2017 $100 American Liberty 225th Anniversary High Relief Gold Coin Photos

by Mike Unser on May 19, 2017 · 56 comments

This article presents photos of a 2017 American Liberty High Relief Gold Coin, the United States Mint’s flagship 225th anniversary product.

Photos 2017 American Liberty 225th Anniversary High Relief Gold Coin

Photos of a 2017 American Liberty 225th Anniversary High Relief Gold Coin

Released on April 6, the West Point Mint-struck piece is composed from an ounce of 99.99% fine gold and bears a collector proof finish.

The gold coin introduces a new biennial design series where Liberty reflects the cultural and ethnic diversity of the United States. Forthcoming coins will show Lady Liberty portrayed as an Asian-American, Hispanic-American, and Indian-American among others, according to the U.S. Mint.

This first coin depicts Liberty rendered as an African-American woman wearing a crown of five-pointed stars. The reverse (tails) shows an eagle in flight, with eyes toward opportunity and a determination to attain it. Here’s a pair of photos showing both coin sides:

2017 American Liberty Gold Coin - Obverse and Reverse

These two CoinNews photos show the coin’s obverse and reverse side. The obverse featuring Lady Liberty was designed by Justin Kunz and sculpted by Phebe Hemphill. The American eagle reverse was designed by Chris Costello and sculpted by Michael Gaudioso.

The crown of stars pays homage to the bronze Statue of Freedom topping the dome of the U.S. Capitol.

2017 American Liberty Gold Coin - Obverse, stars

The coin’s crown of stars pays homage to the Statue of Freedom

Crown of Stars of Statue of Freedom

The crown of stars on the Statue of Freedom atop the U.S. Capitol dome

2017 American Liberty Gold Coin - Obverse, c

Here’s a closer look at the coin’s obverse with Liberty wearing a crown of stars. The design includes inscriptions of LIBERTY, 1792, 2017, IN GOD WE TRUST, and JK and PH for the artists.

This next photo offers a larger view of the coin’s eagle-in-flight reverse.

2017 American Liberty Gold Coin - Reverse, d

A CoinNews photo of a reverse. Surrounding inscriptions include UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, E PLURIBUS UNUM, 1OZ .9999 FINE GOLD, 100 DOLLARS, a W mintmark for the U.S. Mint facility in West Point, and CTC and MG for the artists.

Proof coins feature frosted designs and mirror-like backgrounds. The coin’s proof finish and laser frosting levels are hard to capture in photos, made more difficult by its high-relief format which throws around a lot of angled light. The following video offers a better showing of how the finish looks under light:

 

This collectible is actually the Mint’s very first high-relief $100 coin with a proof finish. The U.S. Mint’s first $100 American Liberty launched in 2015. It features a "business strike" finish, with photos of one here:

2015-W $100 American Liberty High Relief Gold Coin

Photo of the obverse and reverse of a 2015-W $100 American Liberty High Relief Gold Coin

Back to the newest coin… below are close-ups of the coin’s edge. It’s unique with three separated sets of raised edge inscriptions reading ★ 225th ANNIVERSARY ★. The first photo is of an edge straight on while the second photo is a topside view.

2017 American Liberty Gold Coin - Edge

Edge view of the high relief gold coin. It features three repeating but seperated inscriptions of ★ 225th ANNIVERSARY ★.

2017 American Liberty Gold Coin - Rim and Edge

Another view showing a portion of the coin’s edge

High-relief $100 American Liberty’s are a bit smaller but a tad thicker than other 1-ounce gold pieces, like the American Eagle and Buffalo gold coins. These two photos offer visual comparisons:

American Gold Eagle, American Liberty and American Buffalo Proof Gold Coins

The 2017 $100 American Liberty Gold Coin (center) with its diameter of 1.205 inches is slightly smaller than the 1.287 inch diameters of the American Gold Eagle (left) and the American Gold Buffalo (right)

Thickness of American Gold Eagle, American Liberty and American Buffalo Proof Gold Coins

The American Gold Buffalo (right) is slightly thicker at 0.116 inches than the American Gold Eagle (left) with its thickness of 0.113 inches. The 2017 American Liberty Gold Coin is a bit thicker than both those coins.

Available from the U.S. Mint right here, pricing of the 2017 $100 American Liberty is $1,640.00. That can change depending on the weekly average of LBMA gold. (It also launched on April 6 at $1,640.00.) The coin’s mintage limit is 100,000. It sales reached about 19% of the possible through the end of April.

