Redesigned 2021-W Uncirculated American Silver Eagle Launch

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The United States Mint 2021-W Uncirculated American Silver Eagle should sell out soon after launching today at Noon ET.

2021-W Uncirculated American Silver Eagle
The 2021-W Uncirculated American Silver Eagle features a refreshed obverse (heads side) and a completely new reverse design (tails side)

This coin is struck as a collector-grade version of the U.S. Mint’s program of American Eagle silver bullion coins. Uncirculated editions actually debuted in 2006, succeeding the bullion program by twenty years.

This year’s coin has more going for it than perhaps all past issues, including a refreshed obverse, a brand new reverse, an edge variation, and a stated production limit of 175,000.

For reference, very early sales of some older issues reached: 100,499 (2020); 82,784 (2019); 89,482 (2018); 111,224 (2017); 134,925 (2016); 127,872 (2015); 106,349 (2014); 104,570 (2013); and 123,801 (2012). The 2011-W Uncirculated Silver Eagle eclipsed those numbers at 184,967 in its first four days owing to pent-up demand following a two-year program hiatus.

American Silver Eagle Designs

As they have since their introduction, obverses (heads side) of American Silver Eagles bear Adolph A. Weinman’s extremely popular "Walking Liberty" design which originated on the 1916-1947 half-dollars.

2021-W Uncirculated American Silver Eagle (obverse)
2021-W Uncirculated American Silver Eagle (obverse)

For 2021, the U.S. Mint refreshed the design by utilizing historical assets to more closely resemble the original artist’s work. It also added Weinman’s unique artist mark. Obverse inscriptions include "LIBERTY," "IN GOD WE TRUST," and "2021."

Emily Damstra created and Michael Gaudioso sculpted the new reverse design. It depicts an eagle as it approaches a landing, carrying an oak branch, as if to add it to a nest.

2021-W Uncirculated American Silver Eagle (reverse)
2021-W Uncirculated American Silver Eagle (reverse)

Inscriptions include "UNITED STATES OF AMERICA," "E PLURIBUS UNUM," "1 OZ. FINE SILVER," "ONE DOLLAR", the artists’ initials, and "W" which indicates the coin’s production at the West Point Mint.

Another new addition is a reed pattern variation on coin edges to assist in combating fakes.

Coin Specifications

Denomination: $1
Finish: Uncirculated
Composition: 99.9% Silver
Weight: 1.000 troy oz.
(31.103 grams)
Diameter: 1.598 inches
(40.60 mm)
Edge: Reeded
Mint and Mint Mark: West Point – W

 

Price & Ordering

Priced at $67, the 2021-W Uncirculated American Silver Eagle may be ordered directly from the Mint’s online store, located here.

Orders are limited to three per household for the first 24 hours of sales.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Courtesy of the (thankfully BOT-free) convenience of the U.S. Mint’s Enrollment Program, my order for three of the 2021-W Type 2 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles has already been confirmed. Hallelujah!

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JWP

I have 2 enrollments for 2 each, and both have been confirmed, I did the math and there are 30,652 orders confirmed when subtracting my 2 orders. Therefore an estimated 31,000 to 93,000 or more silver eagles may already be off the board before the 12 noon order process starts. The enrollment program is great.

Daniel

Bugger

Kaiser Wilhelm

Daniel,

A man of few words, but weighty ones indeed.

Daniel
Larry T

Daniel,

Now that’s a commercial I could watch several times and still find it to be funny as hell! That poor dog falling into the john…bugger! We here in the US have some of the dumbest commercials you can imagine. Another reason why I love the DVR.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry,

I’m with you there. Commercials drive me nuts and try my patience.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Daniel,

Now I get the “Bugger”. Thanks!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Daniel,

P.S. And by the way, thanks for sharing that hilarious commercial. Now those I wouldn’t mind nearly as much having to watch!

Larry T

JWP,

i also have 2 enrollments placed on this issue for a total of 12 little beauties coming my way! Both orders confirmed, and charged to my CC, on this good morning. I’ll be watching the feeding frenzy from the bleachers!

Dave

Just got my confirmation too – a stress free day

Larry T

Dave,

Congratulations on your purchase! A ‘stress free day’ is well earned this year. Let’s enjoy it while we can because you know what day is coming up.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry & Dave,

Don your flakjackets and tighten your tinpots; the confrontation cometh!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry,

Obviously you got your enrollments in before the 3 coin HOL was put into place. What a forward-thinking guy.

Enjoy your peanuts and Crackerjacks in the stands. Casey’s at bat!

Kaiser Wilhelm

JWP, Let’s not overlook the 17,500 Uncirculated Silver Eagles, the officially allotted 10% of the total mintage available, that have already been sold to the Mint’s 18 Authorized Bulk Purchasers, otherwise know as the “Advance Buyers”, all of whom are intentionally being kept anonymous. Incidentally, this exceedingly suspect program is one of the underhanded practices of the Mint that will likely be one of the principle issues undergoing intense scrutiny during the upcoming investigation by the Treasury Department’s Office of the Inspector General, especially since it was instituted without any consultation or explanation whatsoever, clearly lacks any organizational or financial… Read more »

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Uncle Sams Nephew

I agree that the coming investigation of the US Mint’s sales practices should reveal “suspected” questionable practices. But I’m not going to be surprised if they state:

“Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, we are unable to reach that judgment. Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the US Mint committed a crime, it also does not exonerate them.”

But in view of the rights of “We The People who collect coins”, I wonder if the Freedom of Information laws could demand that this Advanced Buyers King Midas Club can be exposed. 

Kaiser Wilhelm

Uncle Sams Nephew,

The recent F.O.I. requesting the release of the identities of the 18 Approved Bulk (Advance) Purchasers is being blithely ignored by the Mint, so I don’t know how much good another attempt at one of these will do.

Victor

Did I see it correctly that the household limit is 25 coins if you are enrolled in the program?

Kaiser Wilhelm

Victor,

For this release it was 3. It varies with each Mint item sold.

Paul

Got the email at 12:58 this morning that my order for 2 coins via the enrollment program is confirmed.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Paul,

Congrats on your success! Easy peasy, as they say.

Paul

Thanks, I just wish I had enrollments for the proof SAEs.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Paul,

Well, now you know. It will serve you well in the future.

Big T

Ah but not so fast grasshopper, does your privileged VIP ‘enrollment plan’, saved only for the highest most of the clearly entitled, include the upcoming 2 coin reverse proof ASE set for next week? Will you be so chipper on the day? Smoke them while you got em today, because the US Mint will be working you hard next week my dear (German?) friend!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Big T, Oh, you are one funny guy. You and I both know that the Enrollment Program is open to everyone and that there is nothing of the privileged and entitled involved with it. I would wager that the biggest users – and in my opinion abusers – of it are not collectors like us but the Flippers, Buying Clubs, Big Coin Companies and Mike Mezacks of the world who always reserve as many coins as the Household Order Limits will allow. Speaking of next Monday regarding the release of the Two Coin Reverse Proof ASE Set, the above listed… Read more »

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Big T,

Minor adjustment. Austrian-American, not German-American. Gemuetlichkeit, not Sturm und Drang.

