn’t just, “Let it Go”, and let Jeff take the medicine/lumps he literally asked for? Why, you ask Major D? My Calm is over, the storm that was brewing, has arrived, however will pass by the END of this post! !I think this pretty much, sums it up in a nutshell for me? “My complement was not meant to be an offer of support or solidarity, to be taken lightly, then used as a spring board, encouraging you to jump into the pool with a cannonball or play “dog pile on the rabbit”. Mostly? If your going to play… Read more »

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REB

Do what you’ve got to do, my friend. I’ll miss your coin knowledge and input. However, I refuse to take unwanted political and personal incoming attacks without responding. That goes for Darek or anyone else. It’s not in my nature to be a punching bag. I’m going to defend myself. Leave politics aside. I’ll leave politics aside. Leave personal insults aside. I’ll leave personal insults aside.

I hope you can find your way back here at some point. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again – I appreciated your coin posts and I will miss them.

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Rick

Cali you could’ve let it go(above). You said your say before, made your point, and that was that…. All that you accomplished above was a temper tantrum. The bridge burning is going to leave you alone, and untrusted.. Move on please…

I’m not liking the name calling above me as well, and that’s giving me the perception of a maturity level that belongs to Middle School kids–So everyone KNOCK IT OFF ALREADY!
Craig is looking like the Gentleman here, I’ll bet he is in real life anyway. Hang in there Kaiser and everybody else. It’ll pass…
Rick

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rick,
Kaiser reporting…hangin’ in there…not leaving…seein’ it through.

CaliSkier

Hello, proud new owners of the Liberty and Britannia Silver medals! Can someone please take a good look at the rim(s) and report back on whether you notice any “finning”? I’m glad so far the reports have been favorable re: quality however US Mint medals and some(FS) coins, have had notable issues with finning in the past. It would just be nice if the Mint could eliminate this type of anomaly, since it has seemingly been an ongoing problem for many years. It’s been reported previously, that sometimes it is excessively pronounced or severe enough, preventing the capsule from closing… Read more »

CaliSkier

Look out, On Topic! Brief history on USM Bronze Medal pricing. From gradual, to “sky rocketing”! The 1st price raise on US Mint Bronze Medals by Coin News March 31, 2010. “US Mint Bronze Medal Prices Raised” CoinNews wrote: “ The US Mint, as mandated by law, produces a variety of medals ranging from Presidential, First Spouse, Historical, Humanitarian, Cultural and Military. The 1.3125-inch First Spouse bronze medals were the first to undergo an increase. Prices were raised 57.1 percent from $3.50 to $5.50 on March 18, 2010. These medals bear the likeness of the companion First Spouse Gold Coins.”… Read more »

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CaliSkier

William T Gibbs wrote for Coin World September 28, 2020, regarding enormous Bronze Medal price increase: “Monday Morning Brief for Sept. 28, 2020: This will kill the program” He writes: “There is a guaranteed way to kill a U.S. Mint program: raise prices by 400 percent. Mint officials are preparing to do just that by increasing the price of the Mint’s 3-inch bronze medals from $39.95 to $160 each. Yes, you read that correctly — $160 for a medal with zero precious metals content and no published mintage limits. Astonishingly, the $160 price is just $18.25 less than what the… Read more »

CaliSkier

Paul Gilkes, follows up for Coin World December 10, 2021 with: “Sales fall for bronze medals after 2021 price rise” (Some Mintages) Paul writes, then follows with sales data: “The U.S. Mint’s decision to substantially raise the prices in 2021 on its bronze medals for the first time in 11 years had a profound effect on sales of some of the medals. At Coin World’s request, the U.S. Mint provided a listing of the sales of all of its medals from its product catalog for calendar years 2019, 2020 and 2021.” https://www.coinworld.com/news/us-coins/sales-fall-for-bronze-medals-after-2021-price-rise PS 3rd of 3 successive on the subject… Read more »

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East Coast Guru

That’s why I bought a bunch of 3” medals right before the price increase. Haven’t bought any since. Even at $40 they are pricey for what you get. Plus, the presentation box is outrageously high now.
Looking forward to the Space Force silver medal if and when it comes out.

Kaiser Wilhelm

East Coast Guru,
Not enough of us had your foresight in that regard. Kudos, my friend!

