2021-W Proof American Silver Eagle (Type 2) Release

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United States Mint blockbuster issues continue at noon (ET) today with the premiere of the "Type 2" 2021-W Proof American Silver Eagle, which features an enhanced obverse and a completely new reverse.

Type 2 2021-W Proof American Silver Eagle (obverse and reverse)
2021-W Proof American Silver Eagle, Type 2 (obverse and reverse)

Demand is expected to be intense for this collectible which has a product limit of just 300,000 coins and an initial household order limit of three.

The newly-redesigned piece continues the U.S. Mint’s 35-year old program which, up until this point, had showcased the same coin designs since their debut. This includes Adolph A. Weinman’s Walking Liberty design which first appeared on obverses of 1916-1947 half dollars and John M. Mercanti’s heraldic eagle image that originated on reverses of 1986 American Silver Eagles.

A 2021-W Proof Silver Eagle bearing these original classic, "Type 1," designs launched in February. It sold out within minutes.

Classic 2021-W Proof American Silver Eagle (obverse)
A CoinNews photo of a classic “Type 1” 2021-W Proof American Silver Eagle (obverse)
Classic 2021-W Proof American Silver Eagle (reverse)
A CoinNews photo of a classic “Type 1” 2021-W Proof American Silver Eagle (reverse)

An initial release date of July 1st had been planned for the new coin but that was pushed back until today as part of a broader schedule shuffle. The date changes gave the Mint more time to implement website and policy enhancements to deal with BOT traffic issues which customers have experienced while ordering high-demand products.

Refreshed and New Coin Designs

Weinman’s full-length depiction of Liberty wrapped in a flag still graces the newest coin’s obverse. This image, however, was refreshed using technological advancements. The Mint notes that this design is "a closer reflection of Weinman’s original vision and includes the addition of his traditional artist mark." Other inscriptions are traditional and include "LIBERTY," "IN GOD WE TRUST" and "2021.

Type 2 2021-W Proof American Silver Eagle (obverse)
A larger view of the coin’s obverse or heads side

Created by Emily Damstra and sculpted by Michael Gaudioso, the redesigned reverse (tails side) offers the likeness of an eagle as it prepares to land. The eagle is carrying an oak branch as it might be doing to build a nest.

Type 2 2021-W Proof American Silver Eagle (reverse)
A larger view of the coin’s reverse or tails side

"UNITED STATES OF AMERICA," "E PLURIBUS UNUM," "1 OZ. FINE SILVER," and "ONE DOLLAR" are all inscribed on the reverse along with a "W" mintmark indicating that the coin is produced at the U.S. Mint’s facility in West Point.

New Anti-counterfeiting Edge

The newest edition also contains a new reed pattern variation to assist in combating fakes.

Edges of Type 2, 2021 American Silver Eagle bullion coins
This CoinNews photo shows the edges of bullion Type 2 American Silver Eagles. The bullion coins are minted with investors in mind, and were released a few weeks earlier. Notice their anti-counterfeit reeded edge variation. The proof Silver Eagle released today for collectors features the same security feature.

Unchanged, U.S. Mint-provided coin specifications follow.

Proof Silver Eagle Specifications

Denomination: $1
Finish: Proof
Composition: 99.9% Silver
Weight: 1.000 troy oz.
(31.103 grams)
Diameter: 1.598 inches
(40.60 mm)
Edge: Reeded
Mint and Mint Mark: West Point – W
Privy Mark: none

 

Price and Ordering

When released at noon ET, the Type 2, 2021-W Proof American Silver Eagle may be ordered directly from the U.S. Mint via its online page dedicated to American Eagle coins. Pricing is $73 per coin.

Each proof Silver Eagle ships encapsulated within a black presentation box that is adorned with the United States Mint seal. An outer sleeve wraps the box, and it contains an image of the new reverse design. In addition, the coin is accompanied  by a U.S. Mint Certificate of Authenticity that bears an image of the obverse.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

It appears the Mint has honored its commitment to subscribers to the Enrollment Program as I for one have been notified that two of the 2021-W Type 2 American Silver Eagle coins will shortly be on their way to me, which is to say, I have in fact already been charged for them. Hallelujah! However, since the Household Order Limit is after all a grand total of three, at exactly high noon today EDT I will be going online to give it yet another exercise of the old college try to see if I can possibly acquire the final part… Read more »

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Best of luck to everyone today and may you get all the coins (up to three) you want!

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Mike Hunt

Kaiser —
I too received a confirmation of my order (for one coin). But I’ll probably log in to the Mint’s site just to see how long the order window stays open. Let’s all hope that the overall ordering process goes as smoothly as Jeff Bezos’s rocket launch and that it is a harbinger of how the future coin releases are handled.
— Mike

TheKings714

I too have an enrollment (for two coins) and received confirmation this morning. I logged in to the site to check status and although the site is slow, it seems to be running smoother than all other release days.

… And at 9:18 PST they are gone.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

You were fortunate to have had that experience, TheKings714 . While I was finally able to secure a coin, it was like navigating a madhouse to get there.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Now that coin is on Back Order with no further information supplied.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

My two enrollment coins are on their way to me now. The one on Back Order is “being transferred between facilities”. Okay…

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Kaiser Wilhelm

This has become a rather peculiar “progress” report. Now that one errant ASE, while still on Back Order, is either:
a) still being minted
b) between two locations
c) waiting for a cancellation
d) on hold for my credit card
I wonder how many more “explanations” the Mint will come up with?

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Kaiser Wilhelm

How possible is it to have an upbeat attitude when you know…

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Kaiser Wilhelm

THE MINT IS ABOUT TO MAKE SOME ADDITIONAL EAGLES OVER THE ALREADY SOLD OUT 300,000 COIN TOTAL LIMIT.

NOTE: THE ABOVE IS WHAT THEY TOLD ME IS THE WAY THEY WILL COVER ALL THE CURRENTLY OUTSTANDING BACK ORDERS, INCLUDING MINE, BUT IS THIS REALLY POSSIBLE?

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Kaiser Wilhelm

TO BE AS CLEAR AS POSSIBLE ABOUT THIS RATHER STARTLING RESPONSE TO MY LATEST INQUIRY REGARDING MY BACK ORDER, I WAS TOLD THE MINT WOULD BE PRODUCING AS MANY MORE OF THESE 2021-W TYPE 2 AMERICAN SILVER EAGLES AS IS NECESSARY TO FULFILL ALL OF THE REMAINING OUTSTANDING ORDERS.

NOW I’M REALLY PERPLEXED.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

TheKings714,

With the Mint operating the way it does these days as a free for all clearing house for the biggest dealers, re-sellers and flippers, all the best numismatic items are long gone before we little collectors even have a chance to get close to them. What is also clear is that we have a long memory and we don’t easily forget how for one coin sale after another the big guys get the coins and we little people get the shaft.

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Mike Hunt

Kaiser — On a whim I decided to order a second one for my brother (who does collect coins). Everything went well until I got a message to prove I was a human. I guess my browser denies cookies and Javascript is disabled. I must have hit that verification that I am a human button 20+ times and still no-go. So I went back to the shopping cart and tried again. Then, at 9:18, I got the message that it was sold out. So it looks like my brother won’t be getting that coin afterall. But worse yet I guess… Read more »

Mammoth

Well that is weird – I did not get a message to prove I was a human.
Maybe because I don’t have an enrollment?

Kaiser Wilhelm

Mammoth,
I don’t think that had anything to do with it. The Mint apparently doesn’t mind maintaining its well-earned reputation for having Stone Age IT.

Kaiser Wilhelm

I obviously can’t reveal my source, folks, but I was recently able to get a sneak peak at the very heart of the Mint’s sales department’s newly installed order-processing and BOT-blocking state of the art computer system, and let me tell you, it is awesome!

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Samuel Conroy

Same thing happened to me. I left them a negative feedback.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Samuel,
Good for you. We have recently learned that hearing from us in this way can actually make a difference regarding the policies of the Mint if enough people let themselves be heard.

Kaiser Wilhelm

And just like was done at the Capitol Building on January 6, we can intercede at the Mint on our own behalf with a similarly peaceful visit.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Samuel,

I was just thinking about what you said. All this negativity generated by the mishaps involved in ordering is not good for any of us, and the longer it goes on the worse it seems to get. What now?

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Mike,
I do hope you get the Enrollment coin, and I will be the first to attest to your being very human indeed. As for those cautionary browser notices from the Mint’s BOT blocker, you and I both know our browsers accept cookies as a matter of course and that Javascript is by default not disabled, so that’s a lot of hooey. The fact that I was eventually able to break through that nonsense shows it was all pretty much catch as catch can. I don’t think the Mint puts much stock in having functioning IT.

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Mike Hunt

Kaiser —
My “Enrollment Coin” shipped today and its charge against my credit card done on 7/20. So it appears that all is good … but I especially appreciate your good thoughts.

In return I thought you might like the picture I took during a visit to Nuremburg in August 2012. Fyi you could have purchased this collectible for only 690 Euros then (about $810 US today).