These next two photos show a coin standing upright, which also highlights that each are encapsulated for protection.

2017 American Liberty Gold Coin - Obverse, Encapsulated, BlackBg

Another view of the 2017 $100 American Liberty Gold Coin’s obverse or heads side

2017 American Liberty Gold Coin - Reverse, Encapsulated, BlackBg

Another view of the 2017 $100 American Liberty Gold Coin’s reverse or tails side

Each ships within a black lacquered hardwood presentation case, and is accompanied by a booklet detailing the evolution of Lady Liberty. Below are photos of the coin’s packaging, its presentation case and the booklet.

2017 American Liberty Gold Coin Packaging

Packaging for the 2017 American Liberty Gold Coin includes and outer sleeve, a box, the presentation case, and a booklet

2017 American Liberty Gold Coin Presentation Case

A photo of the coin’s presentation case. The board holding the encapsulated coin may be positioned to better present the coin.

2017 American Liberty Gold Coin Booklet

A photo of the booklet that accompanies the coin

Later in 2017, the United States Mint will release .999 fine silver medal versions of the gold coin. Five of them are expected with two from the Philadelphia Mint (proof and reverse proof); one from the San Francisco Mint (proof); one from the Denver Mint (uncirculated); and one from the West Point Mint (enhanced uncirculated).

Last year, the Mint issued two silver medals bearing the same design as the 2015 American Liberty gold coin. The two were proofs, with one from West Point and the other from San Francisco. Both sold out within minutes.

Photos of 2016 American Liberty Silver Medals

CoinNews photos of last year’s American Liberty Silver Medals

In ending, below are a few more CoinNews photos of the coin under varying lighting conditions.

2017 American Liberty Gold Coin - Obverse, a

Obverse photo

2017 American Liberty Gold Coin - Obverse, b

Another obverse photo

2017 American Liberty Gold Coin - Obverse, d

Yet one more obverse photo

2017 American Liberty Gold Coin - Obverse, e

The final obverse photo

2017 American Liberty Gold Coin - Reverse, f

Reverse photo

2017 American Liberty Gold Coin - Reverse, c

Another reverse photo

2017 American Liberty Gold Coin - Reverse, b

Yet one more reverse photo

2017 American Liberty Gold Coin - Reverse, a

The final reverse photo

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Seth Riesling May 19, 2017 at 7:34 am

Mike Unser –

Thanks for the great article!
With sales of only 20,087 coins so far, this gold coin seems destined to be a rarity. I love my gold “black beauty” coin, even if the majority of collectors & dealers passed on this one due to racism.
The current price of this gold coin is $1640, not $1690 as stated in this article (it went up to $1690 a few weeks ago & dropped by $50 recently). A bargain!

-NumisDudeTx

michael angiolillo May 19, 2017 at 7:51 am

NumisDudeTx –

I agree that some ugly racist comments have been made on this board. But I think there is possible other reasons. For me, I think the pricing is a joke, just like the 2016 gold 25c and 50c. For proof, you can now buy a SP70 of both below the original price.

Tim/WhiteMan May 19, 2017 at 7:51 am

Yes NumisdudeTx you are correct with the comment about racism. It is so sad that we still live in a country full of racism. I also bought one of these coins and I consider it to be one of the most gorgeous coins in my collection. We will be laughing one day when this coin is worth alot more than what we paid for it .

Mike Unser May 19, 2017 at 7:56 am

Seth –

The price of the coin was updated. Thank you!

Danny Morano May 19, 2017 at 8:15 am

Mike,
Is this article and pictures which have been shown a number of times an attempt to highten interest in a disaster of a coin that has only sold less than 20% of the minted 100,000 since it’s release? If so, nice try. It won’t help it. But, you did do your best.
Sincerely, DrWho7

Seth Riesling May 19, 2017 at 9:36 am

michael angiolillo –

You are so right about the hefty premium the Mint is charging for this gold coin, but it is a first with raised edge lettering, a first 225th anniversary of the U.S. Mint coin & a first U.S. Mint coin depicting Lady Liberty as an African-American woman. And, it is a one-year only design & in Proof & in high relief & in .9999 fine 24-karat gold. It also will obviously have very low sales due to the racist collectors, dealers & investors who will not buy it Therefore, with all these factors, IMHO it has long-term potential for price increase in the 10-25 year investment period (although I will not sell it, but pass it on to family when I pass on).

