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		By: gary		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2021 00:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.coinnews.net/2021/09/20/acef-ngc-png-send-facebook-joint-complaint-about-counterfeits/#comment-498449&quot;&gt;Daniel&lt;/a&gt;.

hey i bought that same coin in a walmart parking lot from a guy who also had an arm full of gold watches what a deal and i thougth etsy was great]]></description>
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<p>hey i bought that same coin in a walmart parking lot from a guy who also had an arm full of gold watches what a deal and i thougth etsy was great</p>
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		By: Daniel		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2021 00:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.coinnews.net/2021/09/20/acef-ngc-png-send-facebook-joint-complaint-about-counterfeits/#comment-498497&quot;&gt;Hihosilver&lt;/a&gt;.

The thing is … no one ever re-checks a graded coin (especially not a high grade coin, as it could only go down).
Then you have arseholes like this on alibaba, willing to sell you a tungsten coin which has been gold plated.
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/american-buffalo-1-oz-tungsten-gold_62197466784.html?spm=a2700.galleryofferlist.normal_offer.d_image.4ab27eddthAEt5

there are even sellers there who will sell coin slabs with fake authentication labels, which they steal matching numbers straight off NCGS’s website. So when you check it, it all looks real.

I got done on a full set of Morgan-CC coins. I bought from a seller here in Australia, I thought “this packaging is a bit careless considering the high price I paid”, but threw them in the safe, then didn’t think of them again. Until I saw a set on Alibaba a few years later which looked very familiar.

It takes a special kind of person to rip someone off.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.coinnews.net/2021/09/20/acef-ngc-png-send-facebook-joint-complaint-about-counterfeits/#comment-498497">Hihosilver</a>.</p>
<p>The thing is … no one ever re-checks a graded coin (especially not a high grade coin, as it could only go down).<br />
Then you have arseholes like this on alibaba, willing to sell you a tungsten coin which has been gold plated.<br />
<a href="https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/american-buffalo-1-oz-tungsten-gold_62197466784.html?spm=a2700.galleryofferlist.normal_offer.d_image.4ab27eddthAEt5" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/american-buffalo-1-oz-tungsten-gold_62197466784.html?spm=a2700.galleryofferlist.normal_offer.d_image.4ab27eddthAEt5</a></p>
<p>there are even sellers there who will sell coin slabs with fake authentication labels, which they steal matching numbers straight off NCGS’s website. So when you check it, it all looks real.</p>
<p>I got done on a full set of Morgan-CC coins. I bought from a seller here in Australia, I thought “this packaging is a bit careless considering the high price I paid”, but threw them in the safe, then didn’t think of them again. Until I saw a set on Alibaba a few years later which looked very familiar.</p>
<p>It takes a special kind of person to rip someone off.</p>
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		By: SENZA		</title>
		<link>https://www.coinnews.net/2021/09/20/acef-ngc-png-send-facebook-joint-complaint-about-counterfeits/#comment-498790</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SENZA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Sep 2021 12:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hey guys &#038; gals we did it my prediction has come true US Mint Director to be replaced effective October 1st]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey guys &amp; gals we did it my prediction has come true US Mint Director to be replaced effective October 1st</p>
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		By: SENZA		</title>
		<link>https://www.coinnews.net/2021/09/20/acef-ngc-png-send-facebook-joint-complaint-about-counterfeits/#comment-498622</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SENZA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2021 17:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.coinnews.net/2021/09/20/acef-ngc-png-send-facebook-joint-complaint-about-counterfeits/#comment-498531&quot;&gt;Mammoth&lt;/a&gt;.

That&#039;s part of the joy of coin collecting - you seen it as a discovery and that discovery might add value to your coin. On the other hand I see it as a ploy by the dealers and graders to siphon an extra buck out us when we are on the buying end of the deal.

These dealers and graders have such a tight grip on us and the hobby that they realized they were killing the hobby and thier own profits so they came up with the great-americon-coin-hunt sham where they allegedly put some coins of value back into circulation to peak collector interest in the industry they destroyed and when the dust cleared guess who found all of those coins = HSN&#039;s Caffeine Mike and the frigging dealers - this game is so rigged and corrupt and people are missing the big picture.

Kudo&#039;s to you for finding some purpose to the madness.

Best Regards Collector&#039;s]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.coinnews.net/2021/09/20/acef-ngc-png-send-facebook-joint-complaint-about-counterfeits/#comment-498531">Mammoth</a>.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s part of the joy of coin collecting &#8211; you seen it as a discovery and that discovery might add value to your coin. On the other hand I see it as a ploy by the dealers and graders to siphon an extra buck out us when we are on the buying end of the deal.</p>
<p>These dealers and graders have such a tight grip on us and the hobby that they realized they were killing the hobby and thier own profits so they came up with the great-americon-coin-hunt sham where they allegedly put some coins of value back into circulation to peak collector interest in the industry they destroyed and when the dust cleared guess who found all of those coins = HSN&#8217;s Caffeine Mike and the frigging dealers &#8211; this game is so rigged and corrupt and people are missing the big picture.</p>
<p>Kudo&#8217;s to you for finding some purpose to the madness.</p>
<p>Best Regards Collector&#8217;s</p>
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		By: SENZA		</title>
		<link>https://www.coinnews.net/2021/09/20/acef-ngc-png-send-facebook-joint-complaint-about-counterfeits/#comment-498592</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SENZA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2021 05:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.coinnews.net/2021/09/20/acef-ngc-png-send-facebook-joint-complaint-about-counterfeits/#comment-498526&quot;&gt;SENZA&lt;/a&gt;.

