Comments on: 2013 5-Star Generals Commemorative Coins in Gold, Silver and Clad

By: thePhelps

thePhelps — Mon, 25 Mar 2013 19:38:25 +0000

kevin – I might fit that now – but when I started collecting coins 30 to 35 years ago… I’d guess not so. Sad thing is for me – all the coins I wanted then cost too much – almost like today! (difference is I can afford the silver and now drool over the gold and platinum).

Ok… back to the war already in progress…

By: Shawn

Shawn — Sun, 24 Mar 2013 12:20:53 +0000

Kahoola,
Thanks for the recommendations. I had already found those two as well as another on the blood percentage issue ( which was common for Blacks and Native Americans as well). If you are involved in the movement, I wish you great success, though you might find there is greater sovereignty as a State then is commonly advertised- another long story. You can start at http://www.state-citizen.org.
Kevin, collecting coins and stamps as well, was something I was introduced to in my youth. I’m not sure how much these more traditional activities appeal to our current culture. So, older and white for me. Further, most enthusiasts in my experience are inclusive of all collectors- we love the history, the beauty and the acquisition of knowledge necessary to build good collections.

By: Kahoola

Kahoola — Sun, 24 Mar 2013 09:16:04 +0000

My apologies to the group for the politics. No more from me. But to Shawn, try “Nation Within” by Tom Coffrman and “Hawaii’s Story by Hawaii’s Queen” by Queen Liliuokalani. There are lots more.
To Kevin, it seems to me that most of the collectors i know are getting older. My friend’s kids had never seen a walking liberty half dollar a couple of years ago, had to give them one each so they could experience them. It seems that now days the kids all use their ipods and credit cards to buy stuff so they don’t even use coins, let alone collect them.

By: Kevin

Kevin — Sun, 24 Mar 2013 06:35:04 +0000

My wife thinks that the demographic for most coin collectors would be white, middle-aged male. Is she right?

By: steve1942

steve1942 — Sat, 23 Mar 2013 16:47:55 +0000

Hey, I’m sorry that I thought we could have selected a better General for the prime coin in this series. I certainly didn’t want to start a political discussion or argument. McCarthur was a good General, his men loved him. But, he was bad a following orders and it cost him his job (temporarily). Ike would have been better, although he is on so many coins already. If I had my way, I’d ignore the 5 Stars and dedicate the series to the best Generals. Then, Patton, another that had trouble with orders, would be in this series. As for the series, I feel the portraits are below average, not the most handsome set of coins.

By: Shawn

Shawn — Sat, 23 Mar 2013 12:49:45 +0000

Kahoola,
This probably requires much more investigation than I can give this presently, but it is another tragic instance of colonial imperialism. I cannot agree that Conklin is a nut case, however it is clear that the annexation was by joint resolution- not treaty.
Still, joint resolutions do have the force of law and in international law, contracts are contracts. The acceptance of benefits establishes a reciprocal relationship that is formally binding.
This was a typical colonial coup d’tat, worked all over the world by european and american powers through business influence. A great injustice was done to the Hawaiian people, but this is the raison d’tre of militarism.
It looks like I need to buy another book or two, could you make a recommendation?

By: Kahoola

Kahoola — Sat, 23 Mar 2013 05:51:21 +0000

Shawn,
No, this is written by a nut case Ken Conklin. The Newlands Joint Resolution of 1897 was the document he is quoting. It is a joint resolution of congress–look it up for yourself if you don’t believe. It is not a treaty. A joint resolution of congress is not a law, not a treaty, has no legal power. You cannot annex the oil fields of Kuwait with a joint resolution of congress. That requires a real, bilateral, treaty. There is not treaty of annexation for Hawai`i.

By: Shawn

Shawn — Sat, 23 Mar 2013 02:33:11 +0000

Kahoola,
Cleveland’s speech to Congress and his actions were quite honorable, but there was a treaty signed in 1898. See:
http://tinyurl.com/2748fgg
I would love to see more coins that celebrate peace as well, the Peace dollars are quite nice and a reasonable set can be acquired without breaking the bank.

By: Kahoola

Kahoola — Sat, 23 Mar 2013 00:58:15 +0000

There are dozens of coins commemorating wars, generals, military branches, military medals and other war related subjects. There are only about 3-4 coins that celebrate peace; the peace dollar 1921-1935; the native american dollars commemorating the treaties of peace, the great law of peace. We need to celebrate peace more.
The Kingdom of Hawai`i was a constitutional monarchy, neutral like Switzerland, and friendly with the US and had treaties of mutual recognition with the US. Queen Lili`uokalani was shocked by the actions of a rogue US diplomat and naval sea captain and expected the US to correct this miscarrage of justice. See Grover Cleveland’s address to the US Congress, it is in the US Congressional Record in 1893, pulling the annexation treaty. There was never an annexation treaty. Hawai`i has never been legally annexed. Paradoxically the birthers are right, Obama was not born in the US, he was born in the occupied Kingdom of Hawai`i.

By: RonnieBGood

RonnieBGood — Fri, 22 Mar 2013 22:56:11 +0000

and the ability to admit I can’t spell.