Schöne Grüße — Mike

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Mike, Good news about your coin being shipped; hooray for you! My pleasure regarding my thoughts; besides, I just calls ’em as I sees ’em. That is a great photo of a fabulously ornamental version of a Pickelhaube – and of the sign behind it soliciting other such mementos from the public – in the shop in Nurnberg. Danke schoen for including that, as I always enjoy reminders of the “Old Country”, even though technically Austria and not Germany represents that for me (I lived nine years in each successively, in that order). As for the price, who knows what… Read more »

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Mike,

As I re-read this entire thread I see one common theme here; the Mint has still done nothing to make it easier to order a coin from them. What the heck!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Mike,

It gets ever more difficult for me to wrap my head around the fact that while the Mint proclaims they are increasing the level of attention and care they are focusing on the ordering problem the more the Mint’s system continues to find ways to go awry. They definitely need help.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Mike, I logged on at high noon sharp and after taking some time to convince the BOT screener that I was indeed human I managed to make it all the way to the Place Order button when the screen suddenly blanked out and I was right back to standing accused of being a BOT. This time, however, the BOT notice just wouldn’t go away and kept switching back and forth between displaying just the BOT notice itself and the “I am human” bar or both simultaneously, all the while still insisting that I was an electronic manipulation of sorts. By… Read more »

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Mike Hunt

Kaiser — I know you know that I am a collector, not a hoarder or flipper. But from reading the replies on this blog it appears that “the Mint’s system” is at least somewhat inconsistent. While we’re on your very valid point about making our positions known to the Mint, might I suggest they add a “TEST COIN” (a no-charge item) for people to order … just to check out all of their browser and cookie settings so that they do not miss out on future coins like I did on this one. Also as you know, I only ordered… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Mike, First of all, thank you for the kind words; much appreciated. I try my best to as fairly as possible present my thoughts about the more than occasionally ineffective workings of the Mint not for the purpose of wanton criticism but with the intent of encouraging improvement there. I definitely know you to be a collector only, Mike, and I also know that the expectations you have of the Mint are not in any way unreasonable or excessive. The problem is that the Mint clearly has a difficult time meeting even those modest requests to provide an equitable and… Read more »

James bieler

I believe the mint programs are very unorganized. I reserved 3 proofs .
They even sent me an email saying they would be shipped soon. When the billing invoice came to me they are sending me 1 coin. Everytime would make an inquiry about the issue
I would get a different answer.
Uncle Sam knows how to make excellent coins but, they sure as hell don’t know how to market them.

J Bieler LT. USN (RETIRED)

Kaiser Wilhelm

James, You were being kind when you said the Mint programs are not well organized, as they can be a mess. Knowing that, if I were you I wouldn’t let that discrepancy regarding the one coin shipped versus the three you ordered go too long without trying to remedy it. I understand full well how all over the place their Customer Service can be, which is why the only way to pin them down about anything is to be persistent. Usually one can get a reasonable response from them by being patient with them and taking the time to ask… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Calling customer service at the Mint is like dialing the main number for Alice’s Wonderland. The only difference is the Mint’s Hatter is quite a bit madder.

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Mike d

August coins

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Do US man gets crazy traffic during the sale of one coin what about August when you have two top coins going on sale the same day it’s going to be freaking crazy and it’s going to get bogged down

Mike d

The peace dollar going on sale in August and on the same day do you have another silver dollar so I can’t imagine how the US mint say it’s going to handle that and which do you choose to get because by the time you logon for one the other one will be gone

Kaiser Wilhelm

Mike d,

There is indeed going to be one heck of an electronic traffic jam at the Mint’s ordering website for those two different centennial dollars, especially since there is no provision for Enrollments for those. This means that every single one of those coins will have to be ordered online that very day, and what a beyond-busy site that will result in.

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Mike d

Yeah I learned a special trick about logging into the que when at Disney trying to get on the Star Wars ride!! It filled up in seconds!!!! Much like the us mint site but it is all about timing and refresh the browser at the right time people!! Aug 10 coin sale will crash the system again,,people will be attempting both coins so 2x traffic,, whether you go for either coin the site is going to be hit vicious. A coin swapping after that day…Cannot be in 2 places at once lmao

Kaiser Wilhelm

Mike d,

I suppose it might be to everyone’s advantage to pick just one of the two coins and try to go for that one since going after two might be a ticket to ordering disaster.

Mike d

Yeah , the peace dollar has only 100,000 available and the other 300,000, but kind of irrelevant since the sight will take the same traffic during the frenzy but the reality is getting both in one day possible..
if you go for the peace will it be gone and then when you go for the other silver dollars it’s gone.. seem going for the 300,000 odds are better?? Lol

Mike d

Yep my new eagle shipped yesterday baby!!! Next is the peace!!! And going for the double in one baby man!!! Again all about timing that darn internet browser to load the page and REFRESH man!! The key is refreshing before 1 million other…Seconds make all the difference in with world when order in the frenzy like this!!!

Carl

Not so fast on the celebration, I have an enrollment for 2 coins also. For previous items that I have had enrollments for, I have received an email that the items have been ordered showing the order number and the credit card will show the pending charge. However this morning I didn’t receive the usual email and there isn’t a pending charge on my credit card. Hopefully all is well but will soon know for sure.

JWP

I got the USM confirmation email at 12:55 this morning, my credit card has the pending charge from the USM, and the USM order history for my account shows the order is in processing status. I feel confident that my enrollment is good to go. I hope your enrollment goes thru .

Kaiser Wilhelm

JWP,
It appears that all your ducks are in fact in a neat and tidy row. Congratulations!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Carl,
You should have gotten that already. I might suggest you call the Mint and verify your order is being processed. Good luck with that!

Daniel

Do when know when these bad boys ship?

Kaiser Wilhelm

Daniel,

They should start shipping those coins out this week unless the processing facility has another major Covid event, in which case, who knows.

Cedric Bland

Log into the mint, go to “My Account”, select “Oder History”, then select each order number unit you find your order for the ASE.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Cedric,

Good advice for Carl; that should get him somewhat closer to the facts. The only thing that might be missing from that page is the reason for the delay of the coin’s shipment, if that is what the problem is. Right now the Mint is unable to explain why my coin is on Back Order and that’s where the Order Page falls down on the job; it just has blanks where most of my information should be.

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Big T

I tried to join the enrollment but it is no longer available. Looks like I’ll be on at noon but the ASE is not my biggest concern – the remaining Morgans and Peace dollar, especially the Peace, is the one I am most worried about trying to obtain. In fact, if I could be guaranteed a Peace I would deny the ASE but I assure you I will try either way… good luck fellow cheeseheads, we are all that is left in the coin world.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Big T,
The Enrollments for all three varieties of the 2021 Type 2 ASE have been closed for quite a while now. Anyone who didn’t get in before they were shut off will just have to order each of those coins on their individual Release Day.

sam tweedy

John Mercanti Best Heraldic “Eagle” ever this one is not even close. But don’t worry Mike Mezack will be hawking these soon for a great “DEAL”…………… LOL

Kaiser Wilhelm

sam,
As will APMEX, Gov.Mint, SD Bullion, JM Bullion, Pinehurst Coins, Coin Vault, ebay, Amazon and Etsy. And the re-selling frenzy just keeps on growing.

Carl Warren

I also did not receive the email verification. However, this shows on my CC statement. I could be so lucky (probably not)

Image didn’t show properly. According to the CC statement I have a pending charge of $438.00. Got the feeling that is going to change.

Good luck to all

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Carl,
The CC statement comes first, the email verification will follow. I think you’re fine here.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Carl,

It just occurred to me that $438.00 represents 6 rather than 3 coins. I wonder how the Mint came up with that figure.

Carl Warren

I wondered the same thing. I just figured when the order was processed, it would just be for the 3 HHOL rather than the 6 I’ve always been enrolled for.

Who knows, maybe I’ll get lucky.

I am wondering, is the HHOL based on shipping address, billing address, your account email address? what if you have 2 or more separate enrollments for the same coin?

Kaiser Wilhelm

Carl, You hit on a loophole that I really don’t believe the Mint itself is aware of, and here’s the scoop on how that happens and how it works. The Mint establishes the Household Order Limit some time before the coin’s release. The Enrollment quantity you chose for a particular coin on an annual basis will prevail as long as it was entered before a coin has its HOL lowered. Once the HOL is reduced, then the Enrollment number permitted either goes down to a lower quantity or no further Enrollments are allowed. There is however an occasional but clearly… Read more »

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Carl

APMEX is almost $200 on eBay.

Steve

Pinehurst is sending out emails wanting to buy these for 125.00, can you imagine? I guess they want more than their allotment. I can’t find the words!

JWP

I got an email this morning from the capital mint, if I bought three they would give me another $100 plus postage. What a deal! I kind of think I’ll say no and just delete the email. Sometimes you just got to say no!

Kaiser Wilhelm

JWP,
That offer is so pitifully cheap I can only imagine the capital mint must be under the impression that you just got off the boat. I must admire the sheer cheekiness, because you know they will add at least $100 to the price of each coin, and quite likely a lot more, when they sell it. Here’s an idea: Have them send you the postage paid box, put a brick in it and mail it back at their expense. Just an old trick from the 1960’s. 🙂

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Steve,
This is what Pinehurst and its cohort of profiteers does best, capture as much of the coin supply as possible to justify the highest possible price increase.

JWP

There is an Ebay listing for 20 (twenty) for just $3,000. It states that it has 4 day shipping and would get to my Zip by 7/26/21. Says it is a confirmed order box of 20! Sounds like a questionable listing – or is this a bulk buyer FLIPPER! BEWARE!

Steve

Nothing surprises me anymore.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Steve,
Every time I’ve said that something else came along to surprise me…don’t lose the magic. 🙂

Jake

I believe originally you could order up to 25. Seth and KW for verification please.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Jake,
Good catch; that is absolutely correct. The original Household Order Limit was 25, and I believe it was only due to the fallout from the complete fiasco of the 2021-W Type 1 ASE sale earlier this year that convinced the Mint to drastically lower that HOL to 3. Clearly it made a big difference today.

