2021 Reverse Proof American Silver Eagle Two-Coin Set Launch

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Anticipated by many, once delayed, and likely not available for long, the United States Mint’s 2021 Reverse Proof American Silver Eagle Two-Coin Set goes on sale today beginning at Noon ET.

Mint images 2021 S&W Reverse Proof American Silver Eagles
U.S. Mint images of their 2021 S&W Reverse Proof American Silver Eagles

Officially named the "2021 American Eagle One Ounce Silver Reverse Proof Two-Coin Set Designer Edition," the collectible is is expected to be one of the most popular U.S. Mint products released this year because it contains a West Point Mint-struck 2021-W American Silver Eagle with the original or classic design (Type 1) and a San Francisco Mint-struck 2021-S American Silver Eagle with the new design (Type 2).

Sweetening the pot, the pair are in a brilliant reverse proof finish which showcases polished, mirror-like design elements that attractively contrast against frosted backgrounds. Further, the set’s mintage/product limit is capped at 125,000. This instantly makes both coins key issues in the entire American Silver Eagle series.

Initially, the two-coin set was scheduled for a release on Aug. 24. A few days before the 24th, however, the Mint pushed the release back just shy of three weeks to land on a less-typical release day of Monday (today).

Those interested in the set should be proactive. Recommendations include making sure your account with the U.S. Mint is up-to-date with a valid credit card, and logging in several minutes before its launch to be prepared. Anyone who has attempted to purchase a popular Mint release can attest that both patience and frustration will be part of the equation. The Mint has taken steps to alleviate past issues, but demand for this product is expected to still strain the Mint’s website. In some good news, orders are limited to one set per household for the first 24 hours of sales. This restriction will help more people get one.

American Silver Eagle Designs

The classic 2021-W Reverse Proof American Silver Eagle contains the original designs (Type 1) as seen on American Eagle program coins since their debut in 1986. This includes Adolph A. Weinman’s "Walking Liberty" design as first used on the 1916-1947 half-dollar obverses and John Mercanti’s heraldic eagle with shield design used on original Silver Eagle reverses.

Mint images 2021-W Reverse Proof American Silver Eagle
U.S. Mint images of their 2021-W Reverse Proof American Silver Eagle which features the classic design (Type 1)

Weinman’s Liberty design is also showcased on the obverse of the 2021-S Reverse Proof American Silver Eagle. However, the design was refreshed using modern technology and historical Mint assets to more closely reflect Weinman’s original intent. It also carries Weinman’s unique artist mark.

Mint images 2021-S Reverse Proof American Silver Eagle
U.S. Mint images of their 2021-S Reverse Proof American Silver Eagle, Type 2, which features the refreshed obverse and completely new reverse design

The redesigned reverse offers an eagle as it approaches a landing, carrying an oak branch, as if to add it to a nest. The new reverse design, created by Emily Damstra and sculpted by Michael Gaudioso, will appear on all American Silver Eagles going forward.

Redesigned American Silver Eagles also feature enhanced security features, including a reeded edge variation.

Two-Coin Set’s American Silver Eagle Specifications

Denomination: $1
Finish: Reverse Proof
Composition: 99.9% Silver
Weight: 1.000 troy oz.
(31.103 grams)
Diameter: 1.598 inches
(40.60 mm)
Edge: Reeded
Mint and Mint Mark: West Point – W
San Francisco – S

 

Ordering & Price

On release at Noon ET, the 2021 Reverse Proof American Silver Eagle Two-Coin Set will be available from the Mint’s online store for American Eagle coins. Pricing for the two-coin set is listed as $175.

U.S. Mint product images of the two-coin set
U.S. Mint product images of the two-coin set

The pair of coins ship encapsulated and packaged together in a single black presentation case. An outer sleeve displays both reverse designs. A Certificate of Authenticity is also included.

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Finbar Higgins

I just got one at 1:20 PM. the site is working now..

JWP

I got my confirmation at 12:06 Eastern. I must have it in my bag 30 + times and went checkout at least the same 30 + times. I checked my cc and the charge is pending. Now I have to run to the heaD ( NAVY FOR BATH ROOM/LOO).. I NEED A NAP – GETTING TOO OLD FOR THIS

Kaiser Wilhelm

JWP,

We finally did it!

Kevin E Belevich

Same fought nbfought n 120 pm I got it

Kaiser Wilhelm

Kevin,

Hooray for you and for all of us today who persisted and prevailed!

Victor

The point of 1 set limit was so those who try 100 times finally get it. Congrats

Kaiser Wilhelm

Victor,

Precisely!

Domenic Vaiasicca

Ugh…..and 100 more grey hairs!

Victor

Yet alive!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Victor & Domenic,

And here to fight (for coins) another day!

paul chiu

They finally cleared after 1:10PM or so EST

Michael

Just went back on……..my gf ordered one, went right thru……ZERO issues, done within 2 minutes!!!!!! Got confirmation message and email…….

Kaiser Wilhelm

Michael,

Very cool!

TiredOfIdiots

Still available nearly 90 minutes later, wow.

Mike Hunt

Rumor has it that the Mint bought some more from Mike @ HSN

Antonio

Kudos! : ))

Kaiser Wilhelm

Antonio,

Ditto, my friend!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Mike,

Where else?

Kirk Williams

Hmm, 13:25 and still available.

paul chiu

1:30pm EST still available.

Roxie60

Yes but if u try to go thru the checkout process and place order you get the oft seen msg REMOVE FROM BAG product no longer available. At least that was my experience.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Roxie60,

That wasn’t the case today. Not quitting today was very surprisingly rewarded with a rather rare moment of success at the end of the line.

Coinbread

What a s__t show!

Coinbread

One hour and 31 minutes to confirm, even though I had one in my cart and was given an order processing screen at 12:08 pm ET. No improvement at the US Mint web page!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Coinbread,

No improvement, but today for whatever reason, success!

Mark d Fox

Just bought one.

brianw

had mine in my cart within the first minute sales were open. That’s when the problems started, all the normal problems we’ve come to expect and are now normal with popular releases. I was able to finally complete the checkout an hour and 10 minutes later. I know the mint doesn’t care but I’m starting to question if the coins are worth an hour and 10 minutes of my time. I suppose if you’re flipping then making double your money for an hour of work makes sense. For a collector I’m not sure anymore,

Kaiser Wilhelm

brianw,

To hades with the flippers. Let’s just collect and enjoy it!