Kaiser Wilhelm

CaliSkier, Thanks for that extremely informative and superbly enlightening “trifecta” of comments regarding the Mint’s unbelievably boneheaded move of quadrupling the sales price of its 3 inch bronze medals, thereby for all pratical purposes managing to put the final nail in the coffin of its large medal program. The only incident I can think of in which the Mint was actually able to exceed the badly and barely thought out circumstances and consequences of the above move is the time the Mint decided to release the 2019-S Enhanced Reverse Proof American Silver Eagle without having put any effort whatsoever into… Read more »

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CaliSkier

PM’s heating up this evening on the World Market! Currently, Au up $23.60, .98% and Ag up $.49 or 1.56%. 76.17:1

Kaiser Wilhelm

CaliSkier,
I believe I can hear the drumbeat of precious metal frenzy even over the highway noise.

CaliSkier

Kaiser are you sure you’re not hearing, “Jumanji”? I can’t remember though, if you roll after “Peter, Sarah, Judy or Allan(Robin Williams)? Wait my bad, it’s a 4 person max game, I guess you’ll have to wait for the next game! LOL An all time favorite(original) for sure!

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Caliskier,
I watched that movie with my kids when it first came out. If I remember correctly, the characters faced enough danger to keep it exciting but on the other hand not so much as to make it unwatchable for the little ones.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Oops, I clearly experienced a major memory loss in this case. My two kids could hardly have been impressionable children when this movie was released in 1995 since my son was already off to college and my daughter was a year away from finishing high school. My oh my, so this is what happens when one is on the road to approaching eighty. In the future, I will have to be very sure to research my “old time” stories much better before I lay them out for public perusal.

CaliSkier

Rick said: “And the reverse of the (before)1883 CC GSA Holder. I zoomed it some.. See what I’m getting at?” Rick, I’m somewhat surprised that you didn’t read about the GSA coins on the PCGS site? “GSA Hoard Morgan Dollar Carson City Sets By BJ Searls August 26, 2013” https://www.pcgs.com/news/gsa-hoard-morgan-dollar-carson-city-sets I would definitely find the visual distractions in the old GSA holder an annoyance as well. However, since many collectors find additional value or greater realized secondary market prices, in these “old” GSA holders, I’m wondering if you sought out whether PCGS, could have somehow, carefully cracked your GSA holder… Read more »

Rick

Thanks CaliPedia for the article!(compliment) I did miss that one, I’m usually ok with research, just not thorough enough. PCGS/Collectors Universe is a good site for coin info, coin grading, and forums on coin collecting IMO. I didn’t check into whether they could crack their oversized holder, to then crack the original GSA holder(slab within a slab, see pic)to clean up the thread/foam issue. I did ‘theorize’ that they/someone/me could discard the oversized PCGS holder, drill a small hole into the GSA slab(E1 is laughing right about now), insert an instrument like a pick/dental tool, and fix the issue &… Read more »

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Rick

To drill into the slab, or not drill into the slab to ‘de-thread’ the coin.. That is the question? I say no, but I do have a couple of other double slabber CC’s–should I experiment?
Nevermind, Nada…The thread is long gone in the PGCS trash can lol…
By the way, that loose thread had continued up, around, and down(see pic)..In hand under a loupe/and eye you could see the thread continue. The thread was skinnier(in blue)for whatever reason?–Good riddance Mr thread lol..
That is my CC GSA ‘crack-out’ story..Pleased to share with you all..

I like talking about coins….

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CaliSkier

Rick, thank you, thank you, thank you for talking coins! I don’t know about E1, however I sure am ROFLMAO!!! LOL “I did ‘theorize’ that they/someone/me could discard the oversized PCGS holder, drill a small hole into the GSA slab(E1 is laughing right about now), insert an instrument like a pick/dental tool, and fix the issue & re-slab anew”. That is and would be quite comical IMO. Wonder if PCGS would catch the drill hole and give some interesting designation? Like, “Plastic Beetle”, not to be confused with, “Bark Beetle”! LOL Still laughing, again thanks. BTW, I hadn’t noticed, are… Read more »

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Rick

LOL, I know! No drilling here, but it was the thought that counts lol?
Yes My CC was a GSA slab inside of a PCGS slab. Notice in the Great Collections link above, that it is a GSA slab with a sticker only–No double encapsulation from NGC.
I’m a grownass man, who’s tilted to the Right, but I try to be friendly about it? I’m gearing up for my “deprogramming” sessions anyway, so I should be good in no time!
(◎﹏◎)

Rick

Actually, I’d bet my last “V” cent, that E1 could pull off a thread removal job on that coin holder. Maybe not exactly like I described, but hey, given the right instrumentation?? E1 mentioned macro, micro, mini, etc. being in the tech field himself, not to mention the coin crackout/conservation expertise that he has…E?