Jake

Thanks KW. As much as it pains me not to get 25, I’m ok with a few more collectors jumping on board. The more the merrier!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Jake,

The way the Mint’s ordering system seems to regularly have a great deal of difficulty, and this of course is putting it as gently and mildly as possible, delivering even one coin per person, the idea of them actually being able to deliver on HOLs of 25 is like hoping the Tooth Fairy will leave a 1933 Gold Double Eagle under ones pillow.

Kaiser Wilhelm

By the way, not only was the original Household Order Limit for the 2021-W Type 2 American Silver Eagle set at 25, so too was the Enrollment Signup Limit. Fancy that.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

JWP,
Such a bargain they’re offering, what with charging a mere $150 per coin. Since we know these had a HHOL of 3, this offer is either completely bogus or only partially bogus. Ya plays the game and ya takes your chances, although they’re likely not very good in this case.

ron

the mint gave an enrollment maximum order number of 20 and a maximum household number of 3 on the day of release. i have had an open enrollment of the proofs set at 10 and got my email stating the charges and the shippment of them.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Ron, Quite frankly, I have absolutely no idea how you were able to manage your transaction with the Mint in that particular manner. The Household Order Limit overrides all other factors and as such it alone dictates the maximum number of coins you can order, whether by Enrollment or by Release Day Purchase. Precisely where on the Mint’s website it was that you came across 20 as being the “Enrollment Maximum Order Number” completely eludes me; I myself have never seen such a posting by the Mint. If you do indeed have 10 coins on their way to you now… Read more »

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ron

American Eagle 2021 One Ounce Silver Proof CoinWEST POINT (W)Qty:   10
TOTAL:$730.00
 Subtotal:$730.00Gift Box/Wrapping:$0.00Shipping & Handling:$0.00Order Total:$730.00

ron

this is from an email i got from the mint. my open enrollments on proof american eagles has been set at ten for a couple years. sometime in the spring i raised the amount to 20 but it seems they used the previous years purchase amount of 10. maybe that is why i supposedly am getting the 10 count order filled? i won’t know until i receive the shipment. my credit card shows one order for 10 billed and the other order for 1 billed. my enrollments have been this way for a couple years now. they are also set… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

ron,

As I already explained in my other comment in regard to your 10 coin Enrollment, the story of this whole process of yours has been fascinating to me. Is it possible that you’re one of the very few people who have actually been able to outwit the Mint at its own game?

Kaiser Wilhelm

ron, First I want to emphasize that I was in no way questioning your personal integrity in regard to what you were reporting to us. I was simply mystified as to how any of that could even be taking place considering what I knew about the release parameters of this particular American Silver Eagle, the 2021-W Type 2. By providing the link to the Enrollment web page for this coin you have in one fell swoop managed to clear the entire matter up for me; now I understand exactly what happened. That Enrollment page still indicates the original enrollment maximum… Read more »

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Now I’ve gotten yet a further education in Mint enrollment practices. The Mint’s enrollment maximum remains what it is unrelated to the level of the HOL. What occurred this time was that as long as the Mint was still taking enrollments for the 2021-W Type 2 American Silver Eagle the limit remained at 25, and as soon as the HOL was dropped from the same 25 to 3 the enrollment function stopped taking any new enrollments and rejected any increases whatsoever on those enrollments already in place. Note: the information in this comment supersedes everything in my comment immediately prior… Read more »

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Correction to the comment above. The Enrollment Limit for the 2021-W Type 2 American Silver Eagle was 25 and not 20 as stated previously.

Kaiser Wilhelm

My preceding series of comments illustrates quite plainly how information gathering is a very gradual cumulative process and that it is obviously not impossible for more than a few mistakes to occur along the way. The principle aim is to persevere until all the facts are clear.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Carl,
Well of course. This is why the Release Day rush to pull these types of coins out from under the lone collector, to create the artificial rarity and thereby justify the massive price increases.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Carl,
Well heck, at that price APMEX is practically giving it away. They must be trying to undercut the competition.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Carl, Like other coin and bullion merchants of their size, APMEX is quite able and very happy to work both sides of the U.S. Mint “experience.” On the one had it is one of the Mint’s very sizeable Authorized Buyers and subsequent re-sellers of bullion items, on the other it cashes in on the profit to be had from the re-sale of the most desirable numismatic pieces. APMEX accomplishes the latter by scooping up in as many was as possible as much of the Mint’s limited output of collector quality coins as it can. Once again all I can say… Read more »

don

A bit laggy but able to order one to go with my enrollment order of one. Maybe 3 minutes total to checkout. Odd thing though, when I look at order history. On my computer it shows only the enrollment, on my tablet it shows both.

Kaiser Wilhelm

don, There seems to be an odd pattern coming together here in this very regard. So far everyone’s Enrollments seem to be fully acknowledged by and being processed by the Mint while the coin orders that people put in online yesterday are being registered – or not, in some cases – in all manner of different ways by the Mint. It’s too early to tell what this means but I have a sneaky suspicion it might not be happy tidings after all. We shall see if everything turns out fine or if the Mint did us dirty yet one more… Read more »

David T

Bought a Proof 70 a month ago for August delivery for $224. Did get lucky and got three on the mints web sight this morning. However, I only wanted two. Did not want to modify the order since it had already gone thru. Maybe swap for a previous Morgan I did not get.

Kaiser Wilhelm

David,

You were indeed fortunate to get three. Congrats! I should have been as lucky, as I’m not sure anymore whether or not my third one is ever going to be coming my way.

Mammoth

No enrollment here, I signed on as a Guest right at 12:00 on the button. The order process went smoothly and two Proof 2021-W Type 2 ASE’s will soon be on their way.

Isn’t it ironic how we are always surprised when things go the way they are supposed to?

Mammoth

12:23 p.m.: ‘Currently Unavailable’
Wow, those sure sold out fast.

domenic

wow….well at least it seemed the order process was smooth for a change.and the sales lasted more than 5 minutes

Kaiser Wilhelm

domenic,
Smooth for some, more than slightly turbulent for others, as the wind seems to blow differently for each of us.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Mammoth,
“Currently Unavailable” is the unofficial motto of the U.S. Mint. Welcome to the race track.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Mammoth,

I have found that “Currently Unavailable” seems to be the default condition of pretty much anything really worth having from the Mint.

Daniel

I agree. Something is afoot. Although, a mintage of 300,000 for something that isn’t a Morgan, and is a mid-cycle (minimal) facelift makes me think this wasn’t exactly a collectable.

I’m not planning to sell my coins, but the fact that it was so easy to transact makes me think this was as popular as a red-headed stepson …

… or the mint fixed the website.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Daniel,
I might venture a guess that if this was the red-headed stepson he might be on his way to inherit some money. A brand new version of such a popular series as this may in the long run outdistance what amounts to a centennial replica of an old warhorse. Regardless, we’ll see.

Larry T

Hey…Why is everyone slamming red-headed males! I’m a red head and am feeling a bit of racism here! LOL. Wanted to see if anyone else is looking to purchase the 4 coin Proof gold American Eagle set when it becomes available on the 29th. I’m going to pick one up even though I’ll have to pay a severe premium for the gold.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry,

My comment regarding being red-headed was in fact a compliment; feel free to revel in it! 🙂

Hoo boy, that 4 coin gold proof set is above and beyond the scope of my wallet; those beauties are all yours.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Mammoth,
How true. One can only imagine a world where it actually works the other way around.

FViia

Got the 3rd after my early morning email for the 1st two, but it seemed like the website was bombed today. I do not think they really fixed anything, all BS. Very sad.

Kaiser Wilhelm

FViia,
Exactly the same scenario here. And yes, the website exhibited new iterations of old problems in that it went positively berserk at times. This can’t possibly be what passes for normal.

c_q

so, managed to get through a regular purchase in about 8 minutes. had to disable my ad-blocker in chrome because the ‘human-verification’ page was blocked by it. but it did eventually go through, no dreaded ‘page timeout’ like you got before all the time. so not exactly trouble-free, but not full of sucker-punches like before.

I was not emotionally invested in this particular coin as I’m not an annual collector of this, so just having one of the new design is fine for me, especially since the premium over silver on this one is a bit steep (nearly $50).

Big T

the human verification page is what kept me from getting the coin. I held the button and it just kept going ‘try again’ until the coin was gone… I’m so upset.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Big T,
Okay, so we are left to ask ourselves is this simple incompetence or complicated malfeasance? Only the Shadow (and likely the Mint) knows.

Kaiser Wilhelm

c_q,
I could only be perversely amused that this “human verification” application which was allegedly designed to once and for all stop BOTS yet again acted as a “human buyer blocker” instead. Perhaps a little more sophistication in differentiating between people and particles might be in order here.

c_q

stopping bots is hard, because they try to emulate people. everything you do on a web page can theoretically be done by a bot. the whole ‘hold down button and let go at right time’ thing is in fact difficult to program a bot around. same thing with other challenges that ask for you to identify the fragmented pictures of trucks or whatever. but I don’t understand why you have to remove ad blockers to even go through the challenge page – that seems like an excuse to just get you to disable your ad blocker.

Kaiser Wilhelm

c_q, I’m not exceptionally computer literate, so I’m not at all well versed in the abilities and/or behaviors of BOTS, but like with spam calls on the phone I’ve long dreamed of how great it would be if you could “reverse-program” spam and BOTS to go back to where they originated and melt down the device that launched them. Aren’t revenge fantasies great? Back in the real world, I don’t know what ad-blockers and BOT-blockers have to do with each other; maybe nothing. Part of me thinks that some of what happens to achieve success on the Mint website during… Read more »

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Mjs1447

Got in and ordered 2 – Unbelievable!!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Mjs1447,
Yes, yes it is.

domenic

Wow…that was weird…my order this morning actually went SMOOTH! No error messages!!! Not to mention i signed on 10 minutes late!. Got my 1 coin ordered. Happy!! Now hopefully i have no problem with the S mint when its released…since i have an enrollment for that!.