Peter Gordon

Similar to my experience but was able to get confirmation at 8 minutes.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Peter G,

Okay, so you beat us to it. But in the end, we’re all getting pretty coins this time!

Larry F

Hello All,
To everyone who was looking forrward to participating in this free for all, stuck it out, perservered and managed to get one congrats!. And to those who are still trying, good luck (according to some bloggers, they are still available at this time). Maybe the lowly collectors will have their day. To all of the money grubbers and profiteers, hope you failed ;).

Paul

They are still available at 1:37 PM EDT. I drove myself insane for 45 minutes trying to get one.

Richard Margolis

I tried at 1:40 PM and I got one in my cart The site allowed me to check out and gave me an order# Did not check cc, but hope I got one

Peter Gordon

It would be great if the flippers had all their attempts blocked.

SENZA

I noticed all the flippers on feebay panicked and lowered their prices and keep lowering the prices as the set has still not sold out last I checked – I had one in my cart in under 40 seconds but took way over an hour to get an order confirmation and i never actually seen it on my screen in the mess of errors popping up all over my web page :(. It seems either your a Government employee with no worries and a printed paycheck even if there are no tax payer dollars and the rest of us are… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

SENZA,

I think we collectors may have outbought the flippers this time. Too bad!

c_q

flippers only succeed because people are willing to pay inflated prices on ebay to not deal with the c>@%%y mint web site. if people refused to buy those ebay prices, there probably wouldn’t be any flippers trying to get these things so much. the reality is the mint makes less than there is demand for – of course the mint doesn’t want to make more than there is demand for, as in that case the extra stock would sit on their shelf for a couple years (as many of their products in fact do) before they give up and melt… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

c_q,

You’ve just said what I’ve tried to point out a million times. IF WE STOP BUYING FROM FLIPPERS THEN FLIPPERS WILL CEASE TO EXIST!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Peter G,

That’s exactly what I was thinking!

Rob S

Yeah, the Add To Bag button is still active? Maybe the site was so awful, many ppl just dropped out? Or the order counter is broken?
I got an ack email and order #, but didnt see a test charge on my CC (yet), so who knows.

Antonio

They’re out now. I tried more than a minute ago and although it looks like they’re still available, a red message comes up saying the product is no longer available and credit card will not be charged. They need new servers. Looks like they’re using servers from the ’70s. Everyone else uses the cloud.

Larry F

Sorry to hear, I’ve been on the wrong end too any times recently! Its like treasure hunt but the letdown is still no less infuriating!

Rob S

Yeah, just saw that they’re out.
Servers? Cloud? Hah, its rats on a wheel chasing the gub’mint cheese. lolz 😉

Kaiser Wilhelm

Antonio,

They’re using the trusty hamster wheel can-string-can model, circa 1959.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rob,

I think people got worn out. And maybe flippers have less patience because they don’t care about coins as such.

Mike Hunt

I hope everyone kept screen print copies of the Mint’s confirmations. Trust but Verify.

Antonio

Especially when dealing with the U.S. government.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry F,

My sentiments exactly, and doubly so!

Peter Gordon

Still available as of 10:35 am PT. Amazing.

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Peter Gordon

Wonder if the mint increased the mintage number or the website is broken?

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Ken Wilkinson

They probably have lost count of what’s been sold.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Ken W,

Nope. I think the Flipper competition left the building due to the overly long wait time!

gman1964

Ok, guys, October 1st, one last battle for 2021, only 50,000 available. C’mon, we made it this far, who’s going with me?

Antonio

I quit. The U.S. Mint is a dump. I’m buying silver from other countries.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Antonio,

Forsooth. Doth thou not abandon thy brethren, for yon green fields of fair fortune await our collectively conquering forces. Flee in fear, Flippers!

Finbar Higgins

Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more… King Henry

Kaiser Wilhelm

Finbar Higgins,

Precisely, exactly, and just so, my friends!…Kaiser Wilhelm

Daniel

They really should have aligned the release date on an anniversary of August 23, 1942

Kaiser Wilhelm

Daniel,

I would propose instead that of February 3, 1943.

Kaiser Wilhelm

gman1964,

I am with you, brother. This victory today has re-energized me and I’m ready to do battle with the Re-Sellers (of every shape and form) one more time this year!

Uncle Sams Nephew

Not so fast!

Remember those Morgans, CC’s (170,811 sold) & O’s ( 171, 286 sold), both with a product limit of 175,000 for each type, could the US MInt be setting us up for another mad fools rush to grab one or two for the nearly 8000 unaccounted 2021 Morgans remaining in inventory?

They had a clearance sale for the 2019-S ASE RevPr’s…leftover inventory of 98 available and gone within seconds. Stand by for another demonstration of the US Mint’s stellar ability to sell products online like it’s 1999.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Uncle Sams Nephew,

Anyone who has a request in place to be informed immediately of the sale of any remaining Privy Morgan inventory upon receiving an email informing them of the availability of said coins will after rushing to the applicable webpage find a solid blue “Remind Me” in place once again.

Trust me, that’s how it always works.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Peter G,

My guess? The Flippers bailed out this time; it wasn’t worth their while to hang around that long for just one Coin Set each. We finally beat them at their own game!

Paul

I see two auctions for these with bids over $400 and they’re still available from the Mint. SMH

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BobS

There are now dozens for sale on eBay, going from $400 to $900. I just checked the US Mint web site, and they’re still for sale at the normal price. These flippers are shameful.

Daniel

I am always fascinated by supply and demand. We can look at the Dutch Tulip Mania of the 1630’s and be aghast that people could be so manipulated, as we hit refresh over and over again to buy a shiny hunk of metal with a face value of $1. Then I think of the flippers. At this stage, before the “market” has even been established, how do they set a price? If the first person to list on eBay chooses $1,000, do all the other flippers just blindly follow that lead? Or do they work out a sell point which… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Daniel,

There are people who are naturally not gifted, there are others who are woefully ignorant, and then there are those who are willfully pliable. The ranks of the suckers are as such deep and varied, while the corresponding grifters are always plentiful, greedy and eager. It all just comes together so seamlessly that the price itself, while technically required, is essentially of secondary concern.