Rich

Same here Sir Kaiser, enrollments fulfilled smoothly and even the online ordering is hassle-free for this coin today. As of 12:40pm ET, at the time of this writing, it is still available to purchase online (thanks to the HHL of 3).

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rich,

Sometimes, something has to go right. What a relief.

Carl

Here we go AGAIN. Just as happened with my enrollments for the new reverse of the 2021-W and 2021-S, my enrollment for the 2021-W unc wasn’t filled even though I received an email to confirm that my information was correct. So I’ll be there at noon today to hopefully get 1 coin. I feel like Charlie Brown playing football with the US Mint, hopefully I’ll kick it.

Larry T

Carl,

On the ‘My Products Enrollments’ page of the Mints website there should be a checked ‘active’ box next to each of your enrollments. I’m assuming it is checked and was just curious what response the Mint gave you for not fulfilling your enrollments. Sorry for your frustrating circumstance!

Ron Patton

They filled all coins that I chose. Took awhile to receive tho.

Richard Margolis

My enrollment for 3 coins worked. Status is shipped. This is the quickest response I ever had from the mint

Kaiser Wilhelm

Richard,

Outstanding. That must be some sort of record!

Mike Hunt

Carl —
The same thing happened to me. But since I had not received an order confirmation before the official release time, I looked on the site and found that somehow the enrollment had been removed!
After at least 10 tries at ordering, I removed my order (very risky) and started all over again. After another couple of attempts it was confirmed. AS of 9:17 Pacific Time it still shows you can order it, albeit on “back order”.
Very frustrating and disconcerting.
—Mike

Kaiser Wilhelm

Mike Hunt,

I am flabbergasted that this “disappearance of Enrollments” keeps happening like it just did to you. And then you are left with a Back Order for December; how unfair and weird is that?

Big T

sounds like something is wrong with your credit card. that has happened to me in the past with another product enrollment. Unfortunately, if this is the case it will be “back of the line” for you. Order quickly!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Big T,

I hadn’t thought of that possibility for all these folks who have had their Enrollment seemingly “erased” from their accounts today. Then again, there may well be any number of reasons to have ones Enrollment nullified, none of them serving to make one feel any better about it, I’m sure.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Carl,

On the surface there is simply no way this should or could be happening, and more than once at that. I see that Larry has already addressed one possible obstacle to your successful enrollment, and there could be others. For example, did you plug your numbers in before the warning notice about adding to your enrollment(s) appeared at the top of the page? If not, even if you just put one in it wouldn’t take.

I sure hope you have better luck with this in the future!

Carl

It was marked active 2 days ago. I have found that the ones that you can speak to in customer service can really tell you nothing of how this happens and unfortunately they are the only ones to call about anything. Very frustrating to say the least. Somehow I doubt I’m the only one having this problem with enrollments.

Carl

I have 12 enrollments and the only ones that there has been a problem with are for the silver American Eagles. I like the enrollment program for convenience and the free shipping on all purchases in the loyalty program.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Carl,

That adds to my suspicions because those are the only enrollments that have had the warning notice about additions. As I said before, if you signed up for even one solitary Eagle after the warning appeared your enrollment of it would be nullified when it came time for these coins to be released, as in today. Just sayin’.

Larry T

Kaiser,

That’s precisely why I didn’t touch my enrollment amounts (either up or down) for fear it would nullify everything. By the way, just to test the Mint, I placed an order for 3 additional 2021 W Unc ASE’s and it went through! I already have 12 confirmed coins coming by way of the enrollment and want to see if they catch and cancel this order. Any thoughts on why the coins are still on ‘Backorder?’

Antonio

I suppose all who ordered today started out with Backorder. I’ve received my confirmation email and will wait for the product to arrive, after all, a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry T,

Smart man indeed. I keep my paws away from those figures for fear of exactly that, which is possibly setting off a domino effect of cancellations, God forbid.

I’m not sure what to say about the “Back Order” thing. Mine are “Processing” and at least one or two others here have said their orders indicate “Shipped”, so apparently that status report is all over the place.

Phil

Kaiser,

I’m not sure if the status report you refer to is with regard to enrollments only or not. But, I’ve mentioned on here before that my order history (I’m not in enrollments) has several orders listed as processing that I’ve received long ago. I put 0 stock into what I see as order status on the site.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Phil,

I wouldn’t be able to speak to that as I’ve never found the Shipping Status column of my Order History to be anything but spot on. Right now all my past orders register as Shipped, today’s coin order is described as Processing, and the eight Morgan and Peace Silver Dollars I pre-ordered are on Back Order. All is well in the world of Mint Orders as far as I can tell.

Phil

Maybe it’s my phone, lol. My Liberty Horse Coin is listed as processing right now while it’s in the palm of my hand. & that’s 1 of several. Some from yrs ago. I dunno, but you may see why I care not what their status says. Haa

Kaiser Wilhelm

Phil, Or maybe I’ve been just plain lucky in that regard; I mean, something has to be working on my very own Mint page…or does it? Then again, there is the reality that you have that gorgeous Liberty Horse Gold in your possession while in that regard I have exactly bupkus. In fact, I only have two gold coins and both of them are 1/10 ounce. Speaking of which, I’ve seen the 1/25 ounce Austrian Gold Philharmonic online; I suppose when you buy one of those it’s time to invest in a pretty good loupe. By the way, what is… Read more »

Phil

Kaiser,

There’s a niche that’s into art on the head of a pin. Maybe something similar with a coin that size?

Now, imagine the interest if it’s mass was a Troy oz…

Kaiser Wilhelm

Phil,

That might actually be the sort of coinage employed by the unbelievably flat beings on the surface of a neutron star.

Hmmm…I wonder if they do the Neutron Dance?

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HugoRossBoss

The new 2021 Eagle design resemble the old 1950 American Airlines Logo

Antonio

I see you’re not the only one who noticed that.

HugoRossBoss

Similarities

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Big T

interesting observation. Personally I am not a big fan of the new design. I really like the new gold eagle reverse, however.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Big T,

I wasn’t so sure about it at first either, but at least in my case it’s grown on me.

Kaiser Wilhelm

HugoRossBoss,

I love the old logos and the fabulous airline and general travel posters that they were featured on. I hate to sound like an old fogey (even though I am one) but they just don’t make posters like that anymore; back then they were more likely to attract your exceedingly rapt attention because they showed some authentic pizzazz!

Larry T

Kaiser,

Don’t ever apologize for having good taste and lots of hard earned wisdom.You are astute in describing the pizzazz as ‘authentic.’ Those posters were art and still are sought after by many today, at some hefty price tags! Same for old signs with a company’s brand/logo. Everything today appears to be computer generated…Ugh!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry,

Many thanks for the extremely positive and supportive sentiment!