Big T

glad it went smooth for everyone – this time I got screwed…. couldn’t get past the human verification part. It just kept making me reverify and then it sold out.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Big T,
Bear in mind this wasn’t a case of skill wins out, this was a pure luck situation. Whoever clicked on the reverify at whatever for the BOT-stopper happened to be the “right moment” was given the keys to the kingdom, everyone else got perpetually held up at the moat. A program like that is unforgiving since there is no reasoning with it and there is no higher court of appeal; if you’re stuck, you’re stuck and that’s all there is to it.

Kaiser Wilhelm

domenic,
Your must have had your four leaf clover and your lucky rabbits foot in your pocket today, as many others got slam-dunked by the very same system that provided you with an unusually easy path to the finish. Congratulations, and best of luck with the San Francisco Proof also!

Jake

I enrolled for three, looks good to go. Oh man I would not be selling these to a flipper for a measly 125

Kaiser Wilhelm

Jake,
You went the right route. I only enrolled for two so I got to enjoy the standard sh*t show for the third coin.
What the flippers, whether big dealers or buying clubs, offer by way of premiums is far beyond insulting. We know they will re-sell it for at least double or triple what they’re offering us.

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Carl

It took me about 6 times with error messages before I was able to get one

Kaiser Wilhelm

Carl,

I can only join the chorus of “So, Mint people, is this what you call fixing your ordering experience?”

Big T

I couldn’t get past the BOT protector… sold out while in my shopping cart.
I’m so annoyed… this was their “improvement”??? Totally kept me from getting one – I need to figure out what happened so this doesn’t happen again.

Steve

Did you get the “You’re not a human”, I did as well and didn’t make out.

Daniel

Scary when a robot is assessing whether you are a human, then decides you aren’t.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Daniel,
A robot can only do what a human tells it to do. The Mint was, for whatever reason only their apparently labyrinthine thought processes could have come up with, interested in putting a major roadblock in the way of us ordering. Hmmm…that sounds rather familiar, doesn’t it?

Kaiser Wilhelm

Well, there goes the conspiracy theorist part of me running amok again.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Daniel,

Additional thought on BOTS versus HUMANITY. What if the former are in fact the superior species?

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Upon further reflection, I hereby choose to withdraw the above admittedly far too fanciful supposition. On the other hand, as according to Asimov’s Laws of Robotics Rule #1 robots cannot do anything that would in any way harm a human being, the Mint ordering website’s “robot” that made so many egregiously incorrect assumptions as to whether or not we prospective buyers were in fact human while we were in the process of trying to acquire a 2021-W Type 2 American Silver Eagle on July 20 is what is known as a Bad Robot.

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Big T

That’s exactly what happened. This is their new BOT protector but I could not get it to work… I held the button as requested (BOT cannot hold only click) and it gave the check mark but then said ‘try again’, that kept happening and I couldn’t even start over… I was so upset about that but gotta find a way around it… I didn’t get this one but I hope I can get the S ASE and the August Morgan and Peace coins… so maybe this was a good practice round … big FAIL for me

Kaiser Wilhelm

Big T, NOT your fault. Think of this as one of those jigsaw puzzles that comes with a piece missing and no matter what you do or how hard you try there is simply no way to finish it. That is how the Mint’s website works…there is always something that does not quite fit and/or work correctly. There is no “finding a way around” something that is so completely lacking in rhyme or reason; the only way to succeed amidst this cockeyed scenario is to be fortunate enough to find the magic key to the secret door. Pure dumb luck,… Read more »

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Steve,
Please don’t take that as a final judgment. We all think you are very human. 😉

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Steve,

Perhaps none of us are human and this is the Mint/Area 51 giving us the bad news.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Or, just like the Mint itself, their BOT defender robot clearly has a very poor understanding of how a typical standard issue human behaves.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Steve,

I suppose it’s still a whole lot better to hear “You’re not a human” from the Mint’s errant computer program than from your primary care physician. There would be no escaping the latter diagnosis.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Big T,
Don’t bother to waste your brain power on the mysteries of the Mint. I have said time and again on this site that the Mint has no concrete need to make us happy as long as everything of real value – and here I am quite purposely excluding the congressionally-mandated ridiculously high-mintage overpriced commemoratives – consistently sells out.

Rich

Big T, to help trouble shoot the problem you encountered, so it does not happen next time: 1) What browser were you using? ; 2) Were you using a smart phone/mobile device or a laptop/PC? and 3) Did you have an Ad Blocker running? If you had your Ad Blocker turned on, you should pause it or turn it off for the US Mint site.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rich,
Wish I had known about turning off the Ad Blocker before I ran into trouble with the Mint’s website BOT control system. Fortunately I figured it out after a series of misfires trying to get through the electronic roadblock and eventually made it to a successful checkout.

Kaiser Wilhelm

That “successful checkout” has turned into what is possibly a failure.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Big T,

A further development in my neck of the woods. I made it through all the barriers and managed to purchase a coin…or so I thought. Now it’s on “BACK ORDER”. The magician keeps pulling new bunnies out of his apparently very deep hat.

Michael Duggan

Got on before 12:00 and was able to order 3 around 12:04. Used a work PC so no request for the “prove your human” message.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Michael,

How does having a work PC prevent the “prove you’re human” message from appearing?

Big T

I used a PC and got the prove you’re human message. Someone said it was the ad blocker… that makes sense.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Big T,

It’s certainly possible the Ad Blocker had something to do with the problem(s) you had, but that doesn’t mean it was the only cause of the conundrum. That Mint site has been such a source of headaches for so long I don’t think it needs any outside help to screw up the simple task it is supposed to accomplish.

brianw

I’m still amazed being an IT guy that the U.S. mint still struggles with these releases. I was down for 2 coins through the enrollment program and received my order confirmation a day earlier than the release date but decided to try and get a third on release day. According to the website which was very wonky to say the least My order went through but I can’t access my order history which shows 2 orders, one for qty 2 coins and a separate one for 3 coins??? I’m guessing that these 2 orders will be combined in the background… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

brianw,

I also had two coins on Enrollment and then ordered one on July 20. The two former are on their way no problem while the one ordered separately on Release Day is now stuck in limbo. Like you said, Amazon handles millions more orders with no such boondogles happening every single time we try to buy a coin. Exactly what is the Mint’s deep seated problem?

Chris Terp

Logged on at 11:45 where had to press & hold a toggle letting me login. Attempted the press & hold twice before actually worked. Went to the new silver dollar page and got it in my cart and paid. Whole process of getting to page, putting in shipping bag and paying took less than two minutes. Got my US Mint notice that they’re processing my order quickly too. Shortly thereafter got my PayPal notice of payment pending then another email from US Mint confirming my order. US Mint not taking PayPal anymore so couldn’t use my PayPal Credit. Good thing… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Chris,
It’s possible you set the record for shortest time on site from Sign In to Place Order.

Chris Terp

Ha ha ha Dubya. Yeah less than two minutes was outstanding for high in demand coins and I was thinking that too but hoping I was just many in the crowd to experience this.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Chris,
While my crystal ball is a bit foggy today thanks to the humidity I would still guess that not many individual collector/buyers had anywhere near as easy a time of it as you did today. As that ’70’s Malcom McDowell movie title proclaimed, “Oh Lucky Man!”

Mjs1447

It looks like the Mint turns off the PayPal payment option on the day of high demand releases. I used that option to pay for an item a few weeks ago but it wasn’t available yesterday – I just checked and it is available again today. I wonder why?

Kaiser Wilhelm

Mjs1447,

I like that you’re asking why the Mint does something as if it was a reasonable entity, for example on that could somehow get through even a single sale day without experiencing a total nervous breakdown.

Robert Jakicic

Unfortunately for me for what ever reason the website kept on kicking me out and I went as far as reaching confirm order and yes I started the order process at 12:00 and yes I am enrolled.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Robert,
I assume you were still able to get your coin or coins via the Enrollment process even though you had no luck on line today. By the way, you were certainly not alone in getting booted by the Mint’s website; from the “word on the street” there was a regular epidemic of those completely mistaken expulsion-as-a-non-human events. Clearly there was “A Spaniard In The Works” as John Lennon once wrote.

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Rooster

Ordered 3 at noon. Went smooth but slow. Transaction done in about a minute. Others I know got in and some had errors that included the human verification confirmation that messed them up. Not sure if the “fix” is in. The success rate was less than 50%.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rooster, You just broke Chris Terp’s record for the shortest time from sign in to acquisition, and here I had just been thinking that with his two minute time from start to finish he had established an unassailable standard. Will surprises never cease. That quirky “Human Verification Confirmation” checkpoint was apparently the downfall of more than a few eager would-be-buyers; the Mint people obviously have some more serious ironing out of website issues to accomplish before the next big release or there will be yet more plaintive cries for their heads on a stick in their future. A less than… Read more »

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Rooster

That damn human verification boned me in the past but not this time. By less than 50% success was based on 5 people (including me) ordering and only 2 of us being successful. I may have been over a minute but not by much. Couldn’t believe I had no errors though. Got lucky after talking to my friends.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rooster,
Talking to your friends beforehand in the way of comparing experiences with regard to surmounting the challenges that ordering from the Mint all too frequently sends our way clearly helped you a great deal, as a one minute plus completion time readily attests to. Kudos and congratulations.