Mammoth

Daniel – “At this stage, before the “market” has even been established, how do they set a price?”
– – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
Here’s a hint: Got a flashlight…?

Kaiser Wilhelm

Mammoth,

You’ve just given me a splendid idea for an ebay sale.

Attention, all those who need fresh batteries today, we offer same hour delivery for a small fee of $9.95 for street level addresses; upper stories just an additional $19.95 per floor (stairs additional).

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Kaiser Wilhelm

BobS,

That’s why they are flippers. What honorable soul would engage in such an unworthy pursuit?

Kaiser Wilhelm

Paul,

There are all day suckers born every minute.

don

1:47 pm and I was able to get another

Collin

If true, not only have you not been reading along but you left off a ‘k’ at the end of your moniker.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Collin,

Could be either, of course, but I do like the revised appellation.

Kaiser Wilhelm

don,

Pray tell how is that possible; are you perhaps using two different ISPs?

Barry Lichvar

Got mine at 1:43,still Dont believe it .

Kaiser Wilhelm

Barry,

Believe it and revel in it, as moments like this are few and far between.

RogerF

Offered for $650-$1000 on eBay but still available from mint at 1:47

Kaiser Wilhelm

RogerF,

I would have open heart surgery without an anesthetic before I’d pay those prices on ebay.

George Wolfe

Got mine at 1:45 thought I missed out , rebooted at least 30 times hang in there

Kaiser Wilhelm

George W,

Good for you for your tenacity. Endurance fetches the prize.

Antonio

I’m done ordering from the Mint. I started only wanting the Peace Dollar. If that’s all I receive, I’m happy. Today’s offering was a cluster#*&%. What a mess. I’m happy for those who got through. I never got to the confirmation stage after entering all my information. Hit Confirmation numerous times and each time came up with some funky page. The mint can keep their product as far as I’m concerned. I’ll order from other governments, they have their act together and better packing and quality coins as well.

Joe

Still available as of 2:09 est

Jeff Starks

I never got to the confirmation page either, but around attempt 40 or so a confirmation e-mail hit my box… I wonder how many I actually bought!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Jeff s,

Maybe you cleaned them out! How very cool.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Antonio,

I’m sure I don’t just speak for myself when I say that we would hate to lose you as part of our little community here. Whatever you decide to do, I hope it doesn’t sour you on us doggedly trudging coin aficionados who still feel the compulsion to give our loot to the admittedly capricious U.S. Mint.

Kirk R Lapham

One hour and 50 minutes into sale, Mint is still accepting orders. Not selling out as fast as expected. Don’t go to EBAY and purchase just yet folks!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Kirk R L,

Can’t judge it that way due to all the obstructions and the 1 Set HOL; this, I think, is an artificially “slow” event.

brianw

Apparently a mad rush. They are still showing available at 1:54 eastern time.

mrpapageorgio

It was a mad rush, but that mad rush clogged the website like people clogging the entrance to Walmart at opening on Black Friday.

The website crashing was probably the best thing for collectors trying to get one.

Site currently shows about 6k left as of 2:15 ET

Bill

where ic remaining stock shown?

mrpapageorgio

Right click the product page and click “view source code” or whatever your browser says along those lines. Then CTRL +F and type in “data-available” (without quotes) and the number to the right of it is the quantity remaining.

There have been Youtube videos showing this trick.

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Carol

WOW! Thanks for the tip!

Kaiser Wilhelm

mrp,

Thanks. That could be really useful!

mrpapageorgio

I saw a thread talking about it on CCF and experimented with it today. It looked accurate. There was still 90k left or so after the first half hour, which I think was due to the website being so slow to process orders.

Then once the website stopped crashing the number was decreasing about several hundred a minute.

Antonio

Yep 0:0

Peter Lowell Gordon

This works. If you are using Microsoft Edge, Ctrl-U works to get to the developer screen, and then Ctrl-F where you type in “data-available”. No quotes and make sure you use the hyphen “-“.

Peter Lowell Gordon

Just for kicks and giggles I used this for some other mint products. There are 378 US Coast Guard 2.5 Ounce Silver Medals still left for sale and 0 US Air Force 2.5 Ounce Silver Medals left for sale.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Peter L G,

Looks like we all have a helpful new device to play with, though in the midst of an ordering session I for one wouldn’t want to take time out from the task at hand to go check it. Just sayin’.

Kaiser Wilhelm

mrp,

Excellent analysis. Thanks be to the gods of computer clutter on this fine day. How else could we have outlasted the patience of the Flippers but by caring more on such a very, very slow slog to the finish.

mrpapageorgio

I think a better analogy is one if you’re a Simpsons fan. There’s an episode where Mr. Burns is having a comprehensive physical at the Mayo Clinic.

The Dr. comes in at the end and tells him he has every disease known to man, including ones not previously discovered, but he’s not sick because they’ll all jammed “at the door” trying to get into his body, but they’re stuck so none of them can get in to get him sick.

That’s basically what happened with the initial few minutes with the sale.

Kaiser Wilhelm

brianw,

Many, many obstacles have been slowing down the proceedings.

Antonio

We are sorry, but we are unable to process your payment and submit your order this time. No charges were made against your credit card or other selected payment method. Please try again in a few moments or call our Customer Service Center for help. Thank you for your patience.

Paul

I now have one for each of my kids. 🙂

Daniel

A question from one dad to another:

when will you give them to your kids?
As a bequeathment? Or earlier?
Its something a lot of us probably struggle with. A problem is “gifting” a coin set to someone when you die (and they are in their late 60’s), probably won’t ignite their passion for coin collecting and keeping your legacy going.

However doing it when they are young, means it could just get put in the bottom of a shoe box and forgotten about, or sold, or spent.

it’s a tough one.