Mike Unser & Danny Morano –

It is interesting to note that in leading up to the issue of this coin, the Mint mentioned that this coin depicts an African-American Lady Liberty in all it’s press releases & emails & advertisements & videos & in the live-streamed unveiling event in Washington DC, BUT, in their Spring Catalog that I just received in the mail yesterday, it has a 2-page spread with photos & doesn’t even mention that fact! The catalog pictures this coin on the front & back covers of the catalog also. The Mint was so caught off guard about the racist blowback that they had to shut down their social media sites about this product when it was unveiled to the public! I call this the “Trump Effect” for obvious reasons.
The Mint management & sales experts & marketing executives are still in shock I have heard about the negative reception on this gold coin that cost them a small fortune to develop! Even the 48-page hardbound book that comes with it had to be produced in two different cities in Maryland – one company did the printing & another company did the binding which added to the cost as did the special 3-segment collar to produce the raised edge lettering & stars. Very interesting for sure!

-NumisDudeTx

Danny Morano May 19, 2017 at 11:18 am

Seth,
You know I have the utmost respect for you but, I just cannot believe what you said about the mint executives, designers and others being caught off guard especially when you said they had to shut down their blog, website or whatever because of racist remarks. They knew from day one the backlash this coin was going to cause.
I also think it’s unfair to call this “The Trump Effect”. He wasn’t even president when the conception of this coin started. Everybody who was anybody who had anything to do with this coin knew of the racial implications of this coin and nothing anybody says will ever make me believe otherwise.
Respectfully, DrWho7

PAUL May 19, 2017 at 12:15 pm

I not only buy coins for the fact they’ll appreciate in value, but also for their beauty. I believe this coin to be ugly. I am not being racist, however I feel the Mint is diverging from what has historically represented Liberty. I will not buy one unless I see that others feel as I do and stay away thereby increasing its value.
8% of its 100,000 limit will make it appreciate in value.

Seth Riesling May 19, 2017 at 12:29 pm

Danny Morano –

I guess we will have to respectfully agree to disagree on this issue. But, I was at the invitation-only official unveiling of this coin in Washington DC at the Treasury Department building & I spoke to many employees & VIPS & the main speaker at the event who is an African-American lady executive at the Mint’s​ headquarters in DC & believe me, I didn’t hear a single concern about racism from them. They truly thought, as did the CCAC & CFA members did, that this would be a groundbreaking coin for the $100 gold coin series as the first one was in 2015 which sold out.
Of course, they learned the day it was unveiled publicly that day of the racist comments, but the coins we’re already being struck at the West Point Mint & they decided to continue with the program anyway.

Best wishes Danny,

-NumisDudeTx

HB Guy May 19, 2017 at 2:02 pm

Reasons not buy:

1. Way too expensive;
2. Way too many struck/minted;
3. Way too little appreciation potential;
4. Way too ugly obverse;
5. Way too many politically correct designs and themes from the USM.

Reasons to buy:

1.

Robert F Hall May 19, 2017 at 3:02 pm

I can’t believe the price of the coin. As far as it being ugly I don’t think so myself. It has beauty and is of a rare design. I will try to get the less expensive silver example.

Nels May 19, 2017 at 3:28 pm

Trump affect, give me a break! I don’t know why there is such stupid thinking as this but whatever goes wrong just blame Trump… I thank President Trump for being brave enough to take on such a job as this after Obama really messed things up with all the racial crap going on that he helped promote. Nuff said….
I think the coin is beautiful being GOLD. Very expensive and I think if the price drops maybe more will be sold.

Seth Riesling May 19, 2017 at 6:35 pm

Nels –

I don’t want to get into a political argument with anyone per se, but I wasn’t blaming President Trump – a successful businessman – but the large numbers of racists who came out & voted for him, most voting for the first time & only the ones who showed their ignorance as racists which of course was not every Trump voter by far. I am a reasonable gay Democrat, and have a number of LGBTQ Republican friends who voted for Trump.

Happy coin collecting!