Chris Terp

Good going on a successful transaction. Unfortunate to learn that some of your colleagues did not acquire this coin.

I was surprised I didn’t have any hiccups of being informed I am not Human, getting kicked off US Mint website and my favorite, being “banned” from US Mint website while trying to proceed, checkout and pay for an item.

Makes me wonder if US Mint website needs to better define what problem is with a notification to user of the discrepancy so user can correct an error before being kicked off site and starting over?

Rooster

They moved above 50% since to their surprise their order came through. 3 out of 5 success rate.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rooster,

That’s all well and good, but now imagine what would happen if only 60% of the people who ordered from Amazon ever got their product.

Rooster

They would not be in business.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rooster,

Correct. Which leads me to conclude that the only reason the Mint is still in business is because it is (a) a monopoly; and (b) a government organization. A private firm with the Mint’s track record would have long ago been thrown into the dustbin of history.

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Chris Terp

Pleased to seeing others have speedy transactions.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Chris,

As I’ve discovered after the fact, my actually not-so-speedy transaction has turned into a complete debacle with my order having gone into a BACKORDER black hole . That I expected it to be any different with the Mint this time just shows what a silly optimist I still am.

domenic

HAHAHAH RCTV is asking something like 250.00 for the BULLION version of this coin! THEY ARE NUTS!

Kaiser Wilhelm

domenic, I’m really glad you brought up the issue of cleverly disguised sales of the Bullion versions of the American Silver Eagles, specifically because that especially underhanded twist to secondary market sales all too often eludes much of the coin buying public. I’ve already seen ads all over the place from an array of different re-sellers touting their readiness to sell all manner of both ungraded and slabbed 2021 Type 2 American Silver Eagles. What they seem to neglect to mention in their solicitations is that these are almost exclusively Bullion pieces as opposed to Numismatic Quality coins. The dead… Read more »

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Big T

In my opinion, NGC and PCGS should NOT grade bullion strikes that come in monster boxes and tubes of 20. Those are not collectible coins, and should not be slabbed. They are for bullion investors, period. Annoys me so much that they send a monster box to PCGS that has to be graded (either MS69 or MS70 for all of them) one by one and yet our “real” collectible coins, proofs, and old silver dollars sit in the que and wait. I still have a beautiful coin somewhere at PCGS for weeks now and they are flooded with grading bullion… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Big T, You’ve just raised an excellent point and a very valid objection here. I’m 100% with you in being flabbergasted by the fact that any Bullion strikes whatsoever are graded and slabbed. Doing that is after all no different than having your bars and ingots graded and slabbed; after all, Bullion is Bullion no matter how it’s shaped and what is stamped on it. It’s an oxymoron to say you have a MS-70 Bullion strike; the two concepts are mutually exclusive. Bullion is an investment tool, not a collectable item. Only Numismatic, or if you will Collector Quality coins… Read more »

Daniel

Okay, please help me out as I’m a bit of an idiot.
Its regarding the listing https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2021-W-American-Silver-Eagle-Type-2-PCGS-MS69-First-Strike-/304034769864?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0
is he selling the uncirculated version (21EGN) which isn’t released till September… but using language in his listing title for a 2021-W coin of:
“PRE-SALE Estimated shipping date week of July 26, 2021” in order to fool people into buying this, thinking it is a proof coin?
he won’t be able to fulfil orders for another 6 weeks at best … so it’s just an all- round con isn’t it?

that’s pretty low.

Daniel

edit: I am an idiot. Reading the words on the last photo of this article
”This CoinNews photo shows the edges of bullion Type 2 American Silver Eagles. The bullion coins are minted with investors in mind, and were released a few weeks earlier. Notice their anti-counterfeit reeded edge variation. The proof Silver Eagle released today for collectors features the same security feature.“

The mint doesn’t list bullion eh? Just flogs it to coin wholesalers?

Kaiser Wilhelm

Daniel, Since you essentially answered your own question already, I will restrict my own input to how this relates to the matter I discussed in a comment above about “disguised” Bullion American Silver Eagles. Re-sellers tout Bullion Grade as Collector Grade all the time; the most notorious site for this flim-flam is Amazon, where you would be hard pressed to buy an American Silver Eagle that wasn’t Bullion. The nasty trick there is that nowhere does it ever say that these aren’t the Numismatic quality ASE’s that everyone is looking for. What you’re getting is stamped bullion silver not meant… Read more »

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Daniel, This is yet another example of that coin-business-wide scam I have spoken about in some detail. That ebay ad is for a Bullion Strike that shouldn’t ever have been graded no should it be slabbed. This now common practice evolved out of greed that wasn’t being satisfied by the profits made from selling numismatic quality coins alone, so Bullion Strikes started getting treated as if they had something to do with collecting and are now ubiquitous across the spectrum of coin re-sellers: Amazon, ebay, etsy, APMEX, Pinehurst Coins, SD Bullion, JM Bullion, Coin Vault, Littleton Coin, Gov.Mint, Mike “Have… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Just when I thought it couldn’t get any weirder… I received a notice from the Mint informing me that the 2021-W Type 2 American Silver Eagle that I thought I had successfully acquired on line today after jumping through every hoop the Mint’s website put in my way is now on BACKORDER. In addition they are not currently charging me for it nor is there any indication remaining of the credit card I charged it to. What does that even mean when we all full well know that there aren’t going to be anymore of these made? I’m guessing this… Read more »

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Daniel

Had you received a confirmation email (apart from your original “order placed” email)?

Kaiser Wilhelm

Daniel,

No I have not, and considering the one I’ve gotten already says only BACKORDER with no indication of any dollar amount or charge to credit card info, I’m not holding my breath for any contrary positive development at this point.
I ran this situation past my dear and very wise wife this morning, and her response was that the problem could be that I might be harboring unrealistic expectations in believing that I could ever prevail on such a very uneven playing field. I think she may be right.

Chris Terp

Awful. Backorder could also mean that you’re on the list for the number of cancelled orders? Who knows what US Mint will be doing after all the COVID BS the Mint is hiding behind about low mintages: Maybe ramped up production when Mint fully opens and mints 2021 stamped coins later this year or in 2022? Behooves me that US Mint is closed when so many private business open: Meat packing facilities, grocery stores, now stadiums can be at full capacity, etc. – yet Mint decides they’re still on vacation? US Mint states silver blanks in short supply but I… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Chris, I understand your point about the cancelled orders, but why would the Mint even let me place my order if they didn’t have any more coins to fill it with. BACKORDER on a limited edition coin can’t be a good thing; in fact, since they can’t make any more I don’t know how this even applies. How can the silver blanks be in short supply when the identical planchets for the ASE Bullion coins are available in sufficient quantities to make millions upon millions of those Bullion pieces? I suppose the old but apparently tried and true expression “Good… Read more »

Larry T

Kaiser, My understanding is by law, the Mint has to make the bullion coins to fulfill demand before making the collector versions. Remember 2009? I’m a bit surprised what with the Chinese Covid fiasco and demand for the new designed bullion coins that we even have an opportunity to purchase these Proofs.I have to say that I chuckled a bit when typing the “by law”, as law doesn’t seem to be very pertinent in todays society.

FViia

Spot on Larry. Selectively enforced too.

FViia

Trying to silence you?

Kaiser Wilhelm

FViia,

Funny you should bring that up, because at the risk of sounding paranoid, I must admit the possibility has crossed my mind. I have long been a vocal advocate of reform at the Mint and have never been reluctant to address, down to the last detail, the various inequities existing in the Mint’s very suspect pattern of sales; perhaps they simply had enough. Who knows.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Then again, I’m not even a bug on the Mint Director’s limousine’s windshield, so they’re not about to give a hoot about what I write.
Just being realistic.

Rich

Not to worry, Sir Kaiser, your online order for the one 2021-W Type 2 ASE Proof has not been cancelled and the US Mint is not trying to cancel you! Since the order was placed on BackOrder, your order has been confirmed by the Mint but it’s fulfillment and shipping date has been set back or delayed. And of course the Mint will not charge/bill your credit card for the purchase until it ships out.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rich,

I would understand and accept that from the Mint regarding a different kind of product without an absolute mintage limit, but since this one was capped at 300,000 coins how on earth will they come up with any more to take care of the Backorders.

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domenic

Mine changed to backorder today also….ugh. What are the crazies at the mint doing???

Kaiser Wilhelm

domenic,

If I didn’t know any better – and it’s quite possible I don’t – I would suspect the Mint is in effect trying to “gaslight” us with this post-facto order changing. “Backorder” in this case means nothing, or rather an impossibility to fulfill, so I haven’t the foggiest notion how they will extricate themselves – or us, for that matter – from this.

Domenic Vaiasicca

Pisses me off especially after getting both emails

FViia

What % of the 300k went to bulk purchasers again? Trying to understand at 3 coins how many people were able to purchase (ballpark with assumptions) vs estimated traffic with flurry of mint emails, announcements, etc.

JWP

I think one part of what a lot of people aren’t looking at is the total number of enrollments multiplied by three. If there were 30,000 enrollments you had up to 90,000 coins automatically eliminated from the $300,000 available. My guess is it was in excess of 30,000 enrollments. I think this is probably the reason why the enrollment program was stopped for these silver eagles over a month ago. Now I could be wrong but a lot of people use the enrollment program, I’ve had my enrollment set up for years. I always ensure that my enrollments are active… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

JWP,

By putting our heads together in these comments the unavoidable reality has has become ever more obvcious that by the time yesterday’s Release Day came around a majority of the 2021-W Type 2 ASE’s were already long gone via one sort of acquisition or another. 30,000 to the Mint’s Bulk Purchase Program, a roughly estimated 90,000 to enrollments, and a ball park figure of 60,000 or more to various mass buyers via individually contracted agents; that’s already 180,000 out of a total of 300,000 right there.