You are so right about the creativity and craft that were poured into those travel and product posters of yore, and I’m right there with you in a high regard for and true appreciation of those ornamentally unmatched metal signs of the first half of the twentieth century.

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sam tweedy

Can that “BIRD” fly with that “TURKEY” leg for a wing !!! Don’t forget to tell the U S Mint you are “HUMAN” sorry page not found, try again try again try again!!!!

Dave

I found that if you turn off tracking protection & disable any adblocker programs (using FireFox) in your browser you won’t get that “HUMAN” BS

Kaiser Wilhelm

Dave,

Great advice; thanks!

Kaiser Wilhelm

sam,

That “turkey leg” is otherwise known as “perspective”; it’s how artists depict objects at a greater distance than the image(s) in the forefront.

Sorry if I spoiled your Thanksgiving.

Kaiser Wilhelm

sam tweedy,

By the way, old buddy, does the Exclamation Mark know it has such a very big fan?

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Larry T

Kaiser,

I guess he really, really, really.really wants to make a point! LOL

Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry,

I think I’m beginning to realize that!!!!!!!

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Daniel

All this palaver over a coin which isn’t a proof.

sam tweedy

Some people will just buy anything, like ugly “BAT” quarters, But then again this coin can be displayed on the mantle with them !!!! Lol>>>>>

Daniel

LOL!
That’s brilliant

Kaiser Wilhelm

sam,

Numismatic coinage is art, and as we know all art is subjective. Any particular coin that might not appeal at all to one individual could be another person’s idea of a masterpiece. A coin isn’t “ugly” or “beautiful”; it is to you only what you think it is.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

sam,

How could you not warn us?

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Larry T

Kaiser,

I love that design of the fruit bats and it looks spectacular on a 5 oz. plate of silver! You must’ve collected a rare variety of the coin as mine didn’t come with the ‘face mask!’

Big T

I actually prefer the uncirculated (ie. barnished?) finish myself.

Antonio

Yeah, is this one barnished (or is it burnished) or uncirculated? I thought barnished is uncirculated with a mint mark.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Antonio,

Yes, it is burnished rather than barnished, but it doesn’t mean uncirculated with a Mint Mark, unless of course you were just joking anyway.

Maybe “barnished” means banished to the barn.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Bit T,

Many people do prefer this particular finish. It’s major appeal is that it looks like something you would see in the “real world” and not just secured in a collection.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Daniel,

Proofs are admittedly beautiful but they are not meant for circulation. There is definitely something to be said about a coin which most resembles money you would carry around with you, whether now or a hundred years ago. I really think that Uncirculated Eagles demonstrate a different sort of visual appeal which while perhaps not as overtly dramatic as a Proof is however intrinsically still exceptionally striking.

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Antonio

I definitely notice the difference between an uncirculated coin bought from the Mint and one I get from circulation. I prefer a roll of uncirculated coins than one I receive from the Mint. Shiny is better than dull in my eyes.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Antonio,

I’m assuming that you’re talking about the difference between the numismatic quality “burnished” uncirculated coins that the Mint sells either individually or in sets on its website as opposed to the business strike uncirculated coins that the Mint sells in rolls both on its website and also directly to the Federal Reserve for distribution to banks.

In other words, all the rolls of coins you get, no matter where you get them from, originally come from the Mint.

Antonio

Yes, but I prefer the circulation uncirculated over the mint set uncirculated. Some of the older coins are fabulous to look at.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Antonio,

Okay, now that we’re on the same wavelength I entirely get what you’re saying. And by the way, that’s a good point.

Daniel

If you are in the right place at the right time, sometimes you can jag both. When I was 14 I started in working what the US calls an off-track betting agency. As a kid with a penchant for collecting coins, it was a godsend. A high volume cash handling environment, where I could replace the coins in my pocket, with better examples as they came underneath the glass pane from the customer base. Whilst it might differ with my own moral compass, gambling (especially on horses) is unfortunately part of the Australian story … and a 14 year old… Read more »

Daniel

Whoops, forgot photo

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Larry T

Daniel, Thanks for sharing that story with us. I thought you were a smart IT individual based on those videos of your buying setup, but am even more impressed that you had such a discerning eye at age 14! I got the coin bug as a young boy attending a Catholic school. I was an alter boy and was responsible for collecting the coins and bills from the parishioners. Back in the 60’s you would find a lot of silver coins in the basket, so when I served in Mass, I always made sure to have a couple dollars with… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry, When I think of those days now I can’t believe the sheer number of silver and other treasures that slipped through my hands on a regular, everyday basis from the mid-1950s on. All of those amazing dimes, quarters and half dollars that I spent, without giving it the slightest bit of thought, on cheeseburgers and fries, cokes and grape soda, movies and popcorn, comic books and ice cream cones; the list is endless. Coin after beautiful coin, ones that are considered to be treasures now meant nothing in themselves and represented only what they could buy. I’m quite sure… Read more »

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Antonio

I remember. My dad had the coins. I kept the Buffalo nickels and Mercury dimes, which I still have. The Standing Liberty quarters were so worn, they had no date. I only was given three by my dad and remember spending one on a 1907 Indian Head cent out of a coin vending machine. I suppose that was a good trade. I’ve also kept all the Wheaties I ever found, since the ’60s. Never came across half dollars except for the Kennedy ones. Then when we moved to Canada, I kept all the silver George VI coins I came across… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Antonio,

That was very prescient of you, not to mention a great way to start a collection. I understand about the Standing Liberty quarters; they were always the first denomination to lose their dates. The Wheat cents had a much more appealing design than their successors; I sometimes wish they had never changed. And be sure to hold on to those Silver King George VI coins and the now-extinct Canadian cents; I’ll bet they will slowly but surely increase in value.

JWP

I’ve always thought about making change from the offering plate as it was past through the aisles at church but I guess I just wasn’t fast enough. LOL

Kaiser Wilhelm

JWP,

Now there is where some well practiced sleight of hand skills would have come in very handy.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Daniel,

That is a wonderful story and I thank you for sharing it. I find it amazing that you were both so ambitious and aware at that young age. I took a look at the coins via the link; that is one seriously gorgeous set!

Just out of curiosity, I am wondering if you had cleared what you were doing with the owners of the establishment beforehand because otherwise I can only imagine that putting your hands into your pocket repeatedly in an all-cash business would have been a recipe for disciplinary – or worse – disaster.

Daniel

The float had to balance at the end of each shift. Any discrepancy was mine alone. My worst was when a customer did a scam on me and I ended up $3,100 short at the end of the shift. Not a good day, and I had to replace it immediately the next day. My shift ended at 10:30pm … I rang the boss at 11:00pm and told him. He came to the store and I remember wondering why he seemed so panicked. I was the one feeling bad, and my gut was churning that I had to withdraw all of… Read more »

Larry T

Daniel,

Sounds like the making of a ‘Mr.Inbetween’ episode.One that ends with Ray parking his car in some remote wooded area and he gets out of his car with a shovel in his hand and…

Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry & Daniel,

Having seen one too many gangster movies in my time I would have envisioned a different scenario, one in which Daniel’s boss informed him that the dark powers that be had decreed that unless the money was replaced asap somebody was either being fitted for cement overshoes or taking a dirt nap before the night was over.