-NumisDudeTx

Nels May 20, 2017 at 12:19 am

Seth Riesling, that was the most racists comment you have made yet! Most of the ppl that voted for Trump wanted a change in America. This is something I wished for all my life as every year since I was old enough to vote and see all the promises made but next to none was kept. Look at Hillary and all the wrong sleazy things she has done. So glad she didn’t make it as are president. President Trump is not perfect by a long shot but he’s done a lot of good so far. I knew you were a democratic. Didn’t know about the gay part and don’t even want to. That’s your business and I have nothing against gays. Just wish everyone would calm down and get along with each other. This world is a mess and the democratic side are so full of hate. We need the rights we have restored and democrats and republicans stop trying to run are lives and change the laws to make things worse for the law abiding citizens. The bad evil ppl won’t live by these rules and never have. We have the bill of rights and Constitution that should be upheld to its fullest. All things said I think you are an ok person. Yes I was what the left calls deplorable that voted for Trump to drain the swamp and get America back on the right track. Sure didn’t need another 4 years the way things were going. Nuff said and you take care Seth. Like I said I think you are an ok person so don’t take things the wrong way. Happy coin collecting:)

Seth Riesling May 20, 2017 at 4:55 am

Nels –

Thanks for sharing your political views with me, but I was not being disrespectful. I was just making an observation from what I viewed during the past polarizing election. I actually have hopes that President Trump will nominate an experienced numismatist to be US Mint Director since we haven’t had one in more than 6 years. It doesn’t matter to me if the person is a Democrat or Republican, as long as they are qualified & are looking to straighten out the Mint & make it better. If President Trump can do that, I will be impressed & happy for sure. Both of the US Senators from my home state of Texas are Republicans, & I keep in touch with their offices about such subjects as the Mint, so hopefully they will confirm a qualified candidate as soon as the president nominates one.

-NumisDudeTx

Nels May 20, 2017 at 9:15 am

Seth Reisling, yes that would be nice and I’m the same way on voting. I always like reading what you and Danny Morano has to say about coins and that idea fits in nicely! Something good has to happen with the Mint soon!
Ps. I wish I had the ‘s’ of the ALSM coins! I think they are beautiful!

Seth Riesling May 20, 2017 at 12:29 pm

Nels –

I don’t usually recommend one dealer’s offers, but I got an email yesterday from Modern Coin Mart (MCM) in Sarasota, Florida about their current sale on more than 500 different coins & medals. They have what you are looking for – the 2016-S American Liberty Proof silver medals in original Mint packaging for sale at $95 (the regular price is $104) with free Shipping till tomorrow at midnight. I haven’t looked elsewhere recently, but this seems to be a fair price considering how few were offered (12,500). Good luck Nels!

-NumisDudeTx

joera May 20, 2017 at 2:37 pm

HB Guy-

The coin’s mintage limit is 100,00. That’s the “limit” not the final sales of the coin which will be much, much lower! Like the 2016 National Park Service Commemorative $5 gold coin the mintage limit was a lot higher than the final sales count which made it a record low mintage coin. Few saw the potential of this $5 gold coin thus increasing it’s value. IMHO this will happen again with this gold coin. The coin is expensive for being an ounce of gold but it’s value in the future will increase.

Patriot1 May 20, 2017 at 6:07 pm

I do not think that the low sale figures on this coin is related to racism as some have speculated. My opinion is it is a terrible design, nothing to do with the a
African American model. The mint could have chosen the same model with a different profile or full figure profile. I know the big stars are on the figure on the capital dome but does not look good on a coin. It would look better with a crown of small 13 stars are something like Lady Liberty in New York. This is a coin failure of design not racism. It is almost if someone decided that there was going to be a lady liberty represented by an obvious African American with little consideration of the design around the model. I see this as a disservice to the African American image to not provide a better setting for the model.

This will be a low sale number due to an unappealing design. I do not see the price increasing just because of the low sales numbers. My experience is that coins that appreciate in value are those that are popular and mintage is less than demand not unpopular coins that won’t sell. At this price I as an investor would much rather invest in the American Eagle or Buffalo which are much more marketable in the secondary market. It is not due to racism. Consider the popularity of the Jackie Robinson coin as well as others. This coin is a fail due to design.

Hewhodontknow May 21, 2017 at 8:45 am

Nels, what “good things” has Trump done so far? Am curious to know, other than deporting immigrant workers, aligning with russia,firing the FBI director, his family selling “private visas” for the wealthy Chinese and damn near about to start a nuclear war against North Korea.
Well ya wanted a change right? Hahahaha Lol

Hewhodontknow May 21, 2017 at 8:46 am

BEAUTIFUL COIN!!!!!