Paul

I plan on passing down my collection when my children are well established and beyond the mid-life crisis stage. My father waited too long and held on to his coin collection until his passing. If my kids are not interested in the coins I’ll sell them and they may share in the profits via my estate. I think my daughter will want them, my son … not so much.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Paul,

I like your idea of asking them “beforehand” so that you can act accordingly. Thanks for sharing that idea, and I’m going to take it to heart.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Daniel,

Hobbies are a very individual inclination, and simply due to the odds of exactly how many people would actually be interested in maintaining a coin collection themselves I would imagine that most inheritances of that sort end up being sold by the beneficiary. If we aren’t immortal, why, after all, would our personal preferences in the way of possessions be?

Rob S

These are all good points to consider.
Mine are most likely going to my nieces, and I doubt they’ll keep them – I’m very fine with that. I hope the “fundage” helps them. But yes, a good question about when a good time would be?
1 of the main reasons, or perhaps only reason I get most of my proofs graded, is to help them with any hassle of selling.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rob S,

I think it’s very thoughtful of you to “prep” your coins for eventual sale, that is of course, only if that is the path your nieces will wish to follow, because, after all, one never knows what choices will possibly be made way down the road.

Rob S

Me too … only AFTER an HOUR+ of trying early today … and 6 hrs later getting the disappointing emails (1 confirmed, but no payment info, the other = “call us, sorry”).
1 S4!T day!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rob S,

The “other”? What’s that all about?

Rob S

Yup – got 2 emails in the same minute. A confirmation, and a “we’re sorry” email. And it seems like the “we’re sorry” (for our crap UI) won (?) the day.
Theres no payment in my “confirmed” order in my acct, even tho I selected my CC after MANY MANY iterations.
I (well, they) FAILED. What else is new. They got me this time.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rob S,

Bummer that. Did you call to see which would prevail or have you like many others of us pretty much lost faith in the Mint’s Customer Service Department’s information capabilities? I find that every now and then they actually have an answer that makes sense and/or tell you something that turns out to be true. Will wonders never cease!

Rob S

I definitely called since it wasnt obvious which simultaneous email was the case. They said they cannot update orders at all, much less correct the payment. Depending on the price$ and availablitiy, I may need to hit APMEX and pay up to complete my ASE proofs (minus the ’95 W – I’d rather buy a car for that $cratch). I must be obsessed now, after going thru my collection and cataloging what I have / missed a couple years back. I knew they’d get me eventually, but to go thru all this, and get this outcome, was a sucker punch… Read more »

domenic

I’m really surprised they have lasted this long….course im sure everyone had difficulties that first hour. I only decided at 5 minutes after product went on sale to try and get a set….. still available over 2 hours after starting bell!

gary

Holy S__T had doctors appointment today got home at 2:00 pm . So i tried anyway & got thru & confirmed can’t balieve it

Victor

Lucky!

Bob

Same here, I totally forgot, then saw belatedly the mint notice. Got on at 2:05 Eastern and was shocked to get through. Half hour later I checked and they were sold out.

Mammoth

Gary – sounds as though you were able to get just what the doctor ordered, minus the headaches the rest of us had to deal with. Good for you!

Kaiser Wilhelm

gary,

It’s a miracle! Notify the Vatican!

Greg

I got one at 2:26ET.

Greg 2

I was busy at noon and then couldn’t get on the site at 12:01. Around 2:25, I clicked on the mint reminder expecting to see Remind Me. It said Add to Cart. Crazy.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Greg 2,

Yes, it was an unusual day indeed. But in the end, a good one!

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Carl

Will probably be buyers remorse by some eBay buyers that paid a lot more than I would have. Decided if I couldn’t get one from the mint I just wouldn’t get one but was successful. More power to the eBay sellers it will be interesting to see if the price holds up.

Coinbread

125,000 On two unique Reverse Proof Silver Eagles priced at $87.50 each. I think the price is going to hold pretty well.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Carl,

The only fate I wish ebay profiteers is for them to get stuck with tons of expensive merchandise they can’t for the life of them unload. Now that would be poetic justice.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Carl,

The one thing we do know is that every time someone pays the outrageous prices that flippers and other re-sellers charge it will be just that much harder to get a coin straight from the Mint at the next sales event because indulging those greedy profiteers just encourages the very worst kind of behavior.

Greg

Finally went unavailable.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Greg,

It had to happen some time, but at least for this one go-around the score ended up as Collectors – 1, Flippers – O.

Paul

2:34 pm edt status is now remind me

Rooster

Looks like they reached their limit. “Remind Me” status.

Coinbread

This product is currently unavailable.” at 2:46pm

Mike Hunt

Coinbread — Given the relative HIGH interest in this set, I cannot understand that even under these worst of situations how they could remain available for almost 3 hours. A couple thoughts … Being a suspicious person I think their “order counter” may have had problems. Or maybe it was “by design” so as to frustrate flippers or HSN surrogates into giving up. Or maybe just for the Mint just to find out how many they could sell … and then make more of them later but just not disclose it (after all WHO really audits their numbers?) And my… Read more »

Rob S

I also worry about your #1 concern, as I never saw a test charge to my CC this time.
I just wonder if they had a major server crash from the “Black Monday” rush this was, and those of us that kept at it made it thru until they fixed the servers? But who knows.

I kept reloading, and sometimes it wouldnt recognize I was signed in, then crash again, then come back and remember I was logged in and the cart was still there. ODD!!

GatorLitigator

I had the same concern but I finally got a confirmation email just now, in addition to the “We received your order” email that I got right after placing the order. I had finally checked out at 1:06 p.m. EST after reloading and reinputting info countless times. I feel a lot more confident that I’ll end up with one after getting the confirmation email.

Domenic Vaiasicca

For me it was after it crashed the umpteenth time it showed my cart empty….. Then when i tried to order it said household limit reached. That was the only way i knew my order got thru!……and the later order acknowlegement email. It would crash before i ever got the mint conf screen. Their web site developers need to think out of the box to fix a probably that persistently gateway errors, timeouts, htmls, and loses cc info…..i mean really how many times must i input that!!!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Domenic V,

I’m not sure how much difference any of that would make as long as the limitlessly greedy profiteering re-sellers continue to absolutely bombard and overwhelm the Mint’s website with their tens of thousands of compensated surrogate buyers and whatever in the way of BOT intruders/invaders they still have the use of.