Richard Margolis

The enrollments are open to any collectors. I got my 3 coins and they are being shipped today. Just join the enrollments and don;t fret the hassels of opening day. Unfortunately, the new Morgans and Peace dollar are not on the enrollments

Kaiser Wilhelm

Richard,

I certainly learned my lesson this time and whenever possible will be using Enrollments as the one sure way (I hope) to get a coin or coins.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

JWP,

I vastly underestimated the number of coins that were in fact sold via Enrollments. I originally believed the Enrollment maximum to be 3 just like the Household Order Limit, but as it turns out it was 25. Multiply that times the number of people who were savvy enough to enroll at the maximum level before the Mint locked the Enrollment function down and the new total for what was sold in that way may well be into six figures, which helps explains the short time it took for all the ASEs to be sold out on July 20.

Steve

10% (30,000) pieces.

Kaiser Wilhelm

FViia, Unless something has changed, 10% is the standard allotment of sales of the Product Limit of any item the Mint dedicates to the Bulk Purchase Program. Which of course is not to say that those who share in that discounted early windfall are in any way content to limit themselves to that share of the spoils. They also readily join the fray on Release Day with the complicity of solicited individual buyers on their behalf in addition to working with the likes of the PFS Buyers Club of Brooklyn which can by itself easily muster 20,000 members who each… Read more »

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Chris

Still can’t figure out why US hype the crap out of coins that have high mintage but try to make it a rarity. For example the 2021 gold proof sovereign mintage is Like 7500 that’s a Rarity. Not the 300,000 proof silver eagle cmon people. Don’t give in to the freaking BS!

JWP

The every day collector may not have $2,000 for a coin. But $73 is affordable
If you enjoy coin collection you like these coins. Dealing with the mint may not always be enjoyable, but if you think this is BS, then quit buying from the mint and stop complaining. Just grow up!

Chris

Lol I did quit buying from the mint I don’t buy US coins. I rather buy UK coins and others. Thank you very much.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Chris and JWP,

I don’t think that you’re exactly having a difference of opinion of “biblical proportions”; it’s simply that one of you likes American coinage and the other prefers foreign coinage. I would think there is more than enough room in the numismatic world for each of your preferences. Go in peace. 🙂

Kaiser Wilhelm

Chris, It’s a matter of supply and above all demand. Tens, if not hundreds of thousands of collectors want the American Silver Eagles; in comparison, how many care about the gold proof sovereign? It’s the same with Canadian coins and their extremely low mintages; sure, they’re scarce by the numbers, but who wants them regardless? There is also the pricing factor in this regard. Canada and great Britain both charge many more multiples of precious metal value for their coins than does the U.S. Mint while touting their low mintages, but again, a low mintage means very little to nothing… Read more »

Rich

Good points, Sir Kaiser, pertaining to this topic. Additionally, I would add that a Nation’s population mostly collect the coins of their own country for various reasons. Thus, Americans desire and collect American coins, Canadians collect Canadian coins, British collect British coinage, etc., for the most part. Here’s to coin collecting, “the King of Hobbies and the Hobby of Kings!”

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rich, You’re absolutely right, and thank you for pointing out this national coin preference factor, as I had neglected to mention that. I suppose it’s just natural that we would be most interested in what we are in effect surrounded by. For example, when I lived in Europe for my first 18 years I collected only European coins. However, looking back now with 20/20 hindsight I could kick myself for not holding on to any or better yet all of that fabulous 1930’s-1940’s (and later ’50’s and 60’s) American coinage that passed through my hands on those various Army bases,… Read more »

Daniel

A silver proof set of Australian coins was just released. Mintage of 1,000 … but you can buy a set easily if it tickles your fancy. https://eshop.ramint.gov.au/2021-fine-silver-proof-six-coin-year-set?_cldee=ZGFuaWVsQDE5NzcubmV0LmF1&recipientid=contact-3c7552c142b3e51180dc0050569462de-269a86a624884ddbb435ce609cbade5e&utm_source=ClickDimensions&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Mint%20News%20EDM%20-%2022%20July%202021%20&esid=beea58f6-1ae5-eb11-813a-0050569462de (The gold version has a mintage of 50, yet still available). The difference being, our Mint absolutely reams us when it comes to pricing. 6 coins with a combined weight of a little over 2 oz, for a bargain price of $295 USD. You can see why I think US coins are a good buy. The Royal Australian Mint has a reseller network to assist, which sell at the same price that they… Read more »

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Daniel, I don’t know whether or not it was part of your intent in presenting this material to us, but you have just made me appreciate our wacky American Mint a bit more, at least when it comes to cost of purchase. Holy Batman, Daniel, those Australian Mint prices are absolutely insane; how on earth can anyone afford to collect coins “Down Under”? I would be restricted to two or three pieces a year at those sky high prices! What an eye-opener. You’ve just helped me feel more grateful for what I have and worry less about what I think… Read more »

Larry T

Daniel, Aren’t the Kookaburra (sp) coins minted at the Perth Mint very popular? I’ve bought a few of he kilo kookaburras coins several years ago when silver was around $14/oz. thinking I’d sell them when silver got back to $50-$55.00/oz. But the coins are so well minted I’m not in any rush to part with them, even though I’ve already more than doubled my initial investment.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Chris,

The 2021 gold proof sovereign has two big problems; it’s far too expensive for the average collector and unless you have a particular interest in British coinage it has no appeal. On the other hand, the proof American Silver Eagle is within most people’s budgets and it means something to American collectors.

Antonio

My order didn’t go through yesterday, but today I received an email notification from the Mint that my order did go through. I wonder how it’ll be for the D and S 2021 Morgan dollars. I feel like I caught a bullet in my teeth. I also never got the “are you human” BOT in my ordering.

FViia

My bet is that there were some trying to order more than 3 after enrollment, and that they canceled orders where >3 at shipping address, then went back to the shopping cart orders just missing the cut. But what do I know in this upside down world. I was taught only two sexes, but some feel there are more…

Kaiser Wilhelm

FViia,

All I know is that I had ordered two through Enrollment and one via Place Order on the Release Day, and while the former order sailed through the latter somehow turned into a Back Order. These are the voyages of the Coinship Minterprise…

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Kaiser Wilhelm

FViia,

By the way, anyone who got to the Mint’s website early enough in the process was able to set their Enrollment for this Recent Release and the next two American Silver Eagles Type 2 as high as 25 coins. Just think, 75 coins each for those who had sufficient foresight. What a coup!

FViia

I saw that earlier this year, but decided against bumping each to 10 as I had already blown a bunch of cash and the Morgan and Peace Dollars were coming. Plan was to create 10 sets for kids and their cousins. Mint sure screwed that up!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Antonio,

Congrats…that is really good news! I really liked your analogy of catching the bullet in the teeth; how very appropriate. As for the next two Morgan Dollars, one might have to believe that navigating the Mint’s website that day will be another exercise in total madness if not sheer futility. You were lucky, by the way, that you were spared the “BOT test”; that oft repeated exercise in overcoming a relentless roadblock was a major source of frustration for many, including myself.

Antonio

I was able to order two of the privy mint mark Morgans, so I’m hoping for the rest as well. My real desire is for the Peace Dollar. The mint is toying with the idea of making the Morgans and Peace an annual issue. We will see. Still I count myself VERY fortunate.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Antonio,

As you should, since those who were able to match your successes are indeed few and far between. Good luck with the rest of that series!

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Daniel

Do we need to wait until October for these to ship as well?

Antonio

Looking on ebay, it looks like dealers have them already, and in grade PF70. When ever our orders are received, I doubt they’ll be PF70.

JWP

I just got confirmation that my order has been shipped. I Love the Enrollment program. I have used it for many years – makes life easy. I been getting coins from the mint since the mid 60’s – snail mail was the only order and delivery option back then for all you young PUPs. HA HA

Kaiser Wilhelm

JWP,

Which dinosaur was your favorite? I was particularly fond of Triceratops…loved those impressive horns! You got me all nostalgic for the good old days, brother, at least how I sometimes feel about them when I think back to growing up in the Fifties. The Super Constellation was the state of the art in flying, the cars had long pointy snouts, and what are now expensive and very scarce coins just bounced around in my pockets. If only I had at least an inkling regarding what they would someday be worth! 🙁

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Daniel

Random fact: We live closer to the time of Tyrannosaurus Rex than they lived to Stegosaurus.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Daniel,

Not only is that a rather astounding and counter-intuitive fact but it also makes more than abundantly clear how, big picture-wise, our time as a species on this planet is comparable to the size of a grain of sand relative to the world’s largest beach.

Mammoth

I remember, as a kid, climbing on the life-size Triceratops that is (was?) in front of the Smithsonian Museum of Natural History.

The sight of a little Mammoth sitting on top of a Triceratops must have entertained the folks passing by…

Kaiser Wilhelm

Mammoth,

Clearly this was a fun experience for you as a child, and not too incidentally a way to quicken your interest in things scientific. I certainly hope no one walking by spoiled the moment by remarking about the anachronistic juxtaposition. 🙂

Kaiser Wilhelm

Antonio,

Be sure to examine those ads very carefully, because ebay, like Amazon and Etsy, are famous for selling Bullion pieces as numismatic quality coinage with no advisory or disclaimer to alert you to the difference. Always look for that all-important mint mark on the reverse, because if there isn’t one it’s the melt-value Bullion version.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Antonio,

Maybe yes, maybe no, but on the type of strike rather than the grade. This is one of those times when it really pays to be extra careful in determining whether these slabbed ASEs are in fact Numismatic or Bullion quality.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Daniel,

No, you don’t have to wait that long, or at all for that matter, These coins have likely already started shipping and yours will be on their way to you shortly; hurrah!