Sturgeon May 21, 2017 at 2:27 pm

Hewhodontknow——Of course you’re wrong

CoinsA-Z May 21, 2017 at 2:55 pm

The 4 primary reasons for those who do not want to buy this coin do indeed run from a racist attitude held, to blind ignorance (the spewing of the “it’s politically correct” mantra) about what this coin series actually represents (including honoring our nation’s diversity), to too expensive for such a high mintage coin, to some not liking the aesthetics of the design.

Only the last 2 reasons are sensible reasons.

It is sad to see the racist attitudes and the ignorance displayed by far too many people who’ve commented somewhere on the WWW about this coin.

Gary Lomax May 21, 2017 at 10:49 pm

Just a disgustingly ugly coin. Horrible rendition of Lady Liberty. And sales show what a huge mistake they made. Liberals are extreme racists. Remember, The Democrat Party founded the KKK.

Nels May 22, 2017 at 2:47 am

Hewhodontknow, lol

Kahoola May 22, 2017 at 5:01 am

Beautiful coin. Problem with gold is that it is relatively unaffordable, nobody keeps gold at home, ends up in the safe deposit box, can’t appreciate them locked up like that. Then there is the issue of all the materials associated. At this stage in life, have way too many boxes, books and not enough space for them and for collecting interest you need to keep all of the stuff. If the concept of citizens being Afro-American scares you, fine. Don’t buy the coin. Don’t buy the medal. At lest this gives me a better chance to buy the silver medal which hopefully will be able to afford, keep at home and look at.

SalivateMetal May 22, 2017 at 7:32 am

Those who cry “racism” because of us who recognize that political correctness is a poison in society are insulting and xenophobic. Many of us who are critical at the obvious political motive behind the American Liberty gold coin theme, not just with this coin but for every design coming out bi-annually have no problem with honoring black heroes in American History. The US Mint released the Frederick Douglass quarter, a true hero of the civil rights movement and champion of freedom for blacks and women’s rights! You don’t see the controversy there for good reason. You didn’t see controversy around the 1998 Black Patriots silver dollar. Stop dividing this country and the collecting community by your ignorance and assuming we’re racists just because we recognize political correctness for what it is. With that being said let me express my huge thanks to coinnews.net for their photographic expose on this piece and others. It;s not easy photographing coins and they did a great job. I will also say that the design of this piece looks better than in the renderings and lady liberty doesn’t look as angry, which was a criticism of mine for the design.

CoinsA-Z May 22, 2017 at 7:58 am

No doubt that there are some people in the US who harbor a racist attitude regardless of their skin pigmentation.

But for those who assume that because someone holds Conservative views, or Liberal views, or is “white” or of any particular skin color that these specific traits or political opinions make someone a racist, then you are only fooling yourself and ignorant people for believing that.

Also, there’s nothing politically correct about a coin series that intends to symbolize people of color in the U.S. That would be akin to claiming that it’s politically correct to showcase women on a U.S. coin series. Separating fact from fiction is important in this world. On the other hand, what would be politically correct is if the “Founding Fathers” were all depicted as “black” people and chattel enslaved people during that time were depicted as “white” people as a form of a political statement…..but that’s completely different from what the coin series that is being discussed here is about or even intends to promote.

Seth Riesling May 22, 2017 at 11:13 am

The USA Census Bureau has calculated that citizens of black & brown skin color will be a majority of the USA population in 2042 – just 25 years from now (maybe less, according to some studies by other statisticians). They will be the buyer’s of this beautiful gold coin on the secondary market then as their socio-ecomomic situation improves. A great thing for sure!

-NumisDudeTx

CoinsA-Z May 22, 2017 at 11:22 am

Seth, interesting take on this.

I’ve seen the coin first hand and it’s stunning. In fact, on YouTube I did a “First Look and Unboxing” video showing close up video of this coin. In the video I mention how unpopular coins of today can become the hot coins of tomorrow based on low final mintage.