Jinkeez my order didn&#039;t go thru until I believe shortly after 1:00 p.m. I was about to give up then seen a message on the US Mint twitter feed saying orders had just started flowing in don&#039;t give up so I went back and gave it another try. Thanks for that valuable information.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.coinnews.net/2021/09/20/acef-ngc-png-send-facebook-joint-complaint-about-counterfeits/#comment-498526">SENZA</a>.</p>
<p>Jinkeez my order didn&#8217;t go thru until I believe shortly after 1:00 p.m. I was about to give up then seen a message on the US Mint twitter feed saying orders had just started flowing in don&#8217;t give up so I went back and gave it another try. Thanks for that valuable information.</p>
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		By: SENZA		</title>
		<link>https://www.coinnews.net/2021/09/20/acef-ngc-png-send-facebook-joint-complaint-about-counterfeits/#comment-498579</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SENZA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2021 01:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.coinnews.net/2021/09/20/acef-ngc-png-send-facebook-joint-complaint-about-counterfeits/#comment-498483&quot;&gt;SENZA&lt;/a&gt;.

My head hurts that one went right over - but I did use my official Government ID photo to make the point.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.coinnews.net/2021/09/20/acef-ngc-png-send-facebook-joint-complaint-about-counterfeits/#comment-498483">SENZA</a>.</p>
<p>My head hurts that one went right over &#8211; but I did use my official Government ID photo to make the point.</p>
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		By: SENZA		</title>
		<link>https://www.coinnews.net/2021/09/20/acef-ngc-png-send-facebook-joint-complaint-about-counterfeits/#comment-498578</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SENZA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2021 01:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.coinnews.net/2021/09/20/acef-ngc-png-send-facebook-joint-complaint-about-counterfeits/#comment-498461&quot;&gt;Larry T&lt;/a&gt;.

I was browsing one of those coin sellers mentioned on this blog and they said only the first 4 Monster cases were all perfect coins - is a Monster Case full of Monster Boxes?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.coinnews.net/2021/09/20/acef-ngc-png-send-facebook-joint-complaint-about-counterfeits/#comment-498461">Larry T</a>.</p>
<p>I was browsing one of those coin sellers mentioned on this blog and they said only the first 4 Monster cases were all perfect coins &#8211; is a Monster Case full of Monster Boxes?</p>
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		By: Mammoth		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mammoth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2021 14:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.coinnews.net/2021/09/20/acef-ngc-png-send-facebook-joint-complaint-about-counterfeits/#comment-498524&quot;&gt;SENZA&lt;/a&gt;.

Speaking of error coins, a while back I was looking at one of my Peace Dollars under a magnifying glass and saw there was a hair on it. After repeatedly unsuccessfully attempting to brush away that hair, I &lt;span&gt;examined the silver dollar under higher magnification and discovered it was a raised line across the coin - apparently due to a crack in the die it was stamped with!&lt;/span&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.coinnews.net/2021/09/20/acef-ngc-png-send-facebook-joint-complaint-about-counterfeits/#comment-498524">SENZA</a>.</p>
<p>Speaking of error coins, a while back I was looking at one of my Peace Dollars under a magnifying glass and saw there was a hair on it. After repeatedly unsuccessfully attempting to brush away that hair, I <span>examined the silver dollar under higher magnification and discovered it was a raised line across the coin &#8211; apparently due to a crack in the die it was stamped with!</span></p>
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		By: SENZA		</title>
		<link>https://www.coinnews.net/2021/09/20/acef-ngc-png-send-facebook-joint-complaint-about-counterfeits/#comment-498526</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SENZA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2021 07:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.coinnews.net/2021/09/20/acef-ngc-png-send-facebook-joint-complaint-about-counterfeits/#comment-498497&quot;&gt;Hihosilver&lt;/a&gt;.

Did someone say they over-sold the 2 coin reverse proof set? Should I be worried about the unexplained refund I got a few days ago?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.coinnews.net/2021/09/20/acef-ngc-png-send-facebook-joint-complaint-about-counterfeits/#comment-498497">Hihosilver</a>.</p>
<p>Did someone say they over-sold the 2 coin reverse proof set? Should I be worried about the unexplained refund I got a few days ago?</p>
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		By: SENZA		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SENZA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2021 07:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.coinnews.net/2021/09/20/acef-ngc-png-send-facebook-joint-complaint-about-counterfeits/#comment-498497&quot;&gt;Hihosilver&lt;/a&gt;.

You trust the graders - I don&#039;t that&#039;s all................ 

As far as APMEX before I made my first purchase I told them I read one of their customer reviews where the customer claimed he received a fake gold coin and APMEX admitted this had really happened but they assured me it was a one-time thing and they resolved the problem. Because of their honesty I did make a purchase and several more over many years however how do any of us really know if the gold or silver is real? Anyone notice APMEX has been sold out of Lady Fortuna Silver Bars for over a year now? I do feel slightly more secure in my purchase when veriscan and certi-lock are available.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.coinnews.net/2021/09/20/acef-ngc-png-send-facebook-joint-complaint-about-counterfeits/#comment-498497">Hihosilver</a>.</p>
<p>You trust the graders &#8211; I don&#8217;t that&#8217;s all&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;. </p>
<p>As far as APMEX before I made my first purchase I told them I read one of their customer reviews where the customer claimed he received a fake gold coin and APMEX admitted this had really happened but they assured me it was a one-time thing and they resolved the problem. Because of their honesty I did make a purchase and several more over many years however how do any of us really know if the gold or silver is real? Anyone notice APMEX has been sold out of Lady Fortuna Silver Bars for over a year now? I do feel slightly more secure in my purchase when veriscan and certi-lock are available.</p>
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