Wayne Pinkham

This was a total farce. Doubt any collectors like myself were able to purchase one of the 300,000 that were suppose to be limited to 3 per family. At 12:00 noon EST I was able to place a coin in my bag. I went immediately to check out and after inputting my information received an error message. I tried contact the mint and finally got a call back from a .int agent who offered absolutely no help and was laughing at me through the whole call. There was no news coverage of this terrible event. I found many people selling… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Wayne, If it’s any consolation, you were one among a whole multitude of us who this happened to. Stories have been literally piling up here about how once more the Mint did its level best to screw over the little guy while simultaneously rewarding the Big Buyers and the Big Dealers. Some things, it appears, never change. There were so many roadblocks, detours and dead ends during the Mint’s “sale” that likely thousands of individual collectors got frozen out while the usual suspects danced, sang and, as is typical with the Mint, made out like the profiteering bandits they are,… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Wayne, As bad as the basically “impossible to buy a single coin event” was on Tuesday July 20, the aftermath is, if such a thing is even possible, that much worse. Coins that were on Enrollment are not being acknowledged (there is no sign of any confirmation emails), coins that were ordered that day have disappeared into neverland, and all attempts to contact the Mint by phone to try to get any of these unnecessary boondoggles straightened out are met with nothing but periods of endless hold music. In summary, from the first attempt at ordering to the latest attempt… Read more »

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Larry T

Wayne, Are you registered with the Mint? I only ask because you typed that you were “inputting my information” after placing the coin in the cart. I have all my info already set (address, shipping address, cc, etc) so with one or two clicks I’m out! When trying to procure any limited product from our esteemed Mint, time is of the essence!

Roger

I also experienced web site problems; could not even get onto the site. Kept getting a message that my IP address could not be recognized.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Roger,

That’s yet another bit of fancy footwork on the Mint’s part to deter you from ever getting to the point where you would be ready to order a coin and they would have do everything possible to keep you from doing just that to prevent you from knowing that they in fact had no more coins to sell even though it was barely after high noon.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Roger,

Just to be absolutely clear, I’m not saying that the Mint is in the business of actively conspiring against us; rather, what I mean is that the Mint is not reacting to their website’s multiple grievous shortcomings in order to hinder the common individual purchaser’s ordering progress as much as possible as a result of the Mint’s inaction.

Kirk Williams

Well,
I logged in and was checking out and the screen went to “The page cannot be found”. So I tried to to buy two coins again. By the time I clicked Check Out the coins were sold out. I was bummed so I went to another site and bought a 1/10 AGE and an uncirculated ASE. This morning I get an email “Your U.S. Mint order has been confirmed!” I’m very happy. 🙂 LOL

Kaiser Wilhelm

Kirk,

How could a Mint order that you never succeeded in placing in the first place now end up being confirmed? I don’t seem to be able to follow this sequence of events.

Mike F

My experience purchasing the 2020-W Type ASE went as follows. Log-on went smoothly. Accessing the screen to add the item to my bag was slow and appeared not to be working. I tapped the “Enter” key a second time and, wah-lah, I had TWO in my bag. What do I do? I decided to purchase both coins. (Prior experience with the Mint’s website told me “Don’t think too long while in the middle of the process”.) So I proceeded to checkout. Here I had the most trouble. My credit card info is stored in my Mint account. When I had… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Mike F, Upon reading the account of your experience with the ordering process and comparing it with my own and that of others here it appears to me that success or failure in being able to order and actually acquire one or more coins depended a lot on what the Mint’s ordering software felt like doing and/or allowing to be done at any given moment with any particular person. This does not seem or sound like the behavior of either a rationally or equitably functioning system but looks rather more to be a catch as catch can and the devil… Read more »

Seth Riesling

Maybe the U.S. Mint should change its motto on their official website & its official
e-mails from “Connecting America Through Coins” to “Disconnecting Coin Collectors Often” Sad!

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Seth,

Kaiser Wilhelm

You are so right. This endless nonsense with the Mint is pathetic.

Mike F

Oops. Should be 2021-W ASE in prior post.

Robert Fryery

I love the enrollment program. Without fighting the mints websight, I actually have the coins in my hands as of 5PM today. And at the time I enrolled, the limit was 5 coins. I expected my order to be reduced or actually cancelled, but all 5 arrived today.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Robert,

Whatever bottle with a coin genie in it that you rubbed to accomplish this miracle I would surely like one of also. Congrats!

Richard Margolis

I am still waiting for my coins to be shipped. The USPS has been notified, but they have not yet received the coins from the center.The enrollment did work

Kaiser Wilhelm

Richard,

I was told by what passes for the Mint’s Customer Service last night that my two Enrollment coins were still “Processing” and my July 20 ordered coin was on “Back Order.” I have as yet to receive any emails to confirm anything about any of that, so realistically speaking I know I might never receive those ASEs. And so it goes.

Richard Margolis

I just checked with the USPS and they have my package. It should be delivery on Wednesday

JWP

I had an order in processing status, so I called the mint x2. The 2nd call was fruitful, the lady told me yesterday that there was a problem in printing the labels for the USPS, but it was still good to go. She was also able to give me the tracking # that had not been printed yet. The coins are now in the system and the tracking # shows up when I track it in the USPS system. Hopefully your’s will be good also.

Kaiser Wilhelm

JWP,

I think I might just start keeping a list of all the imaginative reasons aka excuses the Mint has given as to why anyone’s 2021-W Type 2 American Silver Eagle Order hasn’t been accepted, acknowledged, confirmed, labeled, shipped and/or sent into earth orbit yet.

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SFBA

Robert, I do as well love the enrollment program. The same happened to me but here is the kicker I received 2 enrollment shipments via UPS with 5 coins each with different order numbers. I now have a total of 10 (ten) 2021-W ASE’s. Curious as to how this happened?

Kaiser Wilhelm

SFBA,

I bet there are lots of folks on this site who would love to have your “problem.”

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Kaiser Wilhelm

SFBA,

A further thought on your “coin bonanza” situation. I have found that sometimes the Mint’s Enrollment web page, for whatever inexplicable reason, creates a second line item of the enrollment of one or more particular items. It didn’t occur to me until after I read your comment that as a possible result of this it would actually be possible to have more than one enrollment for some items. Now that just might prove to be something useful to keep in mind for future application.

domenic

I am soooo not looking forward to Aug 3rd…

Kaiser Wilhelm

domenic,

You might by now have a pretty good idea of how heartily I second that emotion!

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Carl Warren

If you think Aug 3rd is going to be bad, wait until we all try and do anything Aug 10th and 12th

Kaiser Wilhelm

Carl,

Especially for those of us of a certain age, a nice restful noontime nap might be in order. Wouldn’t that be preferable to an event that might give you palpitations?

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Carl Warren

Kaiser – while I have an enrollment for the S-mint ASE’s, I would like to obtain the Peace Dollar. Hence the potential palpitations jumping through the hoops of the mint online ordering process.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Carl,

So you have no choice but to go with the old “nothing ventured, nothing gained” philosophy. Just keep smelling salts, nitro pills and somebody with the paddle machine ready to yell “clear” standing by.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

domenic,

Maybe what you need now is one of those modern day “everybody is a winner awards!”

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Carl

Enrollments vanished? I have had 2 enrollments for the proof silver American Eagle coins for several years, 2 shipped to me and 2 shipped to my granddaughters at their address. July 6 I received 2 emails to verify that the addresses were correct. July 17 I logged in and both enrollments were active and everything was ready to go. July 20 the emails I was expecting to see weren’t there. Called and they have no clue as to what happened to the enrollments. Before noon July 20 purchased 4 total from 2 sellers on eBay. So I’ll be getting the… Read more »

Carl Warren

Carl – enrollments vanished?? I hope not. I’ve been enrolled for 6 (5 for my grandkids) for a few years.

As for any of the emails they usually send out, I haven’t heard squat. Not for the type 2’s, not for the type 1’s, not for the Silver sets. I did get them for the Clad sets (yippee!).

Although my order status shows processing and my CC shows as pending, I’m not real optimistic that I will actually receive them. And that would really suck.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Carl W,

The flip side of the Mint’s operational quirks is that occasionally you can get surprised in a good way. Hopefully the fact that you haven’t heard anything yet by email doesn’t mean you’re not getting the coins you enrolled for. Best of luck with that!

Carl Warren

Kaiser – I found out why I wasn’t getting any of those emails. Seems when you change your email address in Account Settings, it doesn’t change in the My Enrollments Billing & Delivery Tab. That still had an address I stopped using 4 years ago.

Don’t recall if I got those particular emails in 2020 and earlier.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Carl,
I’m glad you were able to figure it out. As I began to say previously in a far more abbreviated form in a couple of comments placed somewhere else along this ever growing and twisting thread, there is so much that for one’s own good one has to thoroughly understand and constantly be aware of regarding the Mint’s web site in general and the ordering process specifically that one could easily use the internet equivalent of a “spirit guide” to properly guide one through this seemingly interminable thicket of questions, problems, errors and clearly accidental and/or possibly intentional obfuscations.

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Larry T

Carl, Did you sign up for the Type 2 ASE’s or had you been a previous Type 1 ASE enrollment customer. I got a notice some time ago from the Mint informing me that I had to enroll separately for the new designed coins. I did and got notification that two have been shipped. I have to admit that I wasn’t sure the enrollment program would work being that it is a government entity we are dealing with!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry,

Between Type 1 and Type 2, enrollment limits and and household order limits, pre-ship notices and shipped notifications, I’m all “informationed” out. I surrender.