Seth Riesling May 22, 2017 at 11:40 am

Mike Unser & CoinNews readers – FYI

My main source at the US Mint told me that they are announcing that the 2017-P Proof silver low relief medals with this African-American Lady Liberty design will be offered on June 14 (Flag Day). There is no mintage limit, no product limit, & no order household limit. You can buy as many as you want!
Put it on your calendar! They will probably be priced at $34.95 each like the 2016 silver medals, but that is not set in stone yet since they will have special 225th U.S. Mint packaging with a booklet, which the 2016 silver medals didn’t have.
And for those who are racist, I would like to recommend a book we were required to read in high school based on a true story of a white man who took medical treatments to turn his skin black so he could report on what it was really like to live in the USA as a black man – titled “Black Like Me” one of the best books about race in the USA.

Happy coin & medal collecting everyone!

-NumisDudeTx

Nels May 22, 2017 at 1:12 pm

CoinsA-Z that was an awesome video! I watched it on my tv and one thing I don’t understand is all the lint and debri that comes with it. For a high relief coin one would think the mint would do something about cleanliness! The coin looked a lot better then the last one did with no scratches on it. I can’t wait for the silver coins to come out and hope that everyone that wants one will get a chance to buy like maybe 1 to 5 per household instead of the big companies gobbling them up and reselling them for 10 times over the cost.

Hewhodontknow May 22, 2017 at 2:11 pm

Sturgeon, could’ve been more wrong if I would’ve voted for trump lol
A decision most people that did will eventually regret. The future will tell.
Nels, am always good to make people laugh.. Glad you have a sense of humor haha

Hewhodontknow May 22, 2017 at 2:18 pm

Political correctness is “FAKE NEWS! FAKE NEWS!”
It’s all a conspiracy from the Obama administration against the Us mint and collectors LMAO! Lol hahaha

michael angiolillo May 22, 2017 at 3:48 pm

Seth – Earlier in this comment section, you stated, “IMHO it has long-term potential for price increase in the 10-25 year investment period”

Unfortunately this is true of most coins one buys. And that’s why I have reconsidered my coin collecting hobby. Again, take the gold 25C and 50C from last year. They are now selling below purchase price. Many collectors say they dont worry about that and they just buy for the enjoyment. But that’s not me. I can’t spend $1300 on two coins and hope it breaks even in 7-10 years. The problem is liquidity. If you buy a $700 1924-D 25C MS 66 today, tomorrow best you can sell is 88-90% return.

Seth Riesling May 22, 2017 at 4:37 pm

Nels –

In your last comment posted at 1:12 pm you asked about the silver medals. I posted a comment on this at 11:40am. No household limit & no mintage limit.

-NumisDudeTx

Nels May 22, 2017 at 8:34 pm

Seth Riesling Thank you and Ampex also has them for 89.99. I don’t know much about the company’s but I’m sure what they have has been gone through and didn’t make the pf70. How can they have the 2017’s silvers out already or is that out of stock a lie? Just didn’t get them yet I bet seems the mint has it on June 14. Thanks again Seth.

Seth Riesling May 22, 2017 at 8:57 pm

Nels –

What APMEX is doing is a pre-order situation. They don’t get them early – no one does, but when they do get them, they pick the best to send to the grading services & sell off the ones with problems to customers who don’t understand the crooked process! It is always best to order directly from the Mint on issue day. Even though the Mint only offers a 7-day return period after you receive an order in the mail, at least you have s chance of getting a 70 grade. If you pre-order from a big boy dealer company, you will receive rejects for sure!

Happy collecting Nels!

-NumisDudeTx

Nels May 22, 2017 at 9:12 pm

Seth Riesling, yeah I figured as much. I hate buying off any of the company’s or eBay. I’m going to give it my best to be ready for this one once again. Last time I went on the site 10 min early and when the time to sell came up I had to sign back in again and by that time they were sold out. Like a min later. Not sure if it’s just my area or why. Maybe just too many ppl on at one time. Oh well. I’m sure mcm goes through there coins too so I know I’m not getting the best of coins. Hell don’t even know that buying from the mint! Quality control Where are you! Lol

vadim May 23, 2017 at 7:49 am

Patriot1-

Your explanation of why this coin isn’t selling is spot on. It’s the design. I didn’t buy this coin and didn’t buy last years gold liberty.