Major D

maybe if you stop fueling it by talking about it non-stop?

CaliSkier

First of all, you didn’t insert a coin comment! Second of all pound sand! I came down here started a new coin dialogue and you show up with more nonsense…had you and Reb not jumped in to defend Jeffrey, we’d probably have been fine, but you couldn’t “let it go” and let him take the pills he gulped down, thinking he’s the knight in shining armor, coming to your rescue and saving you guys” again? Bye Felicia!

REB

Whoa, Nelly. I defended one thing that Jeff said. For the third time, it was: “More people speaking up for civility in America is a good thing”. Cali, I don’t have a beef with you … yet. I’m sure we might disagree a bit on some political issues and we might agree on others. Ultimately, I don’t really care. That’s not why I’m here. There are much better political boards elsewhere. I value your (and others’) insights when they focus on coins. I hope that’s why most of us are here. Let’s remember to keep that as our North Star… Read more »

Major D

CaliSkier, you are the one not letting go. First with MNB, then Jeff Logan. And now with REB and myself?

John Q. Coinage

Keep GSA holders from extinction

Rick

Yep PCGS does preserve them with the double slab, not so much at NGC with a sticker only. Deals can be had for the NGC GSA’s all scratched up. The Morgan might even upgrade to +, or a full grade point if you are willing to crack, er out and let them see the coin without the 50 year old lens distorting the slabbers view!?

East Coast Guru

Did Whitman buy Coinnews? We are up to 227 comments on this one article about medals. I was hoping for a new topic. Maybe something about Space Force medal, Flowing hair Liberty updates, sales figures, new design proposals, V pennies etc.

REB

“I was hoping for a new topic.”

Same here.

Major D

new sales figures due out tomorrow

REB

Huzzah!

Kaiser Wilhelm

All music to my ears, gents! 🙂

Rick

REB, AKBob, Darek, Tony@GA, and any other Lib/Brit buyers,(see, we have something in common!) My Gold delivered today! But it’s sitting there sealed staring back, beckoning, pleading me to open it.(see where I’m going here?)… I’m on the fence to open/not open. I have another, like AK does that’s supposed to be sent in for a PF70 First Strike Label. I’m going to send this one to PCGS as well. I don’t necessarily need it to be FS Flag Label, but at the very least, a Gold Shield Label w/TrueView service, and a PF70 as a Big Bonus… I’d like… Read more »

Rick

I’m wondering if you want to return the L&B Gold or Silver due to a problem/flaw(s) that they will send you another one as a replacement?

DaveSWFL

It’s probably just me, but I just cannot leave a coin unseen in a box. Only exception would be if I ever sent one to PCGS FIRST STRIKE. Haven’t done that yet, so I don’t even know if I could resist!

Major D

Rick, REB, AKBob, Darek, Tony@GA, and any other Lib/Brit buyers. I’m interested to know how the high relief gold looks like in hand. I imagine it must look really stunning- way beyond what the Mint showed in the illustrations. Easy for me to say because I didn’t buy one, but I’d want to open it and see it.

REB

Obviously, that’s something to ponder. I keep what I get sent with the packaging for posterity. So, my motivations may be different. The only coin I was tempted to return/replace was the colorized purple heart. I ended up keeping it.

Rick

For the most part I have kept what’s been delivered. The one time I did return was for a 2010 Proof First spouse Buchanan Liberty, it was picked over looking, even a fingerprint smudge. Another was the 2016-W 100th Ann. Gold Mercury Dime. It has a small/tiny ding on her face. That coin I picked up from the Mints’ “remind me” status after being unavailable, so I’m sure it was a return. I kept it, as I did with a $5 commem or two that had ‘small issues’. The Merc, commems, and several other coins are being slabbed as we… Read more »

REB

Fingerprint smudge? “Remind me” ding? Now that’s maddening. I understand your frustration.