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Daniel

You probably won’t see this reply, but I am very intrigued by the Mr Inbetween reference. As someone with a shaved head, an inappropriate moustache and have been told in the workplace that I made a female colleague feel uneasy because I seemed “creepy”, Ray is a bit of a reflection on my own life. The fact that the show is also filmed in Sydney around areas I am familiar with, it is also fun to play “spoto” when watching it, as it is interesting seeing your backyard on the big/small screen. I am just surprised an American knew of… Read more »

Larry T

Daniel, Believe it or not, but Mr. Inbetween is a popular show here. I’ve been following it for several years now as it is interesting to see how life in your country is visualized. I heard that the series has been terminated, as the lead actor is moving on to other projects. That’s a shame since I enjoyed watching Ray wasting all those ‘bad guys!’ Thanks for the movie recommendation, I’ll do a google search and hopefully I’ll find one. By the way, did you secure one (or a few?) of those Reverse Proof Designer Sets? I believe most of… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Daniel,

That brings back memories. I don’t think I’ve palavered this much since just before the Battle of Little Bighorn.

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JWP

I just click on the coin and at 12 noon it was listed as BACK ORDER! WHATS UP/ dID THE ENROLLMENTS EAT UP THE 175,000 UNITS BEFORE 12 NOON?

Victor

Did you place an order anyway? You better hurry up or back order will be gone too.

erv

Same here. I noticed that the back order ship date was December 14th. Hopefully it will be here by Christmas.

Victor

Never mind. I see you have signed up for enrollment.

Kaiser Wilhelm

JWP, You did the math yourself on the Enrollments (which by the way you may well have seriously underestimated) so you know how deeply that would have eaten into the total number of coins available. I subsequently pointed out that another 10% right off the top had already gone to the Mint’s select advance buyers. Whatever amount was left was inevitably divided among a horde of independent Flippers, the thousands of minions of the various Buyers Clubs, and the multitude of people engaged as agents by the large professional re-sellers. As you can see, that doesn’t leave a lot of… Read more »

Antonio

MS68 vs MS70 coins. : P

Kaiser Wilhelm

Antonio,

I’m not sure what you mean by that. If you have any interest in explaining, I’m all ears.

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Antonio

The dealers/advance buyers get the higher graded coins and the rest of us get the lower graded ones. At least ordering from the Mint, I don’t pay the full price being asked, sometimes.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Antonio,

I understand your point and your accompanying suspicions, and I would have them also knowing how sleazy the Mint can be, except that I doubt the Mint is equipped to make that determination in advance on behalf of their well to do co-conspirators.

What I believe happens is that the Mint allows their favored customers to buy more than each of them needs knowing full well that they will only keep the ones that grade “70” and return the rest to the Mint for a refund. Then those lower grade returns get sold to us, naturally.

Victor

I tried 7 time and on the 8th my order went through for 3.

Are enrollments still available?

Kaiser Wilhelm

Victor,

Enrollments for all of the 2021 Type 2 American Silver Eagles were, due to the by then obvious extremely high demand, put on embargo by the Mint well over a month ago.

FViia

Wow, that was a very different experience. Kept telling me I was no good, verify human, verify human, nope you are no good pal… then I switched to my phone to login and my cart was -0-, then my phone chimed that there was a CC charge and a receipt was showing in the website. Crazy !!!

Antonio

I had to resubmit my order three times but it did go through. Now I only wait for a confirmation email. It did say backorder but that may be the process the Mint is employing now. I hesitated for a couple of seconds and got to submitting my order anyway. So now I wait and see if the Mint didn’t oversell to subscribers and favorite dealers.

FViia

Just got confirmation email.

Kaiser Wilhelm

FViia,

Good for you. One more happy customer, and we know the Mint could sure use some more of those these days!

FViia

Yes. They have now reached out and touched me for potential feedback. Anyone else get an email for potential input?

Kaiser Wilhelm

Antonio,

Your last sentence says it all. Clearly there is one less person the Mint can mystify now.

Antonio

Well, I got my confirmation email about an hour and a half after I got acceptance of my order. I’m still waiting on my W ASE Type 2 proof. Have received my S already.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Antonio,

However long are they going to keep you waiting for that 2021-W Type 2 Proof American Silver Eagle? You should have received that weeks ago! What’s up with that?

Antonio

Says it’s on backorder.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Antonio,

Yep, and the check is in the mail.

Just kidding.

Kaiser Wilhelm

FViia,

Experience yes, different no. This has long become Standard Operating Procedure.

harryg

Hi folks. I just ordered 2 and it was confirmed by the mint. Not without some troubles however where it takes you in circles such as back to the order page to submit the order again and “page not found” etc. but it did eventually go through. I was nervous about getting any at all due to all the folks that were pre registered which I did not do.

Kaiser Wilhelm

harryg,

Spare your nerve endings and sign up for Enrollments; it’s the only way to go!

harryg

Good advice, I am learning as I go because I am very new to this. Thanks.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

harryg,

Welcome to the club, and I mean that in more ways than one. I have been collecting for 62 years (since I was 12) and I still learn something new about coins almost every single day. In fact, I’ve already added to my knowledge on this very thread here today!

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Finbar Higgins

No problems at all. Completed my purchase in 15 seconds. Wow.. Back ordered but , WOW.. Still available at 12:12..

Finbar Higgins

In stock date December 14th.. What’s up with that?

Victor

It’s corona time.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Victor,

Not again. I’m getting so tired of this Corona virus.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Finbar,

The Mint likely has a lot of order reconciling to do and possibly also a backlog of minting, so I would imagine they’re giving themselves a comfortable margin of time to complete this task.

Victor

I look at it this way. I don’t think they have problem minting coins, heck they made records minting this year. You go to the bank and they short on coins. The distribution is the problem because of shutdowns and shortage of workers. All this buy-now-ship-later, much later, is going to be very difficult to fulfill due to new impediment in the form of vaccines mandate recently announced by Biden.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Finbar,

You do realize what you just said, right? Back Ordered at 12:12. Yikes!

gary

Instantly on back order 1 second past 12 noon so it let me purchase it anyway & when i got to part 4 confirm purchase i got a page that said ,can’t find the page your looking for. I don’t care its not a special coin anyway .Will get an sp70 for 30 bucks more in a month or so.170,000 is not rare

gary

These are not the droids your looking for so i am not obi one can obi and i tried again at 12:15 and got thru and got confirmation this time

gary

Now its 12:30 and pinehurst just offered me 95.00 for the coin how about that

Victor

When do they get them in hand?

Kaiser Wilhelm

Victor,

They will pay people like Gary (if he were to sell to them, that is) the paltry $28 premium – like, can they help it – and then put that same coin up for sale as an encapsulated MS70 at $200 to $300 or more. What a racket.