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Rob S

Well … CRUD!!
Got 2 emails at the same time ~ 6pm EST –
1 said confirmed, #2 said call us. So I did.
The order in my acct does not show my CC info. There were a TON of problems getting my CC info FROM my account to load properly.
The agent said the order cannot be placed because of something with the payment method.
So…
CANCELLED.
Waah waaaaaaahhhhhhhh. 🙁
Cant win ’em all. Cant have everything.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Rob S,

I had that problem with an order earlier this year and it stymied me, but this time I ignored the “grayed out” area with the credit card and shipping information and just hit the final order button and it worked. The brute force approach, I suppose.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rob S,

The Mint’s website just got swamped by all the usual suspects. Between the likes of good old Pinehurst, Mike Mezack, the Coin Vault, a further plethora of other Big Buyers and their compensated agents, and last but definitely not least the Brooklyn Buyers Club (the very same one that previously launched the site-swamping BOT attack) and its thousands of local resident minions, and then there’s poor little us trying to buy coins at the very same instant, is it any wonder the site decided to cry “Uncle”?

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Howard Klein

There was rumor that the Mint created a “waiting room” for the order carts which would allow more time to verify bots, c/c, household limits, etc. I got mine through after exactly 1 hour and received confirmation 5 hours after that.

Rodney Moore

I’m pretty sure that’s a rumor. The website was completely offline for the Southeastern states and probably the rest of the nation as well. Then around 1:20 pm Eastern time a page would load and then show errors, many of them indicating that there was no response from the Mint’s website. That’s not a waiting room. I’m sure the mint would love for the rumor to get started that the website wasn’t really crashing and was just their secret and very clever waiting room. I finally got my order in after an hour and ten minutes and I’ve seen many… Read more »

Larry T

Do you pay any attention to the people running Congress? If you honestly think calling these morons is going to change anything, then God help us all!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry,

I get that, but I do think that the point about the BOT interference may be valid. Just because the Mint made noises about how it finally managed to put the kibosh on the repetitive overwhelming BOT attacks from a certain Buyers Group (I’m fairly sure it’s that notorious massive one in Brooklyn) doesn’t mean they succeeded.

Larry T

Kaiser, Those dastardly BOTS! I guess this is all part of the wonderful world of high technology that we blissfully live in. I just get tired of hearing how we all need to contact our representatives every time we encounter a problem or situation out of our control. 99% of elected reps are bound to other entities..Special Interests, Big Business, Unions, and such. As you have said many times, it’s the same with dealing with the Mint. Who’s call are they going to take, the Authorized Buyers or ours? Are you considering the LE Silver Proof Set? It might be… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry T, We operate in a strange world, caught between the often questionable practices of the Mint on the one hand and the countless profiteering re-sellers and their tens of thousands of surrogate buyers on the other. Add to this already furious confrontation the continuing onslaught of the BOTS into the midst of it all and it’s not surprising that practically every coin release day turns into an extremely frustrating madhouse, one which only occasionally doesn’t turn into a general disappointment. The jury is still out on the LE Silver Proof set since that’s a fairly steep price for coins… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rodney Moore,

What can the Mint do as long as the profit-crazed re-sellers attack its website with every conceivable resource, human or electronic, they can manage to muster every time a highly desirable numismatic item is up for grabs?

If it was just us collectors doing the ordering every one of these coin releases would function like clockwork, but the relentless invasions as represented by the infamous BOT “Blitzkrieg” in combination with the monumental intrusion represented by the tens of thousands of enlisted and compensated buyers is more than the Mint’s website can handle.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Mike, I can fully understand your suspicions considering some of the past shenanigans of the Mint. This time, however, I really believe it was a natural, unassisted progression of events. The Mint site was flooded with orders from actual collectors like us while simultaneously having to field the usual massive intrusion of Big Dealer, Flipper and Buyers Club traffic and as such was pretty much slowed down to a crawl. I’m betting that it wasn’t long before the thousands of commissioned buying surrogates of these re-sellers, realizing their already low profit hopes for a single coin arrangement were going to… Read more »

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Mammoth

Kaiser, that’s a fair assessment of what actually occurred. I also doubt the Mint did anything different this time.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Mammoth,

I’m not sure how much the Mint is “on our side”, but I also don’t believe they are dedicated to destroying the hobby of coin collecting. I think they took a hands off approach this time, and with the HOL set at 1 this was the perfect opportunity for a bunch of dedicated collectors like us to dare the countless minions of the big profiteers to outwait us in the hunt for this coin set, and guess what, as far as I can surmise from the results this one time the re-sellers’ agents blinked first.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Mike,

At the risk of repeating myself (as I sometimes lose track), I really do think we collectors just outlasted the flippers this time. The extended order window only served our purposes, not theirs; they long before the end lost patience, I’m sure, whereas we were in it for the long hall. We, after all, care about these coins while the flippers are just in it for the money. For all they care they be just as happy selling seashells by the seashore if it lined their pockets with filthy lucre.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Mike, I don’t know if it indeed “was ‘by design’ so as to frustrate flippers or HSN surrogates into giving up”, but whether it was or not didn’t seem to matter because either way it worked. All of those overly greedy buzztards apparently started falling ever faster by the wayside as the minutes and eventually the hours ticked by until finally only those customers who were the real collectors and who wanted the coins for coins sake and not merely for profit stuck it out to the bitter, or in this particularly fortunate case the sweet end and got their… Read more »

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Captain Dunsel

In the bag in 20 seconds, 1 hour and 10 minutes to get through checkout. Been collecting from the mint for over 10 years. Used to be fun. Now eBay resellers are taking all the fun out of buying from the mint. And how come some sellers on eBay have multiple coin sets to sell if there is a limit of 1 each per buyer?
Well, just one more coin set left to go then I’m done for the year.

Brian

The eBay resellers will use multiple accounts under many people’s names and send them to different addresses (e.g. friends/family) in order to get multiple coin sets.

