I put the 20 pence mule on my watchlist, and now they’ve sent an offer!  “GBP 134.99 from the seller”
So if interested? Watch it and get the $ break!

I don’t know about the ATB presented like that, Obverse & W backwards? I guess I’m some sort of purist when it comes to Obv vs Rev and where I think it belongs in a presentation package…
I had to look up the 2008 20 pence mule. Pretty cool item, and thanks for talking about it!
https://www.ebay.com/itm/305575060470
I never thought about using a mirror to show both sides of a coin!

VinnyC,
I think I was agreeing with you on shield being written on the label as being stupid? Anyway that’s a good coin you have and it sounds like it was a good deal, it was done correct imo. NGC has the 2019-W backwards also. They also put the 2017-S out back, you have to flip it as well to see the -S. I understand Lyndall Bass and all, but her design is the Reverse, and that is secondary, literally…
CAC has it correct, and shield is written in small font at least?
https://www.greatcollections.com/Coin/1599402/2019-W-Lincoln-Cent-Shield-CACG-MS-69-RD

On a separate note I when search through my slabs for the 2019-W 1c I also ran a across my 2019-W and 2020-W ATB quarters that were much maligned in MNB. It looks like PCGS tends to have the reverse side forward on the ATB quarter. That would make the ATB design and date face forward and the “W” face backwards in the slabbed. I have not really develop an opinion on those.

NGC has my new Britannia & Liberty Coin with the Britannia & Liberty reverse facing forward and I prefer that coin facing that way. Recall that on the British coin the King Charles is on the obverse vs. the US Mint products.

The last thing I wanted to address was that the no date 2008 20 pence mule was a coin (or token) that I really wanted to own. I can’t find any at a decent price. There was supposed to be about 250,000 of them so they shouldn’t have been that rare. That year the changed to reverse design and moved the date to the obverse, Then they used the wrong obverse die that didn’t have the date on it. For that one I would prefer the obverse and its lack of date facing forward in a slab.

Rick,
I didn’t say I agreed PCGS having shield facing forward. I just acknowledge they have a different line of thinking. Not only do you have to flip the slab backwards but also upside down 🙂 I went and found my bargain basement $25 NGC MS-69RD 2019-W. They had the obverse forward. It would have been stupid of NGC to have the shield facing forward considering the Lincoln Label. 🙂

I think I basically got the TPG grading and slabbing for free. I think the dealer I bought it from was hoping to get some MS70s in the grading process and sold off the MS69s for a discount to recovers some their cost.

https://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/6041558-015/69/

That reminds me of a time when I found a strange Buffalo nickel long ago. I could see the D mint mark on the reverse and the coin was in really good shape, but it only had 3 legs? So I tossed it into a Goldfish pond, and wished it goodwill forever!
(⊙ˍ⊙)

VinnieC.
Here is a coin to rationalize for a sec?
The Prestigious 2019-W Lincoln Unc Cent with an elusive MS-70RD grade.
It’s probably worth $1000. Maybe $2000?
To not only see Lincoln, the person that the coin is dedicated to, as well as the first ever -W Mint Mark on a 1C coin, I must flip the holder to its backside to view the goods. The whole purpose of the(arguable)rare coin is the obverse. Why humiliate the coin in this manner? A 1909-S VDB, with the S on the obverse, and the VDB on the reverse still maintains its Obverse dignity in ALL holders from what I can tell? Now I’m done arguing my point.

No, it really doesn’t in the end, the coin matters most, and that is what I adhere to first and foremost, despite my packaging preferences that are on full display here. But when the packaging is presented in ways that are so twisted and obtuse nowadays, a line must be drawn, and very soon imo.

VinnieC,
The shield thing is getting ridiculous. Front/back–back/front? Write shield on the label, or not!?
PCGS started with the word shield on their label and it is the stupidest thing I’ve ever seen, agreed. It has to have been a marketing decision to differentiate themselves from the others. CAC is now writing shield on their labels for a 1C coin too.
Neither NGC, nor ANACS writes shield on their labels. ANACS, as far as I know–always puts Lincoln up front. I think CAC too, but not positive.
Why doesn’t my newly graded ’59-D’s have “Memorial” on the label? Or “Wheat” on my ’58 1C coin label? Why discriminate? It is a joke imo.
Dave Santiago, the one who reached out to Mike Diamond, and then ANACS to get the “V” ball rolling, had sold me 3 Extra “V” coins last January–ALL Lincoln profile forward/label side. They were higher grades(2-67, 1-66) with the Gold shield label and TrueView photos, but that shouldn’t matter? Interestingly, he does have shield forward on those new slabs as you said. Who made that decision? I should contact him, I have before?
Me, now 3 months ago, submitted my raw V 1C without a peep of orientation preference on the form or to the person at the show. It had come back Lincoln forward and I’m thankful that it did! Crazy stuff going on Lincoln 1C wise…

Rick,
I can sort of rationalized why PCGS wants to put the shield facing front. The stupid PCGS says “Shield” on it and it seems like they are trying to conform to the label. In the case of the Extra V it says “Shield Extra V” so it is sort of a split decision (IMHO logic would favor the Extra V). I noticed the seller that I think is Dave Santiago on E-Bay has the shield facing front of the PCGS slab of the Extra-V he is currently trying to sell.

I just bought an NGC slabbed £2 Proof Britannia & Liberty coin and the Britannia & Liberty is facing front. This is actually the reverse side on the Royal Mint coin. On the US Mint medal and gold coin it is the obverse. Now how confusing is that 🙂

AKBob,
Sorry for all your PCGS troubles. I always wondered what happens to the OGP stuff. Now I know what could happen.