Danny Morano May 23, 2017 at 9:39 am

Enought already! There’s a hundred reasons or more this coin is not selling! But, let’s be honest here. Deep down inside, we all know the real reason. Agreed? Let’s talk about true Americans, Native Americans which have been sadly overlooked. They should have minted the Fractionals again last year, the coins 10th anniversary but didn’t. When and if are they going to do it again? This year? Next year? I have the first set thankfully.
I have been buying more Foreign coins why? They are more diverse, interesting, great designs and new minting techniques like Smart Minting, 5oz. UHR ect. I was lucky to be in the know and bought all the different Kruegerrands minted so far, down to the tiny Fiftyith oz coin. Word has it there could be more like a Platinum, a complete set of Fractionals and a large Gold UHR. The 1967 Kruegerrand was the first modern 1oz. Gold coin minted. The father of all of today’s modern 1oz Gold coins.
My Kruegerrands and I.O.M. Angels are the Jews of my collection along with the early U.S. Gold coins. For now, Foreign coins have my interest.
Enough of the bantering about the 2017 $100.00 coin. Let’s all hope the Mint has read the comments, sees the low sales and opens their eyes and learns from their mistakes and makes the next coin one everyone will be proud to own.
AND YES, I BOUGHT ONE AS I WILL WITH ALL THE SILVER ONES!
DRWHO7 A DISABLED VETERAN WHO SERVED HIS COUNTRY PROUDLY FOR 22YRS. Shame on some of you because you didn’t get it your way like at Burger King. There is a line I will draw though gentlemen. God Bless America.
The Doctor.

Danny Morano May 23, 2017 at 10:00 am

Please, Please Forgive me, I should have proof read better. I did not mean to say Jews. I guess all the bantering made me mess up. I sincerely apologize to the Jewish People and it was not something in my head. It was an honest mistake and I hope I am forgiven for it. Good Lord, what I thought was a comment that could quiet things down about this coin now because of one mistake, I meant to say Jewels and the 1967 Kruegerrand was the first modern Gold coin I bought.
I am no racist or anti semitic just a 61y.o. Veteran who has had over 50 operations and is scheduled for 3 more in the next few months. I am so sorry and feel so stupid. I think I should shoot myself. God and all forgive me for my stupid mistake.I now will be forever remembered for one mistake I made. Goodbye, I don’t deserve to be here.

Nels May 23, 2017 at 10:36 am

Danny Morano, very well said and thank you for your Service in the military! We all know where your heart is and so you made a mistake and corrected it… You are good to go and keep up the good job you have done.

Seth Riesling May 23, 2017 at 10:59 am

Danny Morano –

I will say Thank You again for your service to the USA as a Veteran! I am an Air Force/NSA brat of 21 years. You made a simple typo & you explained it to us as a Gentleman. That is commendable. Get your confidence back & make it a great coin collecting day Danny! May G-D bless you with all good things.

Sincerely,

-NumisDudeTx

Chas Barber May 23, 2017 at 3:19 pm

The perfect storm of the 2o17 AU HR> Priced WAY over spot; not a design that is embedded in memories or collecting lore, Mint is creating a new one, the follow-ups will be interesting. ALso, colector burnout & Po’d @ mint over all the debacles over the past few years, less collectors in general, if you buy this coin what can you sell it for NOW, spot….spot + likely but nowhere near spot +$400. I guess I am a traditionalist but can’t help but feel a gold 2017 Flowing Hair a la 17oo’s HR would have kicked it…we’lll see, the mint ignores alot of it’s potential, for e.g rehasing the MErc 10c for possible palladium bullion con…..

CoinsA-Z May 23, 2017 at 4:37 pm

It could be rightfully argued that the Centennial gold coin sales are also very poor. For gold coins that are considerably smaller and less expensive, their sales figures are anything but impressive….they arguably should have been sold out in 2016.

So it’s not just the 2017 Amer. Liberty gold coins that are seeing unimpressive sales.

There’s nothing wrong with being critical of individuals who express a racist attitude though of course maligning anyone as a racist (including using the guilt-by-association fallacy) without any evidence is a big problem.

Bottom line: buy the coins and medals that you like and don’t buy the coins and medals that you don’t.

Seth Riesling May 23, 2017 at 6:02 pm

Coins A-Z –

You are so right about the three different 2016 gold centennial coins based on classic Mint coins from 1916. There was so much excitement in the hobby about them & yet only the smallest, least expensive one sold out! I truly thought all three of the gold versions of 3 iconic Mint designs of the past would have sold out fairly quickly, especially since they were all one-off ounce or less of gold. Yet, they are still available from the Mint!
Also, your advice about collecting only what you like (& not only what you think will go up in value) is wise.