Kaiser Wilhelm

gary,

Pinehurst is one of the most notorious profiteers in the country. They are no more than a corporate version of Mike “Have I Got A Deal For You” Mezack. They will turn that around and sell it for double (or more) of what they offered you.

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Coinman

Kaiser,
My astute friend, I respectfully feel a need to correct you again; the name is Mike “Not Enough Coins” Mezack.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Coinman,

Apparently that slyer than a fox patented snake oil salesman goes by a veritable multitude of money-referenced monikers. Originally I thought for sure his nom de coinage was Mike “Sold Out Limited Edition” Mezack, but then, what do I know.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

gary,

You keep making claims like that and the Evil Mint Emperor will come looking for you.

Kaiser Wilhelm

gary,

I would bet bet dollars to donuts that a MS70 will quite likely exceed your projected $30 premium. Any coin that essentially sold out before it went on sale is probably going to go for more than that, but then, I’m really just guessing here.

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Larry T

Kaiser,

I know your are just guessing, but I’d say that was a very intelligent guess to make. I’d think the cheapest you’d get a MS70 for would be around $120 and that’s assuming they don’t mint an extra 100K coins! I can’t figure out why the coin is still listed as Backorder when the limit is set at 175,000. I think they’ll end up minting more than that, the only question is ‘how many more?’

Dave

MCM has MS69 for pre order @$125-130 Range

Kaiser Wilhelm

Dave,

And since we know how much of a dollar leap there is between MS69 and MS70, wait until the latter appear on the market!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry,

I honestly don’t think there will be any more of these coins made. We know the Mint is in cahoots with the dealer/re-sellers and as a result caters to them in every way possible. Why then would the Mint suddenly want to operate at cross-purposes by torpedoing their cohorts’ price levels by diluting the value of the product by making it less scarce?

In regard to the Back Order status, my best guess is that some of the coins haven’t made it to the Distribution Center yet so this the only category they can assign them to for now.

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Daniel

I’m thinking this “Launch with a status of Back order” is not going to end well. People should temper their excitement.

it is still available to claim … though I have two orders for different households, with order numbers so far apart, it would indicate that the entire allotment has been claimed several times over.

erv

There is not a mintage limit for this coin, just a product limit. It would not surprise me if they kept it on back order and will offer a different packaging for those that still want it once the 175,000 product limit is reached.

Big T

I wonder if this is because this will be one of the two ASEs contained in the limited mint set coming this year. I assumed they would both be proof but maybe not.

RAV

The limited edition silver set costs $235 and contains a W mint type 1 proof and a S mint type 2 proof, both of which have already been released.

Antonio

Whoohoo! I just saved $235! \O/

Kaiser Wilhelm

Antonio,

I get what you’re saying, that we already have these coins anyway, but then again, that sure is one swell looking set!

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Antonio

I have my eyes on the reverse proofs. I prefer that set, also, not as expensive.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Big T,

If that were the case there would have been a numerical Mintage Limit published above the amount listed for the Product Limit of this coin.

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harryg

I read right on the site that the limit for this very coin (W) was 175,000. Mintage limit none. Product limit 175,000. Can someone clarify?

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Kaiser Wilhelm

harryg,

The Product Limit is the ultimate arbiter for the quantity of any one item available. Since this coin is not being released by the Mint in any other format, the Product Limit is the Mintage Limit.

Kaiser Wilhelm

erv,

There is likely more misunderstanding regarding the meaning of the lack of a published Mintage Limit than any other subject having to do with the Mint.

If there is a Product Limit and no separate Mintage Limit that is because that coin product is only being sold in one format and as such the Product Limit is the Mintage Limit.

harryg

Thank you very much for that very clear explanation. I try to assist in editing a coin swapping catalog and I must have very precise explanations and language in order to have my submissions admitted to the catalog as gospel. I will submit 175,000 for this particular Eagle. Your explanation really helps in that effort.

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Scarecrow

harryg & Kaiser, Or, the limits sometimes don’t apply as commented a couple of times before in other articles. For instance, the type 2 ASE W caused a lot of consternation to us. The US Mint had no mintage limit and a production limit of 300,000. Who would have thought that the mint would exceed their 300,000 limit or that bulk purchases have their OWN product number. So 2142 lots of 40 coins bulk purchases were also sold and did not count against the 300,000 in the “product limit”. In total as of Sept 5, 396,161 ASE W type 2… Read more »

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harryg

Thank you for that feedback. I happened to notice that detail while trying to edit the swap catalog about the proof W and was confused about it so I canceled my edit attempt on that particular coin for that very reason. We are still attempting to figure out how to and whether to categorize and distinguish those kinds of details as separate or ignore it altogether and just lump them together. Still in the discussion phase. Thanks again.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Scarecrow,

This whole scenario proved to be a very clever manipulation of numbers by the Mint. As I previously stated, if there is no Mintage Limit for an item then the Product Limit applies as is.

The Mint managed to stay true to this standard by giving the Bulk Product its own Product Number and was thereby able to keep distinct all the counts for the Bulk Product’s Mintage from those of the individual coin’s Product (aka Mintage) Limit.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

harryg,

You’re entirely welcome, and it is indeed my pleasure.

I think it’s great that you are so involved in the preparation of that catalog; what a fabulous project to have gotten involved with! I feel honored to know that I have contributed in some small way toward that enterprise, and thanks for letting me know that.

Larry T

Kaiser,

I know that and you obviously know that I, but does the US Mint know that? By the way, I just got notification that one of my orders for this coin has been shipped.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry,

I don’t believe I have any way of being able to answer that, but in any case I think what is far more important is what the Mint intends.

Congrats on your shipped order; the Coin Gods are clearly with you.

Larry T

Kaiser,

Let’s just hope and pray the Coin Gods favor us one more time (on Monday 12 noon) and my year of coin collecting will be a hugh success.I see that the 2021 W Unc ASE has finally gone to ‘Remind Me’ status! I do hope you are correct about the mintage limit.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry, As for Monday, I’m going into that with High Hopes…and a bit of down to earth realism tucked into my back pocket just in case. According to all the observations I have been able to make, my latest analysis of the true meaning of Mintage and Product Limits should be upheld as such by events. That being said, however, and as we all now know, the Mint is still free to make as many additional pressings as it wants to thanks to its separately tallied Authorized Bulk Purchase Program, a convenient device it pulls out of its seemingly bottomless… Read more »

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Victor

Agree! I bought many coins but have yet to receive 1.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Victor,

You are saying that of all coins you ordered and paid for none at all have arrived yet. What is going on there, and if there is no logical explanation for this “nothingness” why are you even bothering to order from the Mint anymore?

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Victor

Honestly, with such a rush to order before the coins run out I did not payed attention to when I will get them. I’m talking about Eagles, Morgans, and Peace. I certainly did no expect to get them 1/2 a year later.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Daniel,

Your foreboding regarding this situation is likely well-founded. This may be one of those instances where Back Orders will be cancelled as need for that arises.