I’d like to hear your slab stories. I’ve never had one slabbed. I’ve always liked having everything in and with the original packaging. I’m a creature of habit, I suppose.

Rick

Now I just buy on day one, not weeks or months later like I did then. There’s no real chance of a returned coin I’d say.
I’m slabbing & authenticating most everything so my family(or me) later on can sell with ease if they choose to. Most auction houses need the coins to be certified to protect themselves and all parties involved from fraud/shenanigans. If your estate is up for auction/sale one day, they’ll have it certified for the same reasons. Many of your coins will gain value from being certified as well IMO.

REB

Food for thought regarding slabbing. Thanks for providing. I’m right with you there on first-day purchases. I had never thought of the returned coin angle but it makes sense. I’m generally too eager to get the coin to wait. Plus, I have PSD from losing out to bots & flippers in the past. I’d rather get it straight from the source on release day than chase it down in the secondary market later.

Tony@GA

I agree with you on 1st day or bust on purchases for the very same reasons you articulate.

I don’t open or slab anything but leave them sealed in their shipping boxes.

My logic is that #1 bought from the mint so zero fraud or fakes and all the necessary ephemera is there for any and all to “trust” what they are buying is authentic, dated, receipt, box ect… ect..

REB

Interesting approach. I assume you’re buying explicitly for resale? If so, I can certainly see your logic. It would kill me not to open the boxes as I’d want to see/inventory what I bought.

I know it’s not likely but has anyone ever received the wrong item in a shipment? I haven’t yet but it would be a concern with unopened boxes.

Tony@GA

Hi Reb and all,

Actually I buy as a hedge against fiat $$. If the dollar survives then my collection will fall to my children. (And I just stinking LOVE coins) I’ve never sold 1 coin in all my years.

It is hard not to open… I “did” open the ones possibly signed by Ventris but of course…. I didn’t score on those… lol

I just want the re-sale to go easily and be able to sell, even to a discriminating and untrusting buyer whether it be myself or my posterity.

REB

Ah, my Ventris signature story … I didn’t get one either … I could fill pages recounting it. Must. Resist. Temptation. To. Tell. Story.

Good for you Tony. Sounds like you’ve got a good hedge plan alternative to slabbing.

Rick

Now you’ve got me intrigued on the Ventris signature story? In brief? Or don’t go there which is ok, maybe another day… I was the one that briefly spoke with her at the ANA Coin show in March while she was signing new PF Quarter sets(why not me too?)I complimented her on how she signed off on how the Mint handled the L&B sale. She said “Just wait until this Fall”.. I didn’t follow up, but can only surmise that it’s the Flowing Hair offerings. I have the 3 coin Greatest Gen PF set still unopened–Signature? I don’t know what… Read more »

REB

So THAT was the writing on my GG COA? Just kidding. Sorry. I had the wrong Mint Director. It’s actually a Ryder story. Long, long story short: I tried to buy the 2019 Enhanced Reverse Eagle from the Mint and lost out to bots and flippers. I turned to eBay. The prices were absolutely crazy in short order. I located one with prices still surging. The box was supposedly sealed. For the first time I can remember, the Mint Director had signed several specially numbered COAs. I told the eBay seller NOT to open the box & send it to… Read more »

Rick

You and AKBob could have a conversation about that!
He got gyped by a seller also, raised the price a lot as it was climbing in value. But he got a low #COA Ryder signature on another sealed box, and almost got ripped off of the COA from PCGS!?…Bob?

Major D

Rick, I’ve heard of slabs being counterfeited with fake labels matching real codes. So, I guess my question would be how would I know if it’s real even if certified?

REB

Another potential problem – what if the certification concern goes out of business? Would the coin require another grading by a second service? Is one service more respected by dealers, auctioneers, and the general coin biz than another?