-NumisDudeTx

TMoney_Detroit May 23, 2017 at 6:47 pm

The fact is that the 2017 AM 225th Liberty 24k Gold 1OZ is the best selling gold proof coin in 2017 for the US Mint. It is out selling all Proof Gold coins including the cheaper coins like the 1/10 OZ. In fact the weekly numbers came out today and the USmint has now sold 21,275, up from 19,304 from last week, which is a +1,971 sales in 1 week. The point is this coin is very successful by the numbers. It can’t be the best seller for the USMint Gold Proof Coins in 2017 and be a failure. If that is the case then all the current US gold proof coins produced in 2017 are failures. Here is the link to the USMint weekly sales data:

https://www.usmint.gov/cumulative-sales-figures?years=2017&2017weeks=917&2016weeks=&2015weeks=

The USMint doesn’t sell that many 1oz gold proof coins per year. Last year (2016) the total for the year was only 23,593. Remember the 21,275 sales for 2017 AM 225th Liberty 24k Gold 1OZ is only a 6 week total, there is still 7 months left in the year.

SalivateMetal May 23, 2017 at 8:15 pm

Coins A-Z. Your analogy about the founding fathers being black and enslaved being white for a political motive is not an example of political correctness, that would be a misrepresentation of truth to fit a political agenda. Political Correctness can and does include lies and inaccuracies. but it often is used to describe some language, policies, or measures that are intended to avoid offense or disadvantage to members of particular groups in society and often in the extremes. The other side of the coin is that it overly inclusive. When you see TV commercials or shows showing every race and sexual orientation or Facebook having literally dozens of gender assignments from which to chose, that is political correctness. This particular series will contain a women representing Liberty as a different race AND culture bi-anually in infinitum. THAT, is political correctness defined to a tee. Pointing that out is not racist. With that being said, I have seen racist comments about this coin and series on my videos. The only thing more offensive than that is those that accuse those of us who are critical for the motive behind the series, which is political correctness. There is a huge distinction YUGE, as Donald Trump would say.

CoinsA-Z May 23, 2017 at 11:56 pm

Hi SalivateMetal,

I’m probably not going out on a limb to assume that you are one and the same as SalivateMetal on YouTube. If you are, I certainly feel like I should take this opportunity to let others here in this venue know (if they do not already) how informative your videos and video channel is. For those not familiar with that channel which covers topics related to coins, precious metals, and related topics, please consider taking a look and consider subscribing to SalivateMetal’s YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIzYEzXT34388IscvgVADDA

I respectfully disagree with you on a couple of your points.

First, I never suggested (even remotely) that claims of political correctness are synonymous to a racist attitude. It’s possible that I either didn’t make myself as clear as I’d thought I did or simply that you misconstrued what I’d written.

Merriam Webster has a good working definition of political correctness (in my view) in the context of our discussions here: “conforming to a belief that language and practices which could offend political sensibilities (as in matters of sex or race) should be eliminated”. If one understand the explicit context of the choice of women represented in the American Liberty HR coin series (which the gold 2017 is the first of) noted officially by the US Mint itself, then one could not possibly (in any rational way that I’m aware of) expect the exclusion of depictions of women of color and therefore there would be no need to be motivated by political correctness to have women of color depicted on the coins in this series. Ergo, the 2017 Amer. Liberty coin is definitely not politically correct. I strongly encourage anyone who still clings to the notion that this coin is politically correct, to read the U.S. Mint’s reasoning behind choosing the design(s) that they did….has nothing to do with political correctness since the intention from the start was for the theme of “remembering our past, embracing the future” by honoring a diversity of women in the U.S. some being women of color.

Additionally, political correctness can indeed come in the form of representing people in the way I described previously….literary devices can be used to convey notions of political correctness. Think of my example as political correctness in the form of an intentional “inversion” of pre-abolition class structure as a means of eliminating these implicit role biases as to not offend the political sensibilities of people who are very uncomfortable with race-based class structure….even if it existed only in the past. So depicting the “Founding Fathers” as black and chattel enslaved people as white could indeed be a form of political correctness if it’s made to make a point while not offending the political sensibilities of some people.

Anyway, some might argue (and I could agree to some extent) that I have belabored my point about there being no political correctness with the 2017 Amer. Liberty HR gold coin. So I will just leave it as such: if you believe, unlike me, that the design of this coin in question is a result of political correctness, then we will simply have to agree to strongly disagree.

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