Carl

Success! Got 1 on 6th attempt to checkout.

TiredOfIdiots

After half a dozen of the stupid “page not found” errors got my order in about 10 after.

Big T

Despite being unable to get the two previous ‘proof’ versions (and no, I am not on the enrollment because it is and has been sold out for this year) due to the usual ‘prove your a human’ and other internet issues all previously described, I was able to log on and (nearly) seamlessly purchase one my first successful ASE this year! It was, however, on ‘back order’ but that is better than “remind me” that has so often been the case this year. Next up: the double set RP coming next week (does your enrollment plan cover that one, boys… Read more »

TiredOfIdiots

I imagine the double RPs are going to have a whole lot more demand (resulting in stupid web site failures and ‘prove you’re human’) than we saw today. But I’ll be there with you on Monday trying.

Kaiser Wilhelm

TiredOfIdiots,

It’s not the increased demand of collectors that will turn the proceedings into a nightmare, it will be the frenzied efforts of all the thousands of commissioned agents of the Flippers, Buying Clubs and Big Dealers who will shred the Mint’s website as they do their utmost to abscond with all those Reverse Proof Sets.

Larry T

Big T

I think you mean your ‘Ag’ 1921 Peace Dollar. Au is Gold on the Periodic Chart. Of course if you do actually have a gold 1921 Peace Dollar, them you did hit the jackpot!

erv

I think he is conveying that the coins appears uncirculated to his eye, which is the AU condition. But they came back as mint state, MS. He is not referring to the metal content.

Kaiser Wilhelm

erv,

Okay, got it now. “A” with big “U’ is About Uncirculated, A with little “u” is Gold.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Big T, Well, that was an interesting “bad news, good news” variation of that old trope about “which do you want to hear first?” I really liked all the, so to speak, “gruesome” details. There’s no doubt that Monday will be another bloodbath and I harbor no illusions about having much of, if indeed any at all of a chance of scoring one of these beauties for my collection, but that’s the way it’s been for several years now whenever something really special comes down the pike. Sure enough, the very next day that untouchable item is on sale all… Read more »

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FViia

Any guesses as to what happened? Found an extra tote of silver blanks in the warehouse? Someone F’d the website? Trying to get ahead of the bad press for next week? Math error? Delta?

Kaiser Wilhelm

FViia,

I’m not sure what is supposed to have happened, but I certainly wouldn’t mind being apprised of same. As in, “What’s up, Doc?”

RogerF

Never received a confirmation on my enrollment for the burnished ASE so I went online and backordered another one. My enrollment was still marked active from when I turned in on several months ago.Maybe missed the window for this year?

I also noticed the status of my mint set enrollment was turned off so I turned it back on. Not sure what was up with that but the page looks redesigned since I last checked (checkbox instead of slider button?).

Kaiser Wilhelm

Roger,

On the one hand it’s been updated, but on the other the ATB coin stuff still has lots of now extinct line items. Not too sure exactly whose hand is at the helm of the particulars of the Enrollment Page and why.

Jeff

Total cluster-F. Was signed in, browser-verified 10 minutes early. At the proper moment, immediately got “back order” notice. Still, clicked to add to cart. Tried 8 times to checkout. Multiple messages ranging from “processing don’t refresh,” “check that cookies aren’t disabled” to prove “you’re a human (4Xs with no success).” Then, website forced me to sign out and reset my password. It had erased my previously-successful, long-time, log-in, thumbprint-verified iPad account AND password information! Logged by in with a new “strong password” chosen by Safari/iPad. Still could not checkout. Forced to add a new CC. Finally, after a half hour… Read more »

Jeff

Another observation: Even though I had logged in ten minutes early, and website had “verified” my browser, I was repeatedly asked if I wanted to “checkout as a guest.” Why? I’m already logged on. And I could not checkout as a “guest.” And I was asked if I wanted to “create an account.” Why? After missing out on the Morgan CC and O due to website problems, I had been *successfully struggling, but making, new purchases since. I had a routine down to take on this website. How sad. I mean, my small farmer friend Deb can sell her Annie… Read more »

Larry T

Jeff,

All of us that have confirmed orders placed for the various Morgans and Peace Dollars have them currently listed as ‘Backordered.’ I wouldn’t worry about them. These 2021 W Unc SAE’s on ‘Backorder’, I’m not too sure! It does seem the Mint likes to throw us curve balls just for the fun of it.

Jeff

Larry, About “curveballs”: If the Mint was another business — pick one, Apple, Target, Amazon, Domino’s, a Napa winery, a rideshare — is this endless string of (website, production, communication, customer service, leadership) trouble the kind of experience that you would rate highly? An 8-10? A score that says, “Great experience. I would recommend to family and friends”? No way. It’s a 1, at BEST. Clear swing-and-a-miss. Time and again. I’m turned off. Epic, continuing track wreck. Mint/Government hassles … oh, and all run on your “dime.” I’m done collecting that dime. The operation is broken. Today was far from… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Jeff, The Mint is an acquired taste, and a rather nasty one at that. If you can allow yourself to be blissfully cynical and hopelessly optimistic simultaneously, that is a good start for engaging with the Mint. Just remember the Mint is not your friend and they don’t give a flying fark about you or whether you ever actually succeed in acquiring a coin from them or not. The Mint will do fine even if we all hate it – which of course we do – because it doesn’t depend on us for its continued existence. It has to keep… Read more »

Larry T

Kaiser,

You have a way with words..’The Mint is an acquired taste’ is simply true and hilarious at the same time. You should be writing for some of those late night talk shows. I hear they could use some humor injected into their monologues!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry,

It’s only fun for me because I do it for the sheer joy of writing and as such am not subject to the pressure that writing for a living inevitably brings. Nevertheless, many thanks for the kind words.

Coinman

Once again, you nailed it Kaiser! Bravo!!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Coinman,

I have used his words before, but Elvis cannot be quoted enough, so once more I say “Thank yuh, thank yuh very much.”

I will now be leaving the building.

Jeff

Kaiser,
I’ve read this reply four times now. It’s superb. Perspective and solid reality. Thank you for taking the time to post.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Jeff,

Consume those words as many times as you like, my friend, we’ll make more.

I very much appreciate your extremely uplifting feedback; this sort of very positive take on my little contributions definitely encourages me to redouble my efforts.

Victor

I have not received a single coin I ordered this year.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Jeff,

All the Morgan Dollars and the Peace Dollar are on Back Order for everybody since those were “Pre-Orders”.

The reason you couldn’t get the Morgan CC or O is because that was the day one or more Buying Clubs launched their massive BOT attack that monopolized the website until all the coins were gone.

Regarding all those difficulties you had today I haven’t a clue. Got caught in the wake turbulence of a flying flustercuck, I suppose. Get set for another and much worse one on Monday.