Lonnie

And your point is

Kaiser Wilhelm

Lonnie,

His point is simply that these profiteers are making things all that much more difficult or even impossible for actual coin collectors and that these grifters are therefore a real pain in the collective proverbial butt.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Captain Dunsel,

Not just the ebay flippers and their associates but also the thousands of surrogate buyers employed by the Big Dealers and tens of thousands of dedicated minions who make purchases from the Mint on behalf of the giant Buying Clubs (who according to the Mint launched the last great BOT attack); these are the individuals and entities who ruin the coin buying experience for the average collector.

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Christopher

My quick story. I still work part-time, and I leave my tablet in my car for days like today. Logged on at noon and got one in my cart immediately, and that’s where the “fun” began. I tried to checkout for 15 minutes and from finally gave up. Oh well. I left work at 1PM and decided to try again. My cart still had the one in it; I checked out and got one (I think). I received an “Order Acknowledgement” but still waiting for the “Confirmation.” At approximately 2:45EST the status read “Unavailable.”. So I am optimistic that I… Read more »

c_q

just got to stage 2 as I received the mint confirmation email. i’m not sure what is the real difference between ‘received’ and ‘confirmed’, but it is at least progress.

now waiting for stage 3, the shipping email, then I just have to hope USPS doesn’t lose it (it has happened).

Christopher Williams

My order history reads “Processing,” so I guess that’s a good sign. It was crazy. I gave up at 1:15PM, and 45 minutes later, I was able to checkout without hesitation.

Christopher Williams

Just received the “Conformation” email from the US Mint.

Mammoth

I received my confirmation email 15 minutes ago.
Today, the persistent folks managed to come out on top for once.

Christopher Williams

Isn’t that the truth. I had all but given up, but my common sense told me that a lot of the who couldn’t get in the first time, would not return for a second attempt.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Yep, fellows, we managed to beat the re-selling mob at their own game for once. I think the key was the HOL of 1; if we can get that every time, ordering should become less of a pain that it has been up until now.

Rob S

My order in my acct says processing, but got 2 emails – confirmed, and a “sorry, call us”. The order in my acct didnt seem to take my CC info as it is stored in my acct, and as I selected it. Had tons of issues with that.
Alas, sigh. pffffttt. 😉

Daniel

This was a crazy one, and I certainly haven’t experienced a release like it before … however, hearing stories here of people having doctor’s appointments, and working shifts, then coming back a couple of hours later and being able to purchase them has filled me with joy. I am under no misconceptions that this was a fail on the part of the mint, however they will be able to point at a long purchase window and quote stories of success. The reality is it was the bots, flippers and buying clubs which would bring the website to its knees. Not… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Daniel, You hit every nail right on the head; your statement explains beautifully exactly what happened on that day. The flippers and the buying clubs threw everything they had at us and amazingly enough and counterintuitive as it may seem, this unrelenting onslaught of theirs turned out to be their own undoing. They managed to jam the website up so well that they couldn’t order either, and by the time everything pretty much got untangled the interlopers and usurpers had left the site out of boredom while we true collectors on a mission were in fact just getting started. And… Read more »

Peter Gordon

Started before 9 am Pacific Times using my desktop. Got are you human message twice before 9 am and had tp pick pictures with airplanes. Then at 9 am sharp, clicked on order and got one in my cart right away. Went to quick checkout and the website problems started. All the problems referenced the Los Angeles gateway. Bad handshake, no server, time out, etc. Hit refresh over 30 times and got as far as 3 confirm order messages before I finally completed my order at 9:07 am Pacific time. Got my order received email message from the mint at… Read more »

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CoinMan

I think by the end of the year there will be a few low mintage coins people will be glad they purchased. With the majority of collectors focusing all their attention on the Morgan & Peace dollars coins like the uncirculated version of the Law Enforcement Memorial silver dollar, the $5 dollar gold piece and the 4 reverse proof 2021 American Innovation Dollars (just to name a few) will have extreme low final mintages with all the focus elsewhere. I really believe when all is said and done the uncirculated Law Enforcement dollar will not break the 10,000 mintage mark,… Read more »

Daniel

This bad boy has a mintage of only 100.
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Jesus-Christ-American-Silver-Eagle-1oz-999-Pure-Silver-Limited-Edition-Coin-/202683084522

For me, mintage only tells part of the story for a coin to be desirable. In my opinion, annual “commemorative coins” are more novelty factor than as part of a serious collection. E.g. A 2016 Mark Twain proof dollar sold for a RRP of $50.95, but can bought at a brick and mortar store for $54.95, so not a real solid investment over the last 5 years.

https://www.thepatrioticmint.com/2016-mark-twain-silver-commemorative-proof-dollar.html
in fact, $50.95 in 2016 is worth $57.95 today’s money

Kaiser Wilhelm

Daniel,

Yet another marvelous miracle. I can’t believe I missed out on that one.

Keep the hot line to the Vatican (I almost wrote “Pentagon”; Freudian slip?) open!

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Domenic Vaiasicca

My confirmation email came in at 2:28pst….4 hours after ordering.

Roxie60

Yeah, after all the headaches, web errors, risking reboot of device I was able to successfully checkout (got errors at every step but didn’t give up). My reverse coin collection is still intact. Felt like it was going to be like the 2019 reverse failure (had to pay aftermarket). Happy for all collectors that got one. Maybe the glitches worked in the collectors favor for once.

Roxie60

I was wrong, I’m still missing the 2019-S enhanced reverse proof SE. That experience was worse since after dealing w/ all the Mint site failures (similar to this week) I was unable to get the coin. This week I was able to purchase the set at the inflated price.

I’ve decided after this year I’m not going to buy business strike or proof silver eagles w/ the exception probably of reverse proof. The new design just isn’t as appealing, I was trying to give it some time. Plus it’s hard for me to justify these prices.

FViia

Just wait till I give the mint all my crazy ideas. I’m going to reinvigorate coin collecting. It will be the Mother Lode. Better save your cash.

Bluter

Somebody needs to be fired at the MINT. There is no reason for such a poor site and checkout process (Bad Gateway, etc). Please fire someone to affect change or shut it down. They have been promising to change things… but it is the same old stories. I enjoyed collecting as a child… but as an adult… this is a horribly run agency. I am about done dealing with them. If they can’t do it right… then get out of the way and let someone else run it.