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Larry T

Kaiser, I hear you brother. I feel as though I’m preparing for battle every time a new coin that I’d like to collect is released.Thank the Numismatic God I was able to subscribe to the enrollment program for all the Type 2’s. Still very anxious about securing some of the remaining Morgans and Peace Dollars.I might have to see a Psychiatrist before the release date of the Reverse Proof Set.And I’m still waiting to actually hold one in my hand.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry,

When I saw that a Reverse Proof Set was coming up on the Mint’s schedule I immediate went into Instant Panic Mode realizing how much I would want this and how very little chance if any I had of ever seeing it in my collection. Book me a shrink appointment too!

I totally agree with you about the feeling that comes over oneself facing one of those by now infamous Days Of Release At High Noon Of Very Limited Availability Extremely Desirable Coins…it’s like fighting the Stalingrad Battle of Numismatics! Yikes!

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Larry T

Kaiser, I was watching Mike Mezak on HSN hawking his “limited edition sold out “ coins and he said something that I found interesting. He said the Reverse Proof Set that will be coming out will be made in 100,000 or 150,000 sets. Now I rarely believe a single thing that comes out of his mouth, but I was wondering if he has advance notice from the Mint of their product limit for this set. The bottom line is if they do mint something close to 100,000 sets then we have a fair chance to procure at least one.He also… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry,

If that is true it would be an incredibly uplifting banner event. For once I want to suspend good sense, throw all caution to the wind, and actually believe that professional liar. We will just have to wait and see what the Mint has in store for us that day.

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Carl Warren

I, too, am hoping to get the 2 coin reverse proof set. Personally, I don’t trust anything Mezak says, but if, as you said, he is right maybe there’s a shot at getting one. I think it’s going to more along the line of 50/75,000 and a limit of 1 similar to the 2020 End of WW2 ASE or limited edition silver proof set.

I am also wondering if all 3 of the 2021 ASE’s will be part of the limited edition set since there are 3 less Quarters.

Larry T

I was wondering about that as well! Although I only thought they’d add one of the coins to the set.One always has to peruse the Mint site to keep up on these. Does anyone see why a particular coin, say the 2021 W Proof Type1,would be more coveted coming out of the Congratulation Set versus just buying the coin. They mint them all together but putting a few in different packages makes them worth so much more to some.The hawkers call these “subsets.”

Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry and Carl W, My opinion? I don’t think you’ll ever see more than one Proof American Silver Eagle in the LESPS no matter how few quarters (even if only one, for that matter!) it contains; that is just not how the Mint does business. The only question is which one of that year’s array of same they will choose to include in this year’s set. You’re so right, Larry, about that “Congratulation Set” provenance nonsense; I mean, who cares what packaging it came in, as in what exactly does that have to do with making it a distinctive coin?… Read more »

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Carl, I think we’re all lining up for this one as it should prove to be a beauty. However…since the total fiasco with that 2019-S Reverse Proof Silver Eagle that seemingly not a one of us “little guys” could get and that went straight to the big re-sellers who hawked it for $2000 and up, I have been very skeptical as to our chances of getting anything of this caliber whatever the mintage limit. Somehow the pirating profiteers just know how to score almost the Mint’s entire supply when it comes to a coin set like this that they know… Read more »

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Carl,

This is a real shame; sorry that happened to you! It’s hard to believe the Mint can’t find any record of your Enrollments, especially since you’ve had them for a while. While it’s a good thing you covered yourself otherwise, it’s a shame you have to make up the sizeable difference in price. If it isn’t always something, it’s not the Mint.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Carl, That enrollment system, while a godsend for us small customers of the Mint, does appear to have the occasional hiccup; knock on wood it has always worked for me. Every now and then, however, it spontaneously tries to “double up” on my enrollments and creates a duplicate line item for a product I already have in the system; in those cases, since I can’t delete the “cloned” line item I just zero out the amount. By the way, I hope you get your enrollments back to working so you don’t have to ever again resort to another one of… Read more »

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Carl

To Larry T. When I signed on and looked at the enrollments on July 17 both had July 20 for the release date so in my case even though the enrollments were from previous years for the 1986 reverse type all appeared to be in order. I suspect that some time in the future the enrollments will magically reappear on my account.

Larry T

Carl, You are probably right. I was lucky enough to have 2 ASE’s shipped to me as of yesterday and am hoping that I receive 10, like a lucky few have previously stated.I’m just wondering who’s order is going to be cancelled because people at the Mint can’t count to three. Unless they are going to mint more than 300,000 coins. I ordered another coin early on the release date and it’s been confirmed and is being processed, but who knows?

Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry and Carl,

I just yesterday discovered that the 3 Coin Household Order Limit was not applied to Enrollment Orders that had been registered on the Enrollment Page prior to the Mint lowering the HOL from 25 Coins to 3 Coins and simultaneously shutting off any Enrollment additions entirely.

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Larry T

Kaiser, I wonder if that’s going to be in effect going forward. I did enroll for 10 of the Burnished ASE’s and haven’t adjusted that number in my account. I don’t want to provide them any opportunity to screw things up.
By the way, do you know someone in the Mint? I’m always amazed about the information you seem to pull out of thin air. Its always greatly appreciated.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry, I’m afraid I do not have access to a clandestine informer operating on my behalf behind the solid walls of the Mint. What I do have going for me is a boundless curiosity and a love of accumulating information. Put that together with all the free time my retirement affords me and the ease with which the internet allows one to peer into every nook and cranny these days and you’ve essentially discovered my “secret”. By the way, it is extremely gratifying to know my efforts are appreciated, Larry; thank you very much for saying that. Besides, it is… Read more »

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Larry T

Kaiser, I hope you are right and I get to collect 10 of the burnished ASE’s. I’ve been collecting them since 2006 and have to say I liked the price I paid for them in ‘06 much better. They were $19.99 each! Shame I didn’t get 100.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry,

From all I’ve gathered since the release of the 2021-W T2 ASE you should have no problem getting all ten of those burnished beauties. The lesson learned here is that since these enrollments carry over from year to year the best strategy is to keep the quantities as high as possible unless you just don’t want that many.

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Larry T

Just received notification from the Mint that my 3rd ASE is on the way. I’m forced to give major kudos to the Mint.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry,

As you’ll see if you happen to read my latest comment below I am currently in the middle of a slightly different situation with the Mint, so please bear with me if I withhold my kudos for now, and depending on the “resolution”, maybe a lot longer. Clearly, you win some, you lose some and some get Covided out.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry,

By the way, congratulations and kudos to you!

Larry T

Thank Kaiser, I’m hoping your situation with your additional on-line order ends favorably for you as well. By the way, I enjoyed what your wife said about you putting up with the Mint in an earlier post. She sounds like a keeper to me!

Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry,

Those are very nice words to hear and kind wishes to receive, and I thank you for all of both of them. And yes, I hit the absolute jackpot when I got married to her; every day has been a complete joy!

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Kaiser Wilhelm

Larry and Carl,

I have found that enrollments are carried over from year to year, so unless you want to change the quantity of any one or more of them there’s no need to do anything in that area at all.

We don’t have to worry about anyone else getting “robbed” by the Mint to fulfill our orders, even if we put in an enrollment of 10. These are all calculated into the number of coins available anyway before Release Day, so no worries in that regard.

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Kaiser Wilhelm

I can’t help but share this one, my coin collecting friends. I contacted the Mint once again regarding my July 20 online-ordered and now Back-Ordered 2021-W Type 2 American Silver Eagle. This time instead of the story I was handed the first time about the coin still being somewhere other than the Mint’s Distribution Center I was told the issue was one regarding my credit card, in that they had to be certain that it was a legal, valid and functioning card. Please bear in mind that if the credit card wasn’t valid the order itself would not have been… Read more »

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Rich

Sir Kaiser, the stated situation of the problem with your credit card for your online order of the one 2021-W Type 2 ASE Proof coin (currently on backorder) sounds so absurd and unbelievable for the reasons you’ve already mentioned. By the way, was this same credit card used for your enrollment order for two of the coins which was successfully charged to your credit card? It almost sounds like the Mint representative you spoke to just made up that excuse. At the expense of having to endure another frustrating conversation with a Mint customer service representative, it might be worth… Read more »

Kaiser Wilhelm

Rich, Wow, you are really up on the details of this sorry saga; I would have to say you are a man who not only reads carefully but retains what his eyes collect. Kudos! Rich, as soon as the Mint rep began vacillating between the “we still have to verify your credit card” fairy tale and the other story to the effect that “as soon as someone cancels we can send it right out to you” more likely painful truth, I knew the Kaiser was in for some Big Trouble. I’m guessing the Mint oversold on July 20 in their… Read more »

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Mike F

Interesting. Last night (Saturday 24 July) I checked my cc website. There was a pending charge for two 2021-W T2 ASEs. My Mint account showed 2 coins back-ordered.
Today (Sunday 25 July), the back order is still active; however, the pending charge has vanished.

Kaiser Wilhelm

Mike, Now I know that I am not alone in having this experience. Both my email order confirmation and my Mint account for the one 2021-W T2 ASE I had ordered indicated that the coin was on Back Order. Neither of these “verifications”, however, made any reference to the credit card I had used nor of any dollar amount, and my cc account showed no charge whatsoever pending for this purchase. It is unfortunately a possibility that with the scenario being what it is so far we may indeed never see our coin(s) at all, but considering the recent abysmal… Read more »

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