Rich

Still available for back-order purchase online at 2:30pm ET, 2.5 hours past launch time. Apparently the 2021 ASE Type 2 uncirculated, burnished finish coin is not experiencing as high of demand as the 2021 ASE Type 2 & Type 1 proofs, even with a lower sale price and product limit.

FViia

Maybe one of the approved Bulk Purchase Program members is no longer approved (due to violation of rules). That would be welcome news.

FViia

I am going to reply to myself on this. Hope I do not get banned, but take a look here, maybe the USMint has this all figured out? Maybe the new normal is backorder until they can vet the purchase, based on previous purchases? I remember suggesting this in a letter to the USMint after the 19XE fiasco. Consider me right if 1 second after Noon on Monday next week everything is backorder.

https://www.coinworld.com/news/us-coins/mint-officials-identify-scope-of-bots-in-online-sales

Kaiser Wilhelm

FViia,

That was just the Mint blowing its usual smoke. As it turned out it was a big Buying Club that had unleashed all the BOTS that started that whole brouhaha.

Antonio

Or maybe buyers prefer proof coins over uncirculated ones. Just a thought.

FViia

OK, Maybe. 80-94% Uncirculated vs San Francisco:

19EG (UNC) 138,139
19EM (S) 146,735
20EG (UNC) 154,281
20EM (S) 191,365

Kaiser Wilhelm

Antonio,

Anything could be the case in that regard, but I doubt this sale went any worse than the others; in fact, it might even have been bigger.

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Phil

I’m def surprised it’s still available on backorder compared to how quickly the others became unavailable. I was expecting another ordering process taking at at least 15-20 mins. I got in & out in about 2 mins, which was nice.

But, not letting my guard down. Preparing for war Mon. Lol

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rich,

The actual coinage sold out less than fifteen minutes past noon. Whatever people were “buying” after that in the form of “Back Orders” will have to come from orders cancelled for faulty credit cards, buyers remorse returns, or re-seller rejections of coins that graded below 70. If an insufficient number of those occur, there will be a lot of Back Orders cancelled unilaterally by the Mint.

Rich

Sir Kaiser, thank you for the clarification on the “back order” status. For what its worth, here are the US Mint’s definitions of “back order, currently unavailable, and sold out: What do Back Order, Currently Unavailable, and Sold Out mean? Back Order: When products are in “Back Order” status, this means that the product is available for sale, however there is no inventory in stock and a future ship date is displayed on our website. Products in this status can still be ordered online or through the Customer Contact Center. Currently Unavailable: Currently Unavailable products have no remaining inventory in… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rich,

Contributions like yours are very important and most certainly appreciated.

Those definitions will go a long way to clearing up a lot of the questions we all ask regarding the Mint’s terminology in this aspect of its operation.

Many thanks for that !

Rich

You are most certainly welcome, Sir Kaiser. And many thanks for all your contributions in support of the greater CoinsNews.net community.

Carl

In my opinion all this stuff about bots, which is probably true, the REAL cause of higher demand and ‘shortage’ of silver is largely because of the introduction of the new reverse design mid year which is a lack of planning by the US mint. Look at the numbers from prior years and again in a couple future years and there will be a spike for 2021. I’ll be watching.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Carl, The BOTS were the creation of a Buying Club and claimed 60% of the Mint website for the duration of the Morgan Privy Mark Dollar sales. There is no shortage of silver for the small volume of numismatic products; it’s the bullion side of the Mint’s operation that is stretched thin this year in that regard. Any new product, especially one as prominent as the American Silver Eagle, will obviously cause an increase in the coin’s popularity, so that’s not unexpected. At the same time Covid-19 has been stretching the production capacity of the Mint beyond its limits, so… Read more »

Victor

Wow! Still available as of 3:50pm ET. Something not right at US Mint website.

Rich

Victor, it could be a case of less hype and less demand for this one from the dealers and customers.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rich,

I can’t help but think this isn’t a case of more coins to go around but rather one of the Mint pulling yet another one of its fast ones on the average customer while keeping the Big Guys in the background fat and happy.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Victor,

Bear in mind that shortly after sales opened the Mint switched from selling coins to offering Back Orders, which in this case are like I.O.U.’s that might not be repaid.

Phil

Kaiser,

For this escapade, I put coins in my cart at 1200+cpl secs already in backorder. Got confirm cpl mins ltr. We’ll see if I get something.

I’m not sure I’ll get any silver I’ve ordered. Have lots of confirmations, lol

Only coins I’ve received this year are gold. & I’m aware of the silver delivery debacle of ’21

Antonio

I have my confirmation for the W uncirculated. My CC has been charged. All I wait for is the shipping notification. IF I receive my Proof W, that’ll make a set. So far, the Mint has that one on back order, although I’ve received a confirmation for it.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Antonio,

Sounds like all the pieces are falling into place for you. Congrats!

Mammoth

I decided to sit out this US Mint ordering sh*t-show.
Congrats to all of the collectors who snagged one of these coins today.

Antonio

I’ll look forward to the reverse proofs next Monday.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Antonio,

As will we all. The question is, are they going to look upon us with equal favor.

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Rich

I hear you mighty Mammoth.

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Mammoth

Thanks for the shout-out, Rich.
If there are any females on here – I hope they like my curves.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Mammoth,

Tusk tusk. This is a family site.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Mammoth,

Truly a wise move. Picking your battles is a sign of perspicacity.

FViia

HAHA, had to check that one for a second. Don’t see it used that often.

Kaiser Wilhelm

FViia,

That’s the thing with words, they don’t really belong to anyone as such, so they’re all fair game when you need one.

Rich

Wooly Bully Sir Kaiser!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rich,

In the true spirit of Sam the Sham and the Pharaohs!

Rock on.

Birddogger

Confirmation @12:13am / shipping notice with tracking number @ 2:14 this afternoon.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Birdogger,

Holy cow, that’s fast. Good for you!

Daniel

6+ hours later, still available to back order.
It’s like this is a really poor attempt by a marketing department to avoid criticism on social media.

RogerF

Sure looks like there was no reason to cut off enrollments earlier in the year on this ASE.

Kaiser Wilhelm

RogerF,

It all depends on what happens down the line. The Mint has, if nothing else, bought itself substantial time.

domenic

I was in no mood this morning…i hopped on the website at 6pm pacific tonite…still available for backorder…..so i ordered one.

RAV

Still available for back order at 11:00 P.M. Perhaps not as popular as we thought?

Kaiser Wilhelm

domenic,

While I of course hope you succeed in getting one, I can’t help but feel this situation is one of those that is just too good to be true. The math just doesn’t seem to add up.