Carl

Remember the good old days? I purchased the 2011 25th anniversary 5 coin set that included maybe the first reverse proof coins either by phone or at the public library, before the BOTS, without a problem. Shipped in a huge box. There is one on eBay in the unopened box for $799.

Christopher Williams

I sure do.

Rooster

It was easy to order back then for sure. The 2006 anniversary set had 3 coins and one of them was a reverse proof in both the silver and gold sets. That 2011 box is huge for sure. I have one still sealed.

Christopher Williams

Those were the good old days. Ordering with no issues.

Rooster

Christopher: Exactly! Never had issues.

Christopher Williams

I was checking some of the “Sold Auctions” on Ebay, and some of these sold via Pre-Sale for between $650.00 and $900.00.

Rooster

Christopher: Have not looked that up in many years. Thanks.

Christopher Williams

I was referring to today’s offering of the “2021 2-Coin Set,” Rooster.

The one thing I could never do (I am also involved in autographs, etc), is sell anything that I don’t have in my possession.

Rooster

Christopher: Gotcha! I did see that and was surprised.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Gentlemen,

We carried the day this time because the as always overly greedy re-sellers came in whole hog and jammed the website to a stand still, and when they tired of the long wait which they themselves had created we moved in and picked up a goodly number of Coin Sets while I’m sure a large percentage of these ebay and other assorted grifters bailed out when the waiting finally got to them. All in all this was a victory we can long savor.

Kennygee

Rooster I remember ordering the 25th anniversary sets. There were only 100,000 minted and the reverse proof and the uncirculated S coin were unique to the set. You were allowed 5 sets. I got home at 2:30 PM and got on line. The mints site was not upgraded yet and the internet connections were not as fast as they are today. I got 5 in about 10 minutes. I went next door to my sisters house and told her to try on the phone. From 3:00 PM to 5PM eastern she tried. At 5:00 PM she got through and they… Read more »

Rooster

Great example. That is cool that you got 5 sets. Your sister also. I remember back then people complained about not getting a coin that had been on sale for days. They were late to the game and the fault was their own as they had ample time to order. Times sure have changed.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Kennygee,

We couldn’t afford to do that thing with the multiple purchases these days because it was precisely and above all the HOL of 1 that made our one time victory over the re-sellers possible. The concerted effort of their tens of thousands of surrogate buyers has to be sufficiently diluted by the 1 coin/set Household Order Limit in order for us ordinary individual collectors to ever have a chance to acquire a coin or coins of our own.

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Larry T

Carl,

I have 8 of those sets still in two boxes. I believe they were $300 per set in 2011.

Roxie60

I really like the 25th anniversary set but if memory serves it was not without typical mint drama, I recall many complaints about the household limit being too high and going unavailable fairly quickly.

I like the 2006 set also but I don’t recall if there were issues w/ that offering.

Mark G

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Te Wa

I gave up on buying anything this year but I did try getting this set about 1:45 hours late to the game.

To my surprise, I was able to order and get the confirmation about 8 hours later.

Maybe there is progress being made to help the collectors.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Te Wa,

What you got was the result of a website glitch aka a phantom order.

Te Wa

I gave up on buying anything this year but I did try getting this set about 1:45 hours late to the game.

To my surprise, I was able to order and get the confirmation about 8 hours later.

Maybe there is progress being made to help the collectors.

Rooster

You did good on this. Expectations was for a sellout in as few as 10 minutes. The 1 per household limit helped everyone here. Congratulations!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rooster,

The HOL of 1 was a godsend!

Kaiser Wilhelm

And now I know it was in fact too good to be true. We were all buying non-existent coin sets via dead-end orders. Bummer.

Mark G

How strange. I planned to fight for one at 11 central. I was at work and an issue came up right before they became available. I figured “oh well, I just saved myself $175 and a boat load of frustration.” After I resolved the work issue I went and made myself a sandwich for lunch. By that time I forgot about the mint. At 12:56 central by my browser history I remember the coins and logged in thinking there’s no way any were available. The coins said they were available but I figured the mint just wanted me to put… Read more »

Rooster

Wow! I keep reading this and happy for all who got in late and basically avoided all the web interference with crashing the servers etc.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rooster,

Amen to that.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Mark,

Today it was all about timing, and late was better than early.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Yeah, and coming into the game late meant ordering from a sold-out menu. How many people have actually had their order shipped to them since then? Certainly not me!

Rickey L Kuck

That 20 till 12 I called the mint I was on hold till 20 after 12 never received a response got on my phone to try to place an order could not get through that way either got home about 2:30 just to see what the mint website had to say was able to place an order then shocked is an understatement don’t know what happened all I can think is that the website must have crashed and people can get 3 at all until I got back on about an hour later and it was a remind me note… Read more »

Jeffrey Booth

I had the usual problems so I almost had given up any hope, well I am glad to say after giving up I shut down the computer and walked away in disgust had a soft drink and used a different method to sign on to mint site. Mind you this was a hail Mary shot at nearly 2:00 pm I got to site placed order, this time all of my information was in place and had not vanished and to my shock the order went through and was confirmed by email. I will wait as one never knows until you… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Jeffrey Booth,

Congrats, and good for you for not giving up.

I have a feeling that from now on if we collectors just relentlessly and uninterruptedly keep attacking the site in the very same way as all of those endlessly annoying and always interfering profiteers do we will be able to effectively block them from making purchases at least as much as they try to block us from doing the same. Guess who will give up first and who will therefore prevail in the end?

Kaiser Wilhelm

And here we are now thirteen days later waiting for orders to ship with product that apparently no longer existed when our orders were supposedly “accepted.” Screwed again!

Victor

Attention all! The set is available right now!

Victor

Oh never mind. Not anymore.

Roxie60

Was that at 12 noon on Tuesday 9/14/21? Guess I didn’t think they would have processed initial orders that fast to be able to make available again in 24 hrs

Kaiser Wilhelm

Roxie60 & Victor,

“Remind Me” emails are effective for a shorter amount of time than it is humanly possible to make it to the item’s webpage to try to put in an order. I’ve been fooled by those so many times when I get one now I yawn.