Rick

As John Q highlighted before. Top dog is PCGS for being a bit more discerning. However NGC is no slouch, I think they’re the biggest slabber world wide, could be wrong on that. Both have softened with their grading standards from 10-15 years ago imo. E1 knows more on that. As E1 and I touched on recently, that you can find some under graded coins/gems in some of the older holders as well, there is a whole market for that. Same goes for raw coins online, legit estate sales, and coin shows–picking for potential bargains, grading, and cashing in.. My… Read more »

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REB

Many thanks for the info.

Rick

Yes and it’s a real problem. Many, many fakes out there. It’s true they use real cert #s too, sometimes it’s a real cert but doesn’t match the coin, not even close lol. If there is any doubt, you can do your own research on the coin itself by buying books, and online databases, such as the TPG’s. They have very detailed photos to compare with your coins. Ebay, selling apps, Craigslist, FB. Fakes are all over. Due diligence is a must when buying secondary.. E1 and John Q turned me on to the basic book in the photo below.… Read more »

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Rick,

In retrospect I think it’s important to point out how exceedingly prescient you were with regard to your statement that there are “Many, many fakes out there.” Those slabbed 2024-S PR70 Kennedy Half Dollars that are currently for sale on eBay, and rather impossibly so long before the release of that particular coin by the US Mint, are but the latest instance of and evidence for the sort of numismatic skulduggery exactly along the lines of which you described in your above, earlier comment. Kudos, my exceptionally perceptive fellow collector!

East Coast Guru

I would send it in and ask for the packaging back in case you get a 69. Best of luck for a 70!

Rick

Good point!

John Q. Coinage

Rick in the day the. You bought a PCGS grading book, counterfeit guide,@ free slabbing coupon. PCGS has gone private w a very rich backer$ including Mets owner. Around some mid 80s as NGC close behind. Interesting thing is @ LCS they using PM detector on slabs!

Rick

Yeah the book is 20 yrs old now but today it’s still relevant, I guess the new counterfeits wouldn’t be in there. The book was used, the coupon is long gone! It’s all about the $$ now with the TPG’s, well, why wouldn’t it be? But their quality is hit or miss with me, a newer customer. Two problems in the last few weeks. 1) A mis-labeling that was intentional. 2) A reholder/fresh holder that left debris, and a fingerprint on the perfect coin, it wasn’t there before. Both are going back. They(graders)are under stress to grade too quickly &… Read more »

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Rick

If I owed a coin, or pawn shop? PM tester in hand as well !!

AKBob

I’ve learned over the years, especially in this high tech environment, if there’s a way to cheat, rip off, make money by cheating, there are many, too dam many, that will try AND worse yet, succeed in counterfeiting just about anything including coins! They can even make things look old, antiqued, and toned, etc. in order to trick unsuspecting folks. I could NEVER rip someone off!! I’ve been told by friends and family that I’m way too honest. I differ with them, I don’t think you can be too Honest, JMHO. Just because you or myself wouldn’t do it, there’s… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Congrats, AKBob, on getting not just one but three 2019-S Enhanced Reverse Proof Silver Eagles. You’re one lucky man!

AKBob

Rick, for Myself, and I only speak for myself, I’d keep it sealed/unopened and then send it to PCGS for grading! This is in regards to the L&B Gold coin. I have many sealed/unopened box’s from the Mint, yes I’ve been tempted numerous times but I hang in there and leave them alone. Believe me, I know how difficult it is, there’s been a few I wanted to open up that are coins I’ve never held or seen in person and there’s been times I hated keeping them sealed/unopened. It’s always your choice. I just want the best return I… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Excellent point, AKBob, about avoiding non-numismatic controversy here. Besides, who doesn’t know that no one is ever going to change anyone else’s mind anyway?

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Major D

No new article yet, so I’m adding to this one. Looking over the May 19 sales report I noticed that the 2024-W Proof ASE (24EA) had a weekly sales increase of 3,312. That’s 3x the sales increase from the week before. Perhaps people are sensing a price increase given that silver keeps going up? (up over $32/oz today). The Maine AI$ rolls and bags were just released on May 16 and already the P-Bag has a “Remind Me”. Here are the May 19 sales numbers, which after 4 days of sales are higher (all but the D-roll) than Illinois after… Read more »

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Major D,
I can only assume this has something to do with encouraging sales, but there’s no doubt this defibrillator is the only thing that has come between a sure death and a second chance at life for thousands of people who have experienced cardiac arrest.