Daniel

I would be very interested to hear what your order confirmation number is. Although don’t post the full number here. If I have learnt anything from life it is “Don’t trust people not to be pricks”. There is the potential that I know of orders for multiple households. In fact, I can say with certainty, that I have seen order confirmation numbers which were for orders placed minutes apart, yet were 42,000 unique order numbers in between. Whilst not every order would have been for 3 coins, a lot would have been. So I can confirm that in a three… Read more »

Domenic Vaiasicca

If the order number is based on piece count….. It would be in the 11 million range.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Domenic V,

I’m not clear on how you arrived at that number. Even at three coins per order that would only amount to 126,000 pieces.

domenic

As Larry T pointed out below his order number was 2,604,957 after his enrollment. I was saying if the order numbers are based on actual coins….then mine would be in the 11 million range when i ordered it at 6pm that evening.WOW this is going to be a fun PR nightmare for the mint unl;ess they have decided to breach the mintage limit. If that order number is the true case of coins ordered….then they REALLY blew it.

Kaiser Wilhelm

domenic, Now I understand what you’re getting at. However, while the numbers may be valid, not much else regarding this entire sorry scenario makes any sense whatsoever. If you were to read Larry’s and my comments elsewhere in this thread you will note that we suggest the only rational solution to this confounding puzzle is that a monumental disconnect and/or discrepancy developed quite unexpectedly as well as rapidly so, and quite soon after the commencement of the release day sales. This disconnect originated somewhere between the very limited number of coins available and what the Mint’s website for whatever reason… Read more »

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Daniel,

Very interesting analysis indeed. Thanks for posting that!

As for your question at the end, I’ll go with Door #1; the Product Limit is a done deal that isn’t going to flex.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Daniel,

After giving this twenty-four hours to simmer and with some more serious thought, I’m rather certain that (a) you are correct in your analysis of this somewhat unusual and possibly questionable turn of events regarding how many coins were actually available for exactly how long and consequently (b) the order setting should not have remained on (or quite likely have ever been switched to) “Back Order” and instead been set on “Remind Me” long before it was at long last amended to that.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Daniel,

I’ve never encountered this sort of Mint behavior before. Either a switch got stuck on “Back Order”, the powers that be are just playing a stalling game and most of these will be cancelled, or lastly, plans are in place at the Mint for something which I haven’t the remotest inkling of. We shall see.

Steve

just tried to order an extra 5 pieces right at noon. No limit after 24 hours. Sold out in seconds, they probably went to the chosen few automatically. It never changes!

Antonio

Good to know. This one didn’t sell as well as the 3 previous proofs. Monday will be interesting but then again it’s only 1 per customer.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Antonio,

I’m a little lost here as it seems that you and Steve are completely at odds in regard to the conclusion you draw. He said everything sold out immediately, you contend it sold slowly. I admit total confusion.

Larry T

Kaiser,

What Steve was referring to is the coin went to ‘Remind Me’ status immediately after the HHL was removed (after the 1st 24 hours.)

Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry,

I totally get that part, but the issue that continues to befuddle me is why Antonio would interpret that as meaning this coin wasn’t as good a seller as the previous ASEs. From the evidence presented, wouldn’t one be inclined to say that the opposite was true? Apparently I’m still missing something; sorry for being so slow.

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Larry T

Kaiser, Probably because it didn’t go to ’Remind Me’ within 25 minutes, as the last three did. Antonio, like a lot of us, expected a sell out quickly. We do seem to place value and desirability on these coins strictly based upon how quickly they sell out. I think it’s entirely possible that this coin did sell out almost immediately.That is, of course, only my opinion. Heck, even our messiah Mike Mezack opined this coin would sell out in two minutes! And honestly Kaiser, what I’m still trying to wrap my head around, is the whole ‘Backorder’ label. I believe… Read more »

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry, It appears that you and I are of one (perhaps unavoidably speculative) mind with regard to the quite possibly bogus, unintentionally so or otherwise, “Back Order” setting on the Mint website’s 2021-S Type 2 Uncirculated American Silver Eagle order page during the release day sale of that coin. After all, the vast majority of the orders placed to the Mint for that coin were entered after the changeover from “Add to Bag” to “Back Order”, an incorrect setting modification which by all rights should have been to “Remind Me” instead. Now the Mint is left with having to extricate… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Daniel,

I think it takes a lot to penetrate the Mint’s thick skin.

Larry T

I believe a lot of individuals who think they’ve secured an order for the 2021 W Unc ASE will be vastly disappointed. I have two enrollment orders shipped my way and I put an extra order in just to see what would happen. The extra order has been confirmed and shows as ‘processing?’, but the difference from the last enrollment order# and this extra order# is 2,604,957 orders! That extra order was for 3 additional coins and it was placed about 15 minutes after the coins went on sale. Either the Kaiser is incorrect about the ‘Product Limit’ not being… Read more »

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry, This speaks exactly to what is now my contention regarding the cause of the apparent contradictions surrounding this utterly confounding situation. I therefore propose a possible solution to the mystery, one that is entirely dependent on the evidence that was available at the conclusion of that ordering day. In short, the only plausible explanation I can arrive at is that the webpage button setting of “Back Order” was indeed a glitch, a software error of some sort. What should have been indicated in its place from the get go shortly after Twelve Noon was the correctly applicable notice of… Read more »

Larry T

Kaiser,

I’m in agreement with your assessment of this offering. One final morsel for you to ponder…is it possible the Mint was just preparing us for the Monday Noon Event?

Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry,

That could be looked at in one of two ways. The first would be that the Mint did us a favor by stretching our ability and increasing our propensity to hang in there when the going gets rough and tough.

The alternative theory holds that the Mint wanted to totally demoralize and break us so completely that no matter how bad it gets on Monday it will somehow still feel like a relief when we fail miserably.

Nugchompa

My order from 12:06PM on 9/9 still says processing. No email saying confirmed.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Nugchompa, Since the Mint in either its unmitigated sloppiness or with inexplicable intent allowed customer orders to continue to be taken by its website literally hours after this coin even by any stretch of the imagination had to have long sold out, all such orders entered into the Mint’s system after, roughly speaking, 12:15 P.M. EDT at the very latest that day are likely no more than mere figments of lord knows who’s alternate reality. On the other hand, because yours was placed at 12:06 P.M. it should have fallen well within the window of probability, meaning that there would… Read more »

Francis Keith Kovach

This is a gorgeous coin struck by the US MINT ever in the modern era

Mike Petraitis

I have a subscription for these coins.I checked my e mail one day and it says they are being processed then they send me an e mail says they have been shipped. I check the tracking number through USPS they say a label has been created but not shipped. The US mint charged my credit card tells me they have been shipped which is not true .I n the past years I never had any problems now it is a joke dealing with the US mint.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Mike,

I’ve noticed recently that while the Mint used to charge my credit card after the USPS or UPS had my package in their possession, now the Mint charges as soon as they notify the carrier of the package being ready to ship.

I make up for that at my end by completely ignoring the charge for what I bought from the Mint until I have the coins in my hand. Two can play at this silly game.

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Mike Petraitis

I just got off the phone with someone at the US mint.I told them I never recieved my coins but they charged me for them.She looked up the tracking number and said yes they were shipped but they must of got lost in transit.I asked her what if they do not find them she told me they will refund my money and I will not get the coins.This really got me upset can not believe this happened.