Paul

I got a set in my basket at noon then I got booted off the site when I attempted to checkout. At about 1:15 p.m. I went back onto the site, just to see what was happening, I didn’t expect my coin to still be in my basket, but to my surprise there it was just waiting to check out. It took about 15 minutes before the check-out went through, but it finally happened! Now I have a receipt for the coin set. Surprised and happy! It was not a smooth transaction, but it was successful.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Paul, That’s exactly how it worked for me, which proves it wasn’t the website that was at fault but rather the constant bombardment of attempts by the tens of thousands of commissioned agents, minions and surrogates attacking the proceedings at the behest of the Big Buyers, Pro Flippers, and above all the Buyers Clubs, the parties now best known for unleashing a torrent of BOTS upon the Mint’s website during the ordering process. All we had to do was outlast the pesky humans and the relentless BOTS and we for once came out absolutely victorious at the conclusion of the… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Sorry. False alarm. No coins left for sale that day, but orders kept being taken anyway. Damn!

Butch Williams

Got two by accident purchased one didn’t show as confirmed so I did it again all by phone got confirmation that I have purchased two about a hour later

Rooster

Maybe you will get them but if it’s the same address it is doubtful. Keep us posted if you get them both. Curious minds want to know.

Victor

They will lift minimum after 24 hours. He may end up getting both.

Just looked. There is no household limit now.

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Rooster

That is a factor that could work in his favor but I doubt it. HOL of 1 the first 24 hours.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rooster & Victor,

I suppose we’ll have to let time be the judge of this. 😉

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Now thirteen days latter and hardly an order has shipped except to those people who got theirs in within the first half hour that day. I think the rest of us are SOL. Curses, foiled again.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rooster,

I’m curious also how this double dipping actually works, if it does, that is.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Butch Williams,

Good for you, but I don’t know for the life of me how you managed to end up with two.

Roger

On 9/13 I successfully logged onto the Mint web site after experiencing a browser check and at 12:00 noon I immediately placed my coin set into the bag. Then, all hell broke loose! 1. I proceeded to checkout as a registered customer. However, the credit card information stored was that of one I used over three years ago. I successfully entered the information of my present card. 2. From then on I kept getting all sorts of crazy messages (Bad Gateway, Timed Out, Boston Cloud Problem, Failed Hand Shake, etc.) that required me to start over again; which I did.… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Roger,

Your comment should be printed out, laminated, and sent to every decision maker at the U.S. Mint as you have perfectly diagrammed the formula for ordering success!

If only enough people read that and realize that this is the only way to go if we as individual collectors ever want to have a chance to get the most desirable coins.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Roger,

Absolutely spot on, nail on the head, brilliant analysis!

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gman1964

I received an email yesterday from the Patriotic Mint where I could pre-order this set graded RP70 by ANACS with a wooden box for $1294.95. Amazing.

I mean it does come with the box….

Roxie60

Lol, what a bargain

Christopher Williams

ANACS graded and a wood box. I’m sure HSN and Mike “Sold Out, Limited Edition” Mezack will have to same offering.

Roxie60

And a signed COA by someone supposedly important

rhunter

Aside from ebay, any other options for a Canadian collector who just wants 1 set?

Frank

Repeating what many said. I was logged on at high noon. The item was in my bag, then proceeded to get server errors, gateway errors, repeated demands to verify that I was human, screen automatically updating and emptying my bag.
Totally frustrating. As the clock passed 1:00, I decided to try one last time and was successful.
I don’t understand why the Mint can’t improve the hardware & bandwidth to handle peak capacity volume and an order processing backend to handle high volume transactions like Amazon does.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Frank,

Your description of what happened to you and how you proceeded explains everything. At roughly 1:00 P.M. the usual coterie of Big Dealers, Flippers and Buying Clubs began to lose both focus and attention and the price they paid for that was losing their control of the website. At that moment we avid collectors were still hard at work and were finally able to pounce and reaped the benefits of our long term interest and superior endurance and began cleaning up Coin Sets in the absence of the interference of the usual collection of extremely aggravating troublemakers.

Christopher Williams

Well written, Kaiser. It was quite a ride, and I look forward to this set in my hands.

Richard Margolis

I was able to order at 1:41 pm The set was confirmed by mint and they charged my cc. The problem is that it is still processing after 4 days. Anyone else having this problem? The uncirculated ASE purchased thru enrollment shipped the day after selling out

Shane Duncan

Last year’s v75 silver dollar event started after having a account, I logged in on the v75 and had a friend at work go online and went through guest, so I did guest as well. 3 computers trying to order and my login account ended with nothing but the guest portal orders worked for both of us and ended up with 2 v75 silver dollars received, So I used guest portal Monday on 2coin set and had same issues but got one like last year. Has anyone else had or can tell me why guest portal works better than login… Read more »

domenic

My two coin set and unc eagle are still both showing processing….

Christopher

Mine are still “Processing” also, but I believe that just means they haven’t shipped yet. Shipping is very, very slow from the US Mint these days. Very slow.

Richard Margolis

I guess that we are in the same boat, “still processing” Hopefully this week thay will be shipped

Kaiser Wilhelm

Now it’s thirteen days later and the damn Mint still won’t admit they in effect sold us coin sets that were all sold out by the time we got our supposed orders in. I think they’ll just leave them on “PROCESSING” forever and to hell with us. What a way to run a railroad!

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gman1964

While we are all still waiting for shipping, Mike Sleezak had the ANACS graded sets last night for $1299.95. He claims he had 289 sets to start with.

Rob S

I saw that, and given my order CC card slip up on their end, this just CHEESES me!!

I’ve seen Pinehurst on ebay is selling for about 1/2 that. Pre-sale of course. But I think alot of you collectors poo-poo that place here. So, not worth it at all?

Opinions? thx.

Richard Margolis

According to sold-out Mezack, he had 289 sets at PF70 and over 300 sets at PF69 He must have gotten over 600 sets with no advance purchasing How did they get First day of issue? Mine set is still processing for 9 days Something isn’t right.

Kaiser Wilhelm

They got them the crooked way they always do, how else. The whole system is rigged to favor re-sellers and to screw collectors. Too bad for us, I guess.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Funny